Pakistan and China should sign an agreement on division of Kashmir

[Gangetic]

Brother, I agree our interests are limited to Kashmir and Kargil but we are committing a great blunder by allowing Sino-Indian detente to happen, Once Sino-India LAC/border has been settled in Ladakh, China will no longer care for Kashmir or Kargil. China will still care for GB as CPEC goes through GB, but we also need to understand that China has hedged herself against failure of CPEC with the Sino-Iran deal.

Does China even claim territory in Ladakh? I think they only claim Arunachal and some others in the East.

 

[HalfMoon]

Does China even claim territory in Ladakh? I think they only claim Arunachal and some others in the East.

Yes. China's main claim is actually in Ladakh as they want to control and protect their G219 road that connects Kashgar in Xinjiang to Lhasa in Tibet. China uses their claims in Arunachal as bargaining chip to force India concede in Ladakh.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Brother, I agree our interests are limited to Kashmir and Kargil but we are committing a great blunder by allowing Sino-Indian detente to happen, Once Sino-India LAC/border has been settled in Ladakh, China will no longer care for Kashmir or Kargil. China will still care for GB as CPEC goes through GB, but we also need to understand that China has hedged herself against failure of CPEC with the Sino-Iran deal.

Sino-Iran deal is something else, and CPEC is something else. Sino-Iran deal has more to do to Europe-China-Iran. And another target was India. Pakistan actually brokered that too.
So chill, we know very well, what to do, and when to do. Everything, so far, is under tight control.
The only thing, that is not under control is haramis working under Imran Khan and other political parties.
In haramion ka bhi waqt nazdek hai. Yeh bhagaingy bhi tu unko koi mulk panah nai dyga.

 

[Gangetic]

Yes. China's main claim is actually in Ladakh as they want to control and protect their G219 road that connects Kashgar in Xinjiang to Lhasa in Tibet. China uses their claims in Arunachal as bargaining chip to force India concede in Ladakh.

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So they don't have any more claims inside Indian Ladakh except those green regions? If so I doubt they would care for Kashmir. They have far more pressing concerns like SCS.

 

[Silverblaze]

Yes. Xinjiang has strategic value like the Indo-Pacific as BRI's land and sea routes pass through them but Tibet has no strategic value. No BRI routes go through Tibet. Tibet and Ladakh have some nuisance value to create some human rights headlines but there simply isn't any strategic value.



That's exactly the issue for us. China has now put forwarded a formal and concrete proposal to India to make 1959 LAC as the border. This has not happened in decades. We can hope that India will not accept it but that is wishful thinking. What are Pakistan's options if India accepts it?

Bold part. Are you asking for India or the west? For india tibet is very imp for obvious reasons. But for the west, Tibet is even more important. a separate tibet can cut of China from almost all of south asia and can be used as launchpad for xinjiang rebels hence cutting china from south and central asia. That is why they supported terrorists in the 50s.

Please understand US cannot tolerate a Eurasian power. These two regions make China an Eurasian player. Thats why US helps terrorists against China.

2nd bold part - Lets say india accepts it which it cant, but still, India cannot claim GB as China cannot allow destabilization in CPEC because China's main objective was always to deter india from attacking CPEC.

Thing is if india accepts 1959 line, it will lose strategic advantage automatically to China and will not even be in a position to claim GB.

Pakistan as of now can coordinate with Chinese, and wait for an indian offensive which can happen because india is frustrated and can react against Pakistan.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Brothers, this is not hearsay and dreaming.

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin's Regular Press Conference on September 30, 2020


Beijing Youth Daily: China and India are reportedly engaging with each other for the 19th meeting of the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on China-India Border Affairs. The Indian delegation will be headed by Shri Naveen Srivastava, Joint Secretary (East Asia) of the Indian Ministry of External Affairs, and the head of the Chinese delegation will be Director-General Hong Liang of the MFA's Department of Boundary and Ocean Affairs. Can you confirm this? If so, what will the two sides discuss?

Wang Wenbin: China and India are currently holding the 19th meeting of the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on China-India Border Affairs. They will focus on the implementation of the five-point consensus reached by the two foreign ministers in Moscow, settlement of the remaining issues on the ground, and de-escalation in the China-India border area.

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Yes and there were many many meetings of this level and higher between the two countries and there will be many after this so

 

[HalfMoon]

Yes and there were many many meetings of this level and higher between the two countries and there will be many after this so

The point is not if there were meetings/talks between China and India before but China has not placed any concrete proposal in front of India to settle the border dispute for 3 decades now but now it has done it.

 

[HalfMoon]

Bold part. Are you asking for India or the west? For india tibet is very imp for obvious reasons. