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Pakistan approves massive tax exemptions for Gwadar port operators

So if there is no tax, how will Pakistan make any money out of all the trade that is going happen through CPEC

The tax exemptions are towards anything made or shipped into Gwadar's port & free trade zone by any company.

Anything shipped into Gwadar from the rest of Pakistan will be taxed. And I suspect anything shipped out of Gwadar.

Please read the article thoroughly.

The article does a bad job, but there are other ways revenues can be collected by the State. Rent/ hotel tax, garbage collection tax, business registration tax, income tax from employees, fines, sales tax (food/ goods/ services) Visa fees, medical fees, vehicle registration, tolls.
 
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The tax exemptions are towards anything made or shipped into Gwadar's port & free trade zone by any company.

Anything shipped into Gwadar from the rest of Pakistan will be taxed. And I suspect anything shipped out of Gwadar.

Please read the article thoroughly.

The article does a bad job, but there are other ways revenues can be collected by the State. Rent/ hotel tax, garbage collection tax, business registration tax, income tax from employees, fines, sales tax (food/ goods/ services) Visa fees, medical fees, vehicle registration, tolls.


Thank you for clarifying mate, would you also have any information as to what are the projected transit fees that Pakistan is going to get, I have heard some people claim about $20Billion and some minister in GB claiming about $70 Billion, but not sure where they picked those numbers from
 
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Thank you for clarifying mate, would you also have any information as to what are the projected transit fees that Pakistan is going to get, I have heard some people claim about $20Billion and some minister in GB claiming about $70 Billion, but not sure where they picked those numbers from

$20 to 70 billion? Bullsh!t.

The real transit fees Pakistan will generate is actually $100 billion a year. Want to know where I got that figure from? I made it up.

The Port of Singapore is the 2nd busiest port in the world, only generates 5% of it's GDP which comes out to $15 billion of it's $305 Billion GDP. And that is thanks to trade agreements.
http://www.iesingapore.gov.sg/Trade...greements/free-trade-agreements/Singapore-FTA

Suez canal contriubtes about $5-7 billion.

Panama Canal is $2 billion.


CPEC is just China offering Pakistan a loan.
 
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$20 to 70 billion? Bullsh!t.

The real transit fees Pakistan will generate is actually $100 billion a year. Want to know where I got that figure from? I made it up.

The Port of Singapore is the 2nd busiest port in the world, only generates 5% of it's GDP which comes out to $15 billion of it's $305 Billion GDP. And that is thanks to trade agreements.
http://www.iesingapore.gov.sg/Trade...greements/free-trade-agreements/Singapore-FTA

Suez canal contriubtes about $5-7 billion.

Panama Canal is $2 billion.

CPEC is just China offering Pakistan a loan.


Do you have any "REAL" experience at this scale with Global Programs, Economic Growth and Strategy? You post tells me you don't have any. Then why try to sound like a PHD in Economic Strategy when there are no credentials? Allow someone with experience to explain vs. making judgements based on limited knowledge.

Suez Canal, Panama Canal and Port of Singapore are wrong comparisons. For example, the first two are "water ways", and the third one's a port. Their contribution to any nation's GDP can't equate to their entire economy as these are individual projects by themselves and thus the return, etc is also based on one project and its completion.

The CPEC on the other hand, isn't "A" project. I've tried to explain this before. Pakistanis and the Chinese, both, use this term wrong. The CPEC is a Program (meaning its a Portfolio of many projects). Twp of the many CPEC projects include building a Water Way like the Port of Singapore and the Suez Canal. Then, there is another phase of Road network connectivity through different countries, then another phase to bring businesses like manufacturing, mining electronics, distribution to this area, for faster shipping (through land and sea) to ME and Russian states, etc. So now imagine, many projects producing their respective outcome.......it would be MUCH larger than a Suez Canal or a Panama Canal or a Singapore Port. Not to mention, take a look at how much consumers port of Singapore serves? Through Gawader, Pakistan is about to serve a similar sized population of Western China, without having to care for that population as its citizens (meaning no worry of providing schools, benefits, jobs, homes, etc, etc). So supporting a 200-300 million people outside of Pakistan, in revenue means many more billions of dollars. MUCH larger scale operation than the port of Singapore, or Dubai, or the Suez Canal do. I don't think you can comprehend the magnitude I am talking about here to be frank.

