Pakistan Army Aviation Corps - Updated

[Donatello]

since when???

It was mentioned in one of the the interviews, plus there were Cobras seen at PAC alongside JF-17.

I think it was posted in JF-17 thread......

 

[Inception-06]

since when???

I did also read it in a online internet source I will try to finde it.

 

[fatman17]

I did also read it in a online internet source I will try to finde it.

the cobras may be using kamra for re-fuelling and routine maintenance bcuz their main base Multan is away from the forward areas (FATA) - i doubt if there are overhaul facilities at Kamra. dhamial and multan - yes.

 

[Jango]

the cobras may be using kamra for re-fuelling and routine maintenance bcuz their main base Multan is away from the forward areas (FATA)

Ghazi airbase and Peshawar are used for that purpose. A detachment of the EME unit is stationed at Tarbela and Peshawar for that very purpose. Baki chota mota kaam Miranshah main hi ho jata hai.

- i doubt if there are overhaul facilities at Kamra. dhamial and multan - yes.

I posed the exact question.

Dhamial and Multan don't have any overhaul facilities either, Multan has a EME unit stationed there (note that overhaul and maintenance are to different things). Dhamial none.

 

[fatman17]

Helicopters
Z-20

A new "general purpose helicopter" in 10t class has been under development at 602/Harbin/Changhe since late 90s. It was speculated to be based on American S-70C currently still in service with PLA but also shares some common features with Z-10, such as a five-blade main rotor and twin Canadian PT6C-76C engines. However the project was delayed by the development of high priority Z-10 attack helicopter. Similar to Z-10, the helicopter also suffered several setbacks due to certain technical/political obstacles, such as obtaining a suitable engine as well as developing a new transmission system (with Eurocopter assistance). The project (now designated as Z-20) finally gained full speed after Z-10 was put into production in 2010. The finalized design might borrow certain features from European NH-90 and be powered by more powerful WZ-6C turboshaft engines (1,800kw). The first prototype was rumored to have rolled down the assembly line in December 2012. First flight is expected in late 2013. Z-20 is projected to replace eventually the large number of Russian Mi-17 series in service with the Army Aviation. Recent images (August 2013) suggested a what could be a Z-20 frame was being transported for static tests. The latest image suggested that the Z-20 prototype #20001 made its first flight at the HAIG airfield on December 23, 2013, almost 30 years since China acquired S-70C.
- Last updated 12/24/13

another option for the PAA for medium-lift helos!

Ghazi airbase and Peshawar are used for that purpose. A detachment of the EME unit is stationed at Tarbela and Peshawar for that very purpose. Baki chota mota kaam Miranshah main hi ho jata hai.



I posed the exact question.

Dhamial and Multan don't have any overhaul facilities either, Multan has a EME unit stationed there (note that overhaul and maintenance are to different things). Dhamial none.

overhaul in PAA parlance is engine overhaul. a full overhaul, sort of like a MLU are conducted overseas. Romania for the Pumas, Czeck republic for the Mi-17's etc. certainly engine overhaul and routine maintenance are conducted by EME at multan and dhamial.

 

[Jango]

overhaul in PAA parlance is engine overhaul. a full overhaul, sort of like a MLU are conducted overseas. Romania for the Pumas, Czeck republic for the Mi-17's etc. certainly engine overhaul and routine maintenance are conducted by EME at multan and dhamial.

Actually Pakistan does have the capability to overhaul an entire Mi-17 except the engines and transmission. The helos are sent abroad due to capacity issues.

 

[Inception-06]

Actually Pakistan does have the capability to overhaul an entire Mi-17 except the engines and transmission. The helos are sent abroad due to capacity issues.

The overhaul facility is in Karachi right ?

 

[Khaqan Humayun]

what about euro copter tiger..... there were news that Pakistan is getting 18 of them

None of them were delivered to Pakistan we can not trust NATO U.S.A and U.K
we must go for T129 and for Chinese Z19 Attack helicopter.

 

[Jango]

The overhaul facility is in Karachi right ?

Yes...at Faisal.

 

[Donatello]

Actually Pakistan does have the capability to overhaul an entire Mi-17 except the engines and transmission. The helos are sent abroad due to capacity issues.

It would make sense for Pakistan to develop full in house capability to overhaul/repair these helos, since so many of them are in service. Why not establish a rebuild factory, like we did for F-6s, F-7 and Mirage at PAC?

One of those can be retooled, as Mirage and F-7 are both due for retirement.

 

[truthseeker2010]

There have been lot of construction activity going on at Faisal Base, if one come across shahrah-e-faisal, one can see lot of containers and large superstructure being erected, any ideas whats coming, is it for AF or army?

 

[nomi007]

Ghazi Aviation Base

16th Combat Aviation Brigade soldiers and Pakistan Army soldiers pose for a
group photo before the Task Force Denali closing ceremony in Khyber -
Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, Dec. 2. The event marked the end of the five-month
flood-relief mission out of Ghazi Aviation Base

 

[fatman17]

Did China Just Clone a Black Hawk Helicopter?
China conducted the first flight test of its new Z-20, which has a similar exterior to the US-made Black Hawk.

By Zachary Keck for The Diplomat
December 26, 2013

China conducted the first flight test of a new helicopter that is widely seen as being modeled off the U.S.-made Sikorsky UH-60, which is usually called “Black Hawk.”
The Global Times, citing pictures from an online Chinese military forum, reported that the Z-20 medium-lift utility helicopter made its first flight in northeast China on Monday. The report said that the supposedly homemade design filled the People Liberation Army’s need for a medium utility helicopter. It added that the helicopter has a capacity of 10 tons and is similar in appearance to the U.S.-made Black Hawk helicopter.
In the 1980s, China purchased 24 S-70C-2s, a supposed civilian variant of the Black Hawk that had impressed Chinese leaders due to its ability to fly at high altitudes. However, it is widely believed that the 24 S-70 C-2s are operated by the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF). Moreover, Pakistan’s intelligence service gave Chinese engineers access to one of the highly-modified Black Hawks that was used by U.S. Marines in the operation that killed al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in 2011. The helicopter that Chinese engineers viewed and took samples from crashed during the course of the operation. Although the U.S. Marines detonated the downed helicopter the tail of it survived the explosion.
Thus, it seems quite possible that this latest “indigenous” creation from China was heavily inspired by foreign designs. There would be extensive precedent for this. Besides China’s general history of cloning foreign defense technology, last year it unveiled a new helicopter, the Z-10/WZ-10 attack helicopter, which it claimed was designed and built indigenously. Earlier this year, however, Sergei Mikheyev, General Designer of the Kamov Design Bureau, a Russian helicopter designer, revealed that his company had secretly provided China with the initial designs of the Z-10/WZ-10 in the mid-1990s. Some have speculated that China has also cloned Boeing’s AH-64D Apache.
Still, The Aviationist points out that there are some notable differences between America’s Black Hawk and the Z-20. Specifically, the Z-20 has a 5-blade rotor compared to the 4-blade rotor on the Black Hawk, a larger cabin and a different landing gear and tail. Based on the location of the flight test, Aviation Week suspects that it was built by Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation (HAMC).
As for usage, South China Morning Post quotes a Chinese military analyst as saying the Z-20 “fills a blank in the Chinese military arsenal.” Another military commentator who appeared on Chinese state TV reportedly said that the Z-20 should be categorized as something between agile attack helicopters and heavy transportation helicopters. SCMP views the helicopter as extremely versatile and able to perform a variety of missions including assault, transportation, electronic warfare and special operations. The Hong Kong-based newspaper also said Chinese media reports had speculated that it may be flown off certain Chinese ships, including the country’s only aircraft carrier. Another potential usage would be to use the Z-20 to deploy PLA troops to the mountainous, resistive region of Tibet.
The Aviationist predicts the Z-20 will eventually replace the PLA’s Mi-17 and Mi-171 helos.

 

[Khaqan Humayun]

Did China Just Clone a Black Hawk Helicopter?
China conducted the first flight test of its new Z-20, which has a similar exterior to the US-made Black Hawk.

By Zachary Keck for The Diplomat
December 26, 2013

China conducted the first flight test of a new helicopter that is widely seen as being modeled off the U.S.-made Sikorsky UH-60, which is usually called “Black Hawk.”
The Global Times, citing pictures from an online Chinese military forum, reported that the Z-20 medium-lift utility helicopter made its first flight in northeast China on Monday. The report said that the supposedly homemade design filled the People Liberation Army’s need for a medium utility helicopter. It added that the helicopter has a capacity of 10 tons and is similar in appearance to the U.S.-made Black Hawk helicopter.
In the 1980s, China purchased 24 S-70C-2s, a supposed civilian variant of the Black Hawk that had impressed Chinese leaders due to its ability to fly at high altitudes. However, it is widely believed that the 24 S-70 C-2s are operated by the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF). Moreover, Pakistan’s intelligence service gave Chinese engineers access to one of the highly-modified Black Hawks that was used by U.S. Marines in the operation that killed al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in 2011. The helicopter that Chinese engineers viewed and took samples from crashed during the course of the operation. Although the U.S. Marines detonated the downed helicopter the tail of it survived the explosion.
Thus, it seems quite possible that this latest “indigenous” creation from China was heavily inspired by foreign designs. There would be extensive precedent for this. Besides China’s general history of cloning foreign defense technology, last year it unveiled a new helicopter, the Z-10/WZ-10 attack helicopter, which it claimed was designed and built indigenously. Earlier this year, however, Sergei Mikheyev, General Designer of the Kamov Design Bureau, a Russian helicopter designer, revealed that his company had secretly provided China with the initial designs of the Z-10/WZ-10 in the mid-1990s. Some have speculated that China has also cloned Boeing’s AH-64D Apache.
Still, The Aviationist points out that there are some notable differences between America’s Black Hawk and the Z-20. Specifically, the Z-20 has a 5-blade rotor compared to the 4-blade rotor on the Black Hawk, a larger cabin and a different landing gear and tail. Based on the location of the flight test, Aviation Week suspects that it was built by Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation (HAMC).
As for usage, South China Morning Post quotes a Chinese military analyst as saying the Z-20 “fills a blank in the Chinese military arsenal.” Another military commentator who appeared on Chinese state TV reportedly said that the Z-20 should be categorized as something between agile attack helicopters and heavy transportation helicopters. SCMP views the helicopter as extremely versatile and able to perform a variety of missions including assault, transportation, electronic warfare and special operations. The Hong Kong-based newspaper also said Chinese media reports had speculated that it may be flown off certain Chinese ships, including the country’s only aircraft carrier. Another potential usage would be to use the Z-20 to deploy PLA troops to the mountainous, resistive region of Tibet.
The Aviationist predicts the Z-20 will eventually replace the PLA’s Mi-17 and Mi-171 helos.

China has around 50 Black Hawk Helicopter open Market has played its role Pakistan also purchase many thing through friends we have many Israeli equipment in 1980 we got our tanks modify from Israel through America. I'm just explaining how 3rd party play role in open market.

 

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