Pakistan and India, both may get SCO full membership

[indianBong]

This is why India and Pakistan doesn't belong in any of these groups such as SCO, BRICS, etc

This is why India and Pakistan doesn't belong in any of these groups such as SCO, BRICS, etc

india not a part of BRICS????????

Wow! I can't believe a Chinese saying that Pakistan should not be included in the SCO!!

Whatever happened to your deeper than the ocean and sweeter than honey relationship? After all, Pakistan is soon to become an autonomous region of China seeing the way China is taking over everything in Pakistan - from ports to roads to coal plants to nuclear energy to dams to oil and gas pipelines to electric transmission lines to industrial corridors to smart cities to export zones to....Oh well, you get the point!

nailed it.....

 

[OrionHunter]

Where does it say in his quote that the Chinese are saying Pakistan should not be included?

Here...

This is why India and Pakistan doesn't belong in any of these groups such as SCO, BRICS, etc.

And the India-Pakistan rivalry will make sure SCO becomes a failed group that won't achieve anything.

RIP SCO!

You need to learn the habit of reading a post before commenting!

 

[Shotgunner51]

BRICS is just a term created by an i-bank to pitch his clients' money. Now nothing but a term, nice dinners, happy photos, that's all of it. China (even excluding Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR, Taiwan) is far more bigger in economic size, fiscal capacity and industrial capacity than all the rest combined. BRICS has no material relevance.

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[Rajaraja Chola]

India will do the bidding of the US while in SCO since India is now an American ally. India will do what the US tells them what to do and they will do its best to make sure SCO never progresses. They got one of their boys in the club. Heck, even if India refuses, the US can give a few billion in aid to Pakistan and get Pakistan to do their dirty work.
This is a MASSIVE victory for the US.

Well done Russia, ruined another group.

Guess we have someone here who forgot bout whom did the American bidding against the soviets during the 70's and 80's.

 

[Place Of Space]

Guess we have someone here who forgot bout whom did the American bidding against the soviets during the 70's and 80's.

In your guys mind, how do you consider the joining? You know, joining in every group, members have both rights and duty.
SCO's mission is clear at anti-terrorism and cooperation in economy. This means India can enjoy economic cooperation convenience with all members but the duty is that India about to negociate with other members before take actions against Pakistan. India can't start a war like did in 1970's as will as you want. What's your opinions?

 

[Tractor]

Founded 2 decades ago, SCO as a buffer between Russia and China after the collapse of USSR had already been pointless so it sooner or later will be ended up.

 

[mike2000 is back]

There are many people in China that hate Russia, because they want China to rescue them when they are isolated from the West but still provide weapons to Vietnam.

RIP SCO!

LOOOL One of the few things i agree with you on. I said on here before as well. China despite being bigger still need Russia more than vice versa, well if its wants to stand any chance of counter balancing U.S pivot to Asia and maintaining a virtual parity/stability. So China is still willing to kind of play second fiddle to Moscow/stay behind the scenes for the time being. This can be seen as you said in the fact that even though the Chinese as you said despise Russia due to the fact that Moscow wants continued Chinese cooperation/aid to offset western/U.S sanctions against them, while at the same time Moscow doesn't give a shit about Beijing's own sensitivities AT ALL , like Supplying deadly submarines/missiles to Vietnam. LOOOL . If China was an equal to Russia in this relationship, it too would have been providing weapons/equipment/aid to Ukraine if necessary on a 'neutral' perspective as Moscow says it does towards Vietnam.. But we all know it cant even if Ukraine demands/begs for it, since China is scared/worried of offending Moscow, meanwhile Russia can and will keep providing Vietnam with all weapons Vietnam can afford to buy without taking into account any of its Chinese sensitivities/worries. So much for strategic allies/partners.

I say well done Moscow, you are still a very good chess player.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

In your guys mind, how do you consider the joining? You know, joining in every group, members have both rights and duty.
SCO's mission is clear at anti-terrorism and cooperation in economy. This means India can enjoy economic cooperation convenience with all members but the duty is that India about to negociate with other members before take actions against Pakistan. India can't start a war like did in 1970's as will as you want. What's your opinions?

Well lets be honest. SCO started like something like a bang. With Russia's major support, it thought it could atlast create a alliance with China against NATO . But after all these years, Russia's economy have failed, their oil pumped out of industry by another US ally Saudi Arabia, its industrial growth at all time low. And now the group have started to flounder from all the bang when it started.

No economic deal done, No military deal done. So whats the group is going to be? Another OIC? Another SAARC?

The only groupings which have done anything worthwhile are the European Union and ASEAN. Well thats my observations.
And for war situations, you can occasionally see patriotic pakistanis claiming we started all wars against India. And I take it as a occasion to remind you. India have "never" started or any war with Pakistan. Always it have been the other way around, and also in getting brickbats.

 

[Razia Sultana]

India will do the bidding of the US while in SCO since India is now an American ally. India will do what the US tells them what to do and they will do its best to make sure SCO never progresses. They got one of their boys in the club. Heck, even if India refuses, the US can give a few billion in aid to Pakistan and get Pakistan to do their dirty work.
This is a MASSIVE victory for the US.

Well done Russia, ruined another group.