America's growth in the Mid-West (From Ohio to Nevada) was once attributed to just ONE network of highways called I-70 (and associated smaller I-40), this highway goes through the Center of the US and connects the East Coast vs. the West. Now apply the same logic on the CPEC, it connect multiple countries and combined population of Pakistan, Western China and some Central Russian states of over 450 Million people (close to half a billion people would get benefit off of it). Can you imagine the magnitude of my explanation??

Lastly, wherever this route goes from, it would generate hundreds of new Cities, Towns, Thousands of new Real Estate Communities with Millions of new homes. The land around this entire route till China will get expensive and people will get rich through it, they 0will buy new homes, cars, will build businesses, will establishes better schools, universities, hospitals, etc, etc, more jobs will be created to support all these activities and more income will come into the system, resulting in more Taxes. Hundreds of billions of dollars is not that far. Take a look at your stock market, it nearly doubled up in the past 3 months due to Pakistani EFT's getting the official status of "Emerging Market Securities", resulting in massive foreign investment as the market is now available to invest into from US and other countries.

All these are the direct effect of this economic revival program. The benefits will transform the entire Pakistan. The port of Dubai, Singapore, or the Suez Canal (examples you gave), would look like PEANUTS in-front of the revenue this massive program will generate.

Here, some Western references for you to read up on:

http://blogs.wsj.com/frontiers/2015/06/10/pakistan-in-line-for-upgrade-to-emerging-market-status/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...h-spurs-pakistan-s-biggest-ipo-in-eight-years


Forbes report: ‘Pakistan a potential global turnaround story’
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Pakistan has the potential to be a global turnaround story with its improving security dynamics and political stability, Forbes magazine said.


An article titled ‘Pakistan: The Next Colombia Success Story?’ by Daniel Runde published in the American business magazine said PM Nawaz Sharif is governing with a competent cabinet.

It added that he was working with a majority coalition and in tandem with the military to deliver peace and security.

The writer compared Pakistan with Colombia of late 1990s but said Colombia today has a free trade agreement with the USA and a stable GDP growth rate.

The security situation has also vastly improved. “Similarly, Western headlines on Pakistan today gloss over the progress on the security front, the increased political stability, and incremental progress on the economic front,” he said.

Daniel said the US policymakers and business leaders need to look at Pakistan beyond the security lens. He said getting American relationship right with Pakistan will require deeper thinking and action on issues around trade and investment, education, and broader economic development.

On action against the Taliban, he said Pakistan’s improving security dynamic is the first change to note.
 
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielr...the-next-colombia-success-story/#6c49e2f23b60

Pakistan: The Next Colombia Success Story?

Daniel Runde

CONTRIBUTOR

I cover the opportunities for the US coming from the developing world.

Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.


Pakistan has the potential to be a global turnaround story. I recently spent time in-country listening to a wide range of perspectives and I am convinced that U.S. policymakers and business leaders need to look at Pakistan beyond the security lens. Getting our relationship right will require deeper thinking and action on issues around trade and investment, education, and broader economic development. The United States ought to be Pakistan’s preferred partner given its 70-year relationship. But in order to participate in the upside of the Pakistan story, the United States will need to view Pakistan not as a problem to be solved but as a potential partner. There are several changes that suggest the United States should soon act on this opportunity.

The Pakistan of today is similar to that of Colombia in thelate 1990s. Back then, words like “drugs, gangs, and failed state”were freely associated with the Andean country. Today, Colombia has a free trade agreement with the United States, a stable 3.5 percent annual GDP growth, and security is vastly improved. Similarly, Western headlines on Pakistan today gloss over the progress on the security front, the increased political stability, and incremental progress on the economic front. In spite of this potential for Pakistan, it continues to suffer from a terrible country brand that has not caught up with realities on the ground.

Action Against the Taliban

Pakistan’s improving security dynamic is the first change to note. It is hard to understate the before-and-after effects of the Taliban’s horrendous December 2014 attack on a military-owned elementary school in Peshawar that killed 145 people, including 132 schoolchildren aged eight to eighteen. Almost immediately after the attack, the military responded in force by taking out 157 terrorists via air strikes and ground operations in the North Waziristan and Khyber tribal areas adjacent to Peshawar.

