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Pakistan accuses New Delhi of human rights abuses after Security Council meeting, India says Kashmir 'internal matter'.

United Nations - Envoys from nuclear-armed neighbours India and Pakistan have traded barbs outside the United Nations Security Council chamber, after members met behind closed doors for rare talks on the disputed region of Kashmir.

The meeting on Friday came as Indian-administered Kashmir remained under a military lockdown for a 12th straight day following the highly controversial decision by the Hindu nationalist government in New Delhi to revoke the special statusaccorded to the Muslim-majority state in India's constitution.

Council members met for 90 minutes amid heightened tensions in the contested Himalayan region, which has long been a flashpoint between India and Pakistan - the two countries, which both claim Kashmir in full but rule it in part, have fought two of their three wars over the disputed territory. India is also fighting a three-decade rebellion in Jammu and Kashmir that has claimed tens of thousands of lives.

Pakistan requested the Security Council meeting in a letter on August 13 and it was subsequently called for by permanent member China.

The 15-nation body heard briefings from Oscar Fernandez-Taranco, the UN's assistant secretary-general for peacebuilding support, and Carlos Humberto Loitey, the UN military adviser for peacekeeping operations.

Following the session, Maleeha Lodhi, Pakistan's ambassador to the UN, said the council's first meeting on Kashmir in more than 50 years was only a "first step" that Islamabad would take in support of the people of Kashmir.

"This meeting nullifies India's claim that Jammu and Kashmir is an internal matter for India. Today, the whole world is discussing the occupied state and the situation there," she told reporters.

"The people of Jammu and Kashmir may be locked up, their voices may not be heard in their own homes and their own land, but their voices were heard today at the United Nations and their voices will always be heard because Pakistan will always stand by them."

Minutes later, Syed Akbaruddin, India's UN ambassador, told journalists that Kashmir was an "internal matter" for India and that it was "gradually removing all restrictions" that were recently placed on the region as it "moves towards normalcy".

"Of particular concern is that one state is using terminology of jihad against and promoting violence in India, including by the leaders," Akbaruddin said, without identifying the country by name.

"We are saddened that terrorism is being fuelled, language and incendiary talk of jihad is being mentioned by people who should know better."

SC 'seriously concerned'
For his part, Zhang Jun, China's UN ambassador, told reporters that council members had been "seriously concerned" by the Kashmir crisis and that neither India nor Pakistan should provoke a situation that was "already very tense and very dangerous".

Those countries should "discard the zero-sum game mentality" to the region, he added.

Dmitry Polyanskiy, Russia's envoy to the UN, said Moscow was concerned by the crisis but added that it was a "bilateral issue" best tackled directly between New Delhi and Islamabad.

Dynamics in the council chamber were understood to be guided by long-standing relationships. The United States is a traditional backer of India and China of Pakistan, while many council members have close relations with both countries.

Kumi Naidoo, secretary-general of the human rights group Amnesty International, said in a statement that Security Council members needed to safeguard the human rights of the people of Kashmir.

"The actions of the Indian government have thrown ordinary people's lives into turmoil, subjecting them to unnecessary pain and distress on top of the years of human rights violations they have already endured," Naidoo said on Friday.

"The people of Jammu and Kashmir should not be treated as pawns in a political crisis, and the international community must come together to call for their human rights to be respected."

Tensions remain high in Kashmir
As the council met, tensions remained high in the disputed Kashmir region.

Earlier on Friday, Pakistan's army reported more exchanges of fire across the heavily militarised Line of Control dividing Pakistan- and Indian-administered Kashmir. It said one Pakistani soldier was killed, bringing the death toll to six in under than 24 hours.

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has urged Pakistan and India to refrain from any steps that could destabilise Indian-administered Kashmir, while also expressing worrying by the reports of restrictions there.

On August 5, India's Hindu nationalist government revoked Article 370 of the Constitution and ended the decades-old autonomy Jammu and Kashmir enjoyed, including powers to pass laws on all matters except defence, communications and foreign affairs.