FYI, from 2 polar world during cold war, it became unipolar after Soviet Union disintegrated and now multi polar world is the new reality. Indian has always pursued an independent foreign policy. Dont expect India to be a messenger boy, India has never been one. In this matter of India and pakistan joining SCO, China could have simply said No to Indian entry and not bargained for Pakistan. You are right that Indo-pak mutual suspicion may ruin SCO as it has ruined SAARC. Russia, China and India are already together in BRICS. If SCO decides to have free trade among member countries, Pakistan will say NO as its aversed to having trade with India.

 

[mike2000 is back]

BRICS is just a term created by an i-bank to pitch his clients' money. Now nothing but a term, nice dinners, happy photos, that's all of it. China (even excluding Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR, Taiwan) is far more bigger in economic size, fiscal capacity and industrial capacity than all the rest combined. BRICS has no material relevance.

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So India now has a bigger GDP than Russia from last year?? Seems our sanctions are doing wonders for Moscow.
Great going India.

 

[UKBengali]

LOOOL One of the few things i agree with you on. I said on here before as well. China despite being bigger still need Russia more than vice versa, well if its wants to stand any chance of counter balancing U.S pivot to Asia and maintaining a virtual parity/stability. So China is still willing to kind of play second fiddle to Moscow/stay behind the scenes for the time being. This can be seen as you said in the fact that even though the Chinese as you said despise Russia due to the fact that Moscow wants continued Chinese cooperation/aid to offset western/U.S sanctions against them, while at the same time Moscow doesn't give a shit about Beijing's own sensitivities AT ALL , like Supplying deadly submarines/missiles to Vietnam. LOOOL . If China was an equal to Russia in this relationship, it too would have been providing weapons/equipment/aid to Ukraine if necessary on a 'neutral' perspective as Moscow says it does towards Vietnam.. But we all know it cant even if Ukraine demands/begs for it, since China is scared/worried of offending Moscow, meanwhile Russia can and will keep providing Vietnam with all weapons Vietnam can afford to buy without taking into account any of its Chinese sensitivities/worries. So much for strategic allies/partners.

I say well done Moscow, you are still a very good chess player.

China does not give a rat's if Russia provides weapons to Vietnam. These weapons are nothing compared
to China's military arsenal.

As regards military technology, China is around 5 years away from equalling Russia in some areas and surpassing
Russia in other areas - already Russians trail China in electronics and arguably radar as well.

Within a decade, China will become MASSIVELY more powerful than Russia and the Russians know it.

 

[Place Of Space]

Well lets be honest. SCO started like something like a bang. With Russia's major support, it thought it could atlast create a alliance with China against NATO . But after all these years, Russia's economy have failed, their oil pumped out of industry by another US ally Saudi Arabia, its industrial growth at all time low. And now the group have started to flounder from all the bang when it started.

No economic deal done, No military deal done. So whats the group is going to be? Another OIC? Another SAARC?

The only groupings which have done anything worthwhile are the European Union and ASEAN. Well thats my observations.
And for war situations, you can occasionally see patriotic pakistanis claiming we started all wars against India. And I take it as a occasion to remind you. India have "never" started or any war with Pakistan. Always it have been the other way around, and also in getting brickbats.

The group wasn't military orgalization when it started. Their mission is anti-torrorism, later adding economic cooperation. Economic deal is not obviouse so far, Central Asian nations' econony at starting stage. It's obvious terrorism spreading restricted effectively in Central Asia comparing to Middle east and south-west Asia.

So, what's your opinions of the Indian and Pakistan government's decision?

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

So India now has a bigger GDP than Russia from last year?? Seems our sanctions are doing wonders for Moscow.
Great going India.

It seems that the Russia's trade with US has increased for the sanctions, meanwhile its trade with Europe decreased for that.

 

[mike2000 is back]

China does not give a rat's if Russia provides weapons to Vietnam. These weapons are nothing compared
to China's military arsenal.

As regards military technology, China is around 5 years away from equally Russia in some areas and surpassing
Russia in other areas - already Russians trail China in electronics and arguably radar as well.

Within a decade, China will become MASSIVELY more powerful than Russia and the Russians know it.

Tell that to the Russians, they don't believe that. They know they still know China still relies a lot on their tech for its military. Do you know how many chinese fighter jets run on Russia engines even today?lol Do you know how many Chinese fighter jets are derived/reverse engineered from Russian ones? for this reason they cant even export some of these fighters as Moscow will protest its IP rights and the aircraft's as well since engines are Russians etc. China in my opinion still needs decades to get rid of Russian tech dependence altogether, and create a purely ingenious tech military industry. I think China will succeed though as its advancing quite fast, but it needs more/a lot of time for its own systems to mature. Until then Moscow still has the upper hand, and it will milked it for all its worth, while it still has the time.

Dont forget Russia is an old bear Geo political master player just like we in Britain/E.U and the U.S, we have all been playing these games for over a century now since we were world powers battling for world supremacy/control, so Russia has as much experience as us, China to be honest is still fairly new to the game. But it will learn with time.

 

[DJ Crudept]

It seems that the Russia's trade with US has increased for the sanctions, meanwhile its trade with Europe decreased for that.

really ?