What has not sunk into international perceptions about the country is the tangible consensus among government, military, and Pakistani citizens against violent terrorists including the Pakistani Taliban and the alphabet soup of other terrorist groups in and around the country. Pakistan will continue to experience attacks by fringe groups, but policymakers and investors need to stop operating as if the Pakistani Taliban is at Islamabad’s doorstep.

Political Stability

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is governing with a competent cabinet, a majority coalition, and is working in tandem with the military to deliver peace and security. Sharif was elected in Pakistan’s transition of power between democratically elected governments in April 2013 and so far, he has demonstrated enough of a commitment to democracy.

For much of last year, Sharif exercised restraint against an active opposition that led a crippling 162-day sit-inin front of the National Assembly to contest the 2013 election results. Instead of opting for an aggressive approach, Sharif wiselydeferredto an independent election mission to verify the results, which recently ruled in favor of his party. The military, at the request of the Prime Minister, encouraged the crowds to disperse peacefully. The military’s decision not to use force against protesters – or the sitting prime minister – suggests that Pakistan could be on its way to further consolidating its fragile democracy.

Better Luck Around the Corridor

Chinese investment is another reason why the United States should reassess its Pakistan calculus. Since Xi Jinping first announced the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) in 2014, the project has quickly become the centerpiece of diplomatic relations between the two countries. CPEC will include highways, railways, and oil and gas pipelines – all constructed via Chinese companies.

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The CPEC project aims to connect China and Pakistan, with an outlet to Pakistan’s Gwadar Port on the Arabian Sea.

Even the possibility of the scheme’s partial achievement has injected optimism in a country starved for infrastructure and energy investment. The deal has also greatly incentivized the government to clamp down on terrorist groups. Economic success is by no means guaranteed especially given China’s checkered track record of investing in infrastructure projects abroad. Still, China’s bet on Pakistan could overshadow US contributions unless we rethink our mix of engagement.

Similar to its approach in Kazakhstan, China is interested in leveraging Pakistan – in the words of Dan Twining– as a “launching pad” for greater connectivity with energy producers in the Gulf and Middle East, as well as markets in the West. The good news is that Pakistani businesses still prefer the allure of technology transfer and innovation offered by U.S. companies. But make no mistake: for Pakistanis, Chinese investment is better than no investment.
 
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Do you know who the author is? :rofl:. He's writing this from an American perspective. I dislike China just as much as he does. But, in the mix of our dislike for the Chinese government, it doesn't mean we kill objectivity towards Pakistan and her growth.

I've posted a huge list of benefits that have already started to come to Pakistan. Care to debate with facts and tell me what out of my details isn't / won't happen or isn't true? I think that would be much more productive and a fact-based discussion. I've never seen facts from you but again, hoping for the best, planning for the worst as always :lol::enjoy:
 
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https://www.csis.org/people/daniel-f-runde

Daniel F. Runde
William A. Schreyer Chair and Director, Project on Prosperity and Development
EXPERTISE: Defense and Security, Economics, Governance and Rule of Law, International Development, Private Sector Development, US Development Policy
ASSOCIATED PROGRAMS: Project on Prosperity and Development, Project on U.S. Leadership in Development, Chevron Forum on Development, Global Development Forum, Podcasts: Development Dialogues, Research Agenda & Publications,USAID at 50
Daniel F. Runde is director of the Project on Prosperity and Development and holds the William A. Schreyer Chair in Global Analysis at CSIS. His work centers on leveraging American soft power instruments and the central roles of the private sector and good governance in creating a more free and prosperous world. Previously, he led the Foundations Unit for the Department of Partnerships & Advisory Service Operations at the International Finance Corporation. His work facilitated and supported over $20 million in new funding through partnerships with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, Kauffman Foundation, and Visa International, among other global private and corporate foundations.

Earlier, Mr. Runde was director of the Office of Global Development Alliances at the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID). He led the initiative by providing training, networks, staff, funds, and advice to establish and strengthen alliances, while personally consulting to 15 USAID missions in Latin America, the Middle East, and Africa. His efforts leveraged $4.8 billion through 100 direct alliances and 300 others through training and technical assistance. Mr. Runde began his career in financial services at Alex. Brown & Sons, Inc., in Baltimore and worked for both CitiBank and BankBoston in Buenos Aires, Argentina. He received an M.P.P. from the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University and holds a B.A., cum laude, from Dartmouth College.