Before the move, New Delhi sent thousands of extra troops to the disputed region, imposed a curfew, banned public assembly, shut down phone lines and internet and arrested political leaders.

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Source :: Al-Jazeera
 
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India try to settle some gangus in valley>> they get attacked>> India blame terrorists/Pakistan. Whole world is behind them because all these gangus did was trying to settle down in their own country and were attacked by terrorists from across the border. We Bharatis are not ethnic cleansing anyone, its poor gangus who are getting attacked by terrorists. Kashmiris are with us, listen to Farooq Abdullah if you have any doubt.

This is the future guys.
 
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India try to settle some gangus in valley>> they get attacked>> India blame terrorists/Pakistan. Whole world is behind them because all these gangus did was trying to settle down in their own country and were attacked by terrorists from across the border. We Bharatis are not ethnic cleansing anyone, its poor gangus who are getting attacked by terrorists. Kashmiris are with us, listen to Farooq Abdullah if you have any doubt.

This is the future guys.
No it is not..stop lying.
 
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Can you imagine UNSC discussing Police violence against blacks in the U.S? Or even cow lynchings of Muslims in india? Never.

Why? Because those are internal matters of the respective states.

However, UNSC does not recognize Kashmir as a mere internal issue of india. This meeting after revokationg of article 370 is living proof of that.

But gullible indians will keep making a mockry of themselves by repeating their media-fed talking points
 
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Can you imagine UNSC discussing Police violence against blacks in the U.S? Or even cow lynchings of Muslims in india? Never.

Why? Because those are internal matters of the respective states.

However, UNSC does not recognize Kashmir as a mere internal issue of india. This meeting after revokationg of article 370 is living proof of that.

But gullible indians will keep making a mockry of themselves by repeating their media-fed talking points
Indians will keep laughing at this, because they know they have already repealed 370, and its not coming back. It goes to UN because China does take it up. Tell me if something on ground is going to change because of this, or else its just fooling the public back home that something happen. Even a resolution isnt going to be made.
 
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Indians will keep laughing at this, because they know they have already repealed 370, and its not coming back. It goes to UN because China does take it up. Tell me if something on ground is going to change because of this, or else its just fooling the public back home that something happen. Even a resolution isnt going to be made.

:lol:

"Laughing" is something the world does on india and gullible indians. The fact of anything not being changed on the ground applies to 370 revokation, and not UNSC meeting.

IOK was de-facto indian controlled territory. It remains the same today (albeit more resource-consuming now than before, thanks to the increased resentment of the local populace). Its funny to see beaten down, weak, and historically dominated poor hindus 'celebrate' a legal change in a territory already under their control for decades :lol:

Pakistan will make sure maximum tough time is given to india for 370 change. Meanwhile, when india cried against CPEC running through "disputed territory"----nobody even made a news out of it in international media, let alone world leaders commenting on it and UNSC meeting being held on the issue.

As always, Pakistan has its territory of Kashmir fully secured and stable----while india is on the defensive having to justify its actions internationally, UNSC meeting being called, international media writing news after news after news.....all on Indian Kashmir and its occupation.

I am just glad we have Imran Khan as our PM at this moment in history who understands the deep inferiority-complex of indian masses due to their historical domination and defeats at the hands of Muslims, and RSS' yearning of washing away that eternal humiliation by reclaiming the 'Akhand Bharat' and making it a hindu state.

Only problem? Nuclear-armed Islamic military machine standing right next to left-over bharat, being led by a charismatic leader Imran Khan! :pakistan:
 
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. Tell me if something on ground is going to change because of this, or else its just fooling the public back home that something happen.

Yes, nothing has changed. Kashmir was a disputed territory under International Law and it will remain a disputed territory regardless of how many amendments India makes in their Constitution.
 
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:lol:

"Laughing" is something the world does on india and gullible indians. The fact of anything not being changed on the ground applies to 370 revokation, and not UNSC meeting.