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Edit: There is a thing called damnation by faint praise, and that article is nothing more than that, actually. :)
 
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Its pretty clear you didn't understand the sarcasm in my post. I know who he is (probably at a personal level). Which is why I asked you if you knew who he is, because if you read his credentials (coming from a Defense and Security background), by default, he'll put China in a different light, just like I would. My next point was, because of my or his bias, why should we underplay, hide or misinterpret the benefits of this entire program to Pakistan? But it was pretty clear that you missed my post all together. I and Dan have both met many times at the Carnegie Endowment and at other places frequently........(I didn't need his google'd credentials)

Here, some more "proofs" for negative people. Always remember, PEOPLE can be right or wrong, Markets and Progress is never wrong. It SHOWS!! Read up and enjoy!!

http://blogs.wsj.com/frontiers/2015/04/22/pakistan-etf-opens-market-to-individual-investors/

http://blogs.wsj.com/frontiers/2015...pakistans-first-real-estate-investment-trust/

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21650175-lower-oil-prices-prove-be-boon-fuel-injection
 
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CPEC on the other hand, isn't "A" project. I've tried to explain this before. Pakistanis and the Chinese, both, use this term wrong. The CPEC is a Program (meaning its a Portfolio of many projects).
Agreed.

this route goes from, it would generate hundreds of new Cities, Towns, Thousands of new Real Estate Communities with Millions of new homes
Agreed. It is akin to opening of the Wild West with coming of railways. Towns, cities, industries sprouted over the landscape.

Western China and some Central Russian states of over 450 Million people
Disagree. Factually incorrect. The total population of Western China (Xinjiang Province) is below 30 million. The capital Urumqi is 1,700 miles from the Chinese ports on the Yellow Sea whereas Gwadar is over 1,900 miles from Gwadar on the Arabian Sea. I have marked Xijiang Province in yellow and line of X's which is about half distance between both Arabian Sea/Yellow sea.

Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang

As you can see on Xinjiang Province falls within the Gwadar Hinterland. Beyond that it is cheaper to ship from Chinese ports on the Pacific seaboard. This is not to suggest there is no potential. There is massive scope but let's try not to get carried away please. The biggest and profound effect of CPEC will be the exposure of closed Pakistani market/society to the winds of change from China. This time they (Pakistani) will not have the excuse of the "evil West". Pakistan will be forced to drag itself into the 21st Century world.




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Disagree. Factually incorrect. The total population of Western China (Xinjiang Province) is below 30 million. The capital Urumqi is 1,700 miles from the Chinese ports on the Yellow Sea whereas Gwadar is over 1,900 miles from Gwadar on the Arabian Sea. I have marked Xijiang Province in yellow and line of X's which is about half distance between both Arabian Sea/Yellow sea.

As you can see on Xinjiang Province falls within the Gwadar Hinterland. Beyond that it is cheaper to ship from Chinese ports on the Pacific seaboard. This is not to suggest there is no potential. There is massive scope but let's try not to get carried away please. The biggest and profound effect of CPEC will be the exposure of closed Pakistani market/society to the winds of change from China. This time they (Pakistani) will not have the excuse of the "evil West". Pakistan will be forced to drag itself into the 21st Century world.



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1) Here are the demographics of the Western China!!!! No state / province in China has 30 million people :rofl:. They are crowded like hell but here, read up and next time, write facts. Not just statements relevant to your political point scoring sadly.

2) See the map below. You picked the farthest right corner of a massive region and left everything out. But touched one area to make the point that the "distance is lesser than the Chinese oceans". If you go over the remainder of the land mass, that is what's going to get served by the CPEC. Not to mention moving industry from China to Pakistan.

3) Do me a favor, I am not here for political reasons. If you don't have experience, access to details, or understanding of what the CPEC is, you shouldn't write about it. This is a complex topic and requires people who deal with economies, etc. I don't have the time to support crazy emotional posts because they don't click with someone's political affiliations.

You guys are still stuck in cheap negative politics, while India's taken over the globe. Sad to see people on here playing "groups" vs. a nation, and lying and hiding their appreciating for real things taking place that have turned Pakistan around.

Western Chinese Administrative divisions
GB[1] ISO №[2] Province Chinese Name Capital Population Density Area Abbreviation/Symbol
CQ 50 Chongqing Municipality 重庆市
Chóngqìng Shì Chongqing 28,846,170 350.50 82,300 渝

SC 51 Sichuan Province 四川省
Sìchuān Shěng Chengdu 80,418,200 165.81 485,000 川(蜀)
Chuān (Shǔ)
GZ 52 Guizhou Province 贵州省
Gùizhōu Shěng Guiyang 34,746,468 197.42 176,000 贵(黔)
Guì (Qián)
YN 53 Yunnan Province 云南省
Yúnnán Shěng Kunming 45,966,239 116.66 394,000 云(滇)
Yún (Diān)
XZ 54 Tibet Autonomous Region
Xizang Autonomous Region
西藏自治区
Xīzàng Zìzhìqū Lhasa 3,002,166 2.44 1,228,400 藏
Zàng
SN 61 Shaanxi Province 陕西省
Shǎnxī Shěng Xi'an 37,327,378 181.55 205,600 陕(秦)
Shǎn (Qín)
GS 62 Gansu Province 甘肃省
Gānsù Shěng Lanzhou 25,575,254 56.29 454,300 甘(陇)
Gān (Lǒng)
QH 63 Qinghai Province 青海省
Qīnghǎi Shěng Xining 5,626,722 7.80 721,200 青
Qīng
NX 64 Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region 宁夏回族自治区
Níngxià Huízú Zìzhìqū Yinchuan 6,301,350 94.89 66,400 宁
Níng
XJ 65 Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 新疆维吾尔自治区
Xīnjiāng Wéiwú'ěr Zìzhìqū Ürümqi 21,813,334 13.13 1,660,400 新
Xīn


On the map below, see my circle and comments inside the map in Black and Blue!!

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The biggest and profound effect of CPEC will be the exposure of closed Pakistani market/society to the winds of change from China. This time they (Pakistani) will not have the excuse of the "evil West". Pakistan will be forced to drag itself into the 21st Century world.

Now that is an interesting claim. 97% of Chinese think religion has no place in matters of the state, while 97% of Pakistanis believe exactly the opposite. An irresistible force meeting an immovable object?
 
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@Viper0011. For gawd's sake hold old are you? Your behaving like a spotted teenager. This subject is beyond Pakistan intra party politics. So leave that. Back to the subject understand this well. Only, I repeat only Xinjiang/Tibet provinces fall within the Gwadar hinterland as defined by, miles from the nearest seaboard.

All the rest of the provinces you have mentioned are closer to the Chinese Pacific seaboard. Here look.

Xinjiang - Closer to Gwadar, Arabian Sea. Population 21 million

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Tibet - Closer to Gwadar, Arabian Sea. Although Eastern Tibet is closer to Bay of Bengal. Pop., 3 million.

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All the provinces you listed below are closer to Chinese Pacific seaboard. Please ask the Chinese members who will tell you all these provinces are linked with well developed transport systems to the Chinese Pacific seaboard port cities like Hong Kong or Shangha etc.

Sichuan Province. Look where it is?

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Shaanxi Province. Look where it is?

1024px-Shaanxi_in_China_%28%2Ball_claims_hatched%29.svg.png



Yunan Province? For Pete's sake look where that is? Hong Kong is only few hundred miles east from there?


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I end this again by stressing that only Xinjiang Province falls within the hinterland of Gwadar. Rest of Chinese provinces are actually closer to the Pacific seaboard. Ask the Chinese members here.

@AndrewJin @Chinese-Dragon

An irresistible force meeting an immovable object?
Yes. That is what excites me most. Not so much the physical infrastructure but the monumental clash between two opposite tectonic plates. Wow. Think. The grinding, shearing, colliding, ripping, tearing, slashing, gouging, earthquake that will take place as two opposing mindsets collide. And you know Chinese don't budge a inch. Secularism married to turbocharged captalism versus retardness aping mullahism.

Over time this will bring change to Pakistan. I am going to look at this tommorow when I get the time. Your input as the devil's advocate will be appreciated. I will explain why I think CPEC will over generation or two bring change to Pakistani (mindset) society. That will be the thing that will bring profound change over the long term.

As American you will know about Commodore Perry and his opening up of Japan with gunboat diplomacy? Well CPEC will have same effect over 50 year period. A sea change in way Pakistani society thinks will take place.
 