IOK was de-facto indian controlled territory. It remains the same today (albeit more resource-consuming now than before, thanks to the increased resentment of the local populace). Its funny to see beaten down, weak, and historically dominated poor hindus 'celebrate' a legal change in a territory already under their control for decades :lol:

Pakistan will make sure maximum tough time is given to india for 370 change. Meanwhile, when india cried against CPEC running through "disputed territory"----nobody even made a news out of it in international media.

As always, Pakistan has its territory of Kashmir fully secured and stable----while india is on the defensive having to justify its actions internationally, UNSC meeting being called, international media writing news after news after news.....all on Indian Kashmir and its occuption.

I am just glad we have Imran Khan as our PM at this moment in history. :pakistan:
Why nobody made a fuss about CPEC and why India didnt take it more seriously, you will find out when CPEC is completed. The world isnt foolish.

Yes, nothing has changed. Kashmir was a disputed territory under International Law and it will remain a disputed territory regardless of how many amendments India makes in their Constitution.
But thats what you think. The people who think that are in Pakistan. But rest of the world is going to invest there as if it is India. So you might think its disputed but in reality it is different. Just hollow words will do nothing bro, seriously.
 
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But thats what you think. The people who think that are in Pakistan. But rest of the world is going to invest there as if it is India. So you might think its disputed but in reality it is different. Just hollow words will do nothing bro, seriously.

To the contrary, our delusional Indian friend, the entire world considers Kashmir as a disputed territory under international law.

The people who think that Kashmir is an integral part of India are the Indians only.
For the rest of the world, Pakistan is a party to the dispute.
b/w you know what "bilateral" means?
 
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Why nobody made a fuss about CPEC and why India didnt take it more seriously, you will find out when CPEC is completed. The world isnt foolish.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Typical excuses of defeated, dominated, and humiliated people (aka indians, especially Hindus). "YoU wiLL fInd OuT"..."We AreN't FooLish!"...."ThEre's a PlAN"....blah blah blah.

Fact of matter is: india is a weak and contained state that can never even think of entering GB/Azad Kashmir, let alone getting its lost territories back. CPEC will go right through GB, and there is nothing india could do about it.

Meanwhile, a mere legal change in indian Kashmir brings worldwide attention, UNSC meeting, border escalation, and india has to deploy hundreds of thousands of soldiers to control the spill-over.

370 means nothing in greater geo-political game. CPEC means ALOT in greater geopolitical scenario.

Yet, CPEC happens peacefully with full stability-----and article 370 becomes a hot-issue globally

Gotta give Kudos to Pakistan's complete stranglehold on its vital interests in the region, Mashallah!

Don't worry though, we will keep the issue of 370 alive for some months. Hell, even the curfew hasn't been lifted yet :lol: News of Tens of thousands protesting in Kashmir is going to go viral everywhere in coming months.

Meanwhile, the real strategic change in Kashmir (CPEC and Chinese supply-lines) continue their progression as planned---all without any fuss :)
 
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Pakistan accuses New Delhi of human rights abuses after Security Council meeting, India says Kashmir 'internal matter'.

United Nations - Envoys from nuclear-armed neighbours India and Pakistan have traded barbs outside the United Nations Security Council chamber, after members met behind closed doors for rare talks on the disputed region of Kashmir.

The meeting on Friday came as Indian-administered Kashmir remained under a military lockdown for a 12th straight day following the highly controversial decision by the Hindu nationalist government in New Delhi to revoke the special statusaccorded to the Muslim-majority state in India's constitution.

Council members met for 90 minutes amid heightened tensions in the contested Himalayan region, which has long been a flashpoint between India and Pakistan - the two countries, which both claim Kashmir in full but rule it in part, have fought two of their three wars over the disputed territory. India is also fighting a three-decade rebellion in Jammu and Kashmir that has claimed tens of thousands of lives.

Pakistan requested the Security Council meeting in a letter on August 13 and it was subsequently called for by permanent member China.

The 15-nation body heard briefings from Oscar Fernandez-Taranco, the UN's assistant secretary-general for peacebuilding support, and Carlos Humberto Loitey, the UN military adviser for peacekeeping operations.

Following the session, Maleeha Lodhi, Pakistan's ambassador to the UN, said the council's first meeting on Kashmir in more than 50 years was only a "first step" that Islamabad would take in support of the people of Kashmir.

"This meeting nullifies India's claim that Jammu and Kashmir is an internal matter for India. Today, the whole world is discussing the occupied state and the situation there," she told reporters.

"The people of Jammu and Kashmir may be locked up, their voices may not be heard in their own homes and their own land, but their voices were heard today at the United Nations and their voices will always be heard because Pakistan will always stand by them."

Minutes later, Syed Akbaruddin, India's UN ambassador, told journalists that Kashmir was an "internal matter" for India and that it was "gradually removing all restrictions" that were recently placed on the region as it "moves towards normalcy".

"Of particular concern is that one state is using terminology of jihad against and promoting violence in India, including by the leaders," Akbaruddin said, without identifying the country by name.

"We are saddened that terrorism is being fuelled, language and incendiary talk of jihad is being mentioned by people who should know better."

SC 'seriously concerned'
For his part, Zhang Jun, China's UN ambassador, told reporters that council members had been "seriously concerned" by the Kashmir crisis and that neither India nor Pakistan should provoke a situation that was "already very tense and very dangerous".

Those countries should "discard the zero-sum game mentality" to the region, he added.

Dmitry Polyanskiy, Russia's envoy to the UN, said Moscow was concerned by the crisis but added that it was a "bilateral issue" best tackled directly between New Delhi and Islamabad.

Dynamics in the council chamber were understood to be guided by long-standing relationships. The United States is a traditional backer of India and China of Pakistan, while many council members have close relations with both countries.

Kumi Naidoo, secretary-general of the human rights group Amnesty International, said in a statement that Security Council members needed to safeguard the human rights of the people of Kashmir.

"The actions of the Indian government have thrown ordinary people's lives into turmoil, subjecting them to unnecessary pain and distress on top of the years of human rights violations they have already endured," Naidoo said on Friday.

"The people of Jammu and Kashmir should not be treated as pawns in a political crisis, and the international community must come together to call for their human rights to be respected."

Tensions remain high in Kashmir
As the council met, tensions remained high in the disputed Kashmir region.

Earlier on Friday, Pakistan's army reported more exchanges of fire across the heavily militarised Line of Control dividing Pakistan- and Indian-administered Kashmir. It said one Pakistani soldier was killed, bringing the death toll to six in under than 24 hours.

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has urged Pakistan and India to refrain from any steps that could destabilise Indian-administered Kashmir, while also expressing worrying by the reports of restrictions there.

On August 5, India's Hindu nationalist government revoked Article 370 of the Constitution and ended the decades-old autonomy Jammu and Kashmir enjoyed, including powers to pass laws on all matters except defence, communications and foreign affairs.


Before the move, New Delhi sent thousands of extra troops to the disputed region, imposed a curfew, banned public assembly, shut down phone lines and internet and arrested political leaders.

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Source :: Al-Jazeera
In strange turn of events, Russia advocated for an open session and US/France tried to block it.. wtf......
 
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No it is not..stop lying.

Hope I'm wrong but every gangu posted there is dreaming of owning house now. With backing of Indian government to change demographics. Dream of Sheikh Abdullah will finally come true, secular kashmir valley permanently integrating with Bharat.

Jammu was already run over by gangu migrants but now they will become permanent residents. Hindu natives in Jammu don't care anyway.
 
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"This meeting nullifies India's claim that Jammu and Kashmir is an internal matter for India. Today, the whole world is discussing the occupied state and the situation there," she told reporters.


THIS.
According to lodhi..
 
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