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Gwadar Port is a game changer for Pakistan's economy which is being the focal point of Pak-Chinese CPEC , while India is promoting Chabahar Port which will compete directly with Gwadar for doing business with many Middle Asian Countries.

Since Pakistan is actively promoting the Special Economic Zone in Gwadar and giving multiple tax incentives for investing in that Zone therefore it is natural for Indians to expect Iran to dole out at least some concessions for Chabahar to make it attractive for foreign investors.

Do you know what is CPEC corridor project description?
 
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@Viper0011. For gawd's sake hold old are you? Your behaving like a spotted teenager. This subject is beyond Pakistan intra party politics. So leave that. Back to the subject understand this well. Only, I repeat only Xinjiang/Tibet provinces fall within the Gwadar hinterland as defined by, miles from the nearest seaboard.

All the rest of the provinces you have mentioned are closer to the Chinese Pacific seaboard. Here look.

Xinjiang - Closer to Gwadar, Arabian Sea. Population 21 million

First of all.......do you even know the full scope of this entire thing? If you do, without any further discussion, PLEASE post it. Your posts have shown me clear lack of understanding of what this thing is.......... I maintain my position. This entire program will sever over 350-400 million people in multiple countries. How I know that? Because I've read, discussed and advised people from the WB and ADB on it.

I've told you before, I don't have time to waste on illogical posts, emotional issues or simply on people who want to close their eyes when they see a power plant, a Hydro dam, a bridge or anything showing progress, hoping closed eyes will make the progress go away. So please write the entire scope and then I'll answer. Otherwise, I've posted the details before and I'll stick to my facts per documents I've read and analyzed multiple times. Thank you.
 
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Why are you wasting time on a false flag troll?
@Viper0011. For gawd's sake hold old are you? Your behaving like a spotted teenager. This subject is beyond Pakistan intra party politics. So leave that. Back to the subject understand this well. Only, I repeat only Xinjiang/Tibet provinces fall within the Gwadar hinterland as defined by, miles from the nearest seaboard.

All the rest of the provinces you have mentioned are closer to the Chinese Pacific seaboard. Here look.

Xinjiang - Closer to Gwadar, Arabian Sea. Population 21 million

1024px-Xinjiang_in_China_%28de-facto%29.svg.png



Tibet - Closer to Gwadar, Arabian Sea. Although Eastern Tibet is closer to Bay of Bengal. Pop., 3 million.

1024px-Tibet_in_China_%28undisputed_%2B_other_de-facto_hatched%29_%28%2Ball_claims_hatched%29.svg.png



************************************************* XXXXXXX *****************************************************

All the provinces you listed below are closer to Chinese Pacific seaboard. Please ask the Chinese members who will tell you all these provinces are linked with well developed transport systems to the Chinese Pacific seaboard port cities like Hong Kong or Shangha etc.

Sichuan Province. Look where it is?

1024px-Sichuan_in_China_%28%2Ball_claims_hatched%29.svg.png



Shaanxi Province. Look where it is?

1024px-Shaanxi_in_China_%28%2Ball_claims_hatched%29.svg.png



Yunan Province? For Pete's sake look where that is? Hong Kong is only few hundred miles east from there?


1024px-Yunnan_in_China_%28%2Ball_claims_hatched%29.svg.png



I end this again by stressing that only Xinjiang Province falls within the hinterland of Gwadar. Rest of Chinese provinces are actually closer to the Pacific seaboard. Ask the Chinese members here.

@AndrewJin @Chinese-Dragon


Yes. That is what excites me most. Not so much the physical infrastructure but the monumental clash between two opposite tectonic plates. Wow. Think. The grinding, shearing, colliding, ripping, tearing, slashing, gouging, earthquake that will take place as two opposing mindsets collide. And you know Chinese don't budge a inch. Secularism married to turbocharged captalism versus retardness aping mullahism.

Over time this will bring change to Pakistan. I am going to look at this tommorow when I get the time. Your input as the devil's advocate will be appreciated. I will explain why I think CPEC will over generation or two bring change to Pakistani (mindset) society. That will be the thing that will bring profound change over the long term.

As American you will know about Commodore Perry and his opening up of Japan with gunboat diplomacy? Well CPEC will have same effect over 50 year period. A sea change in way Pakistani society thinks will take place.
 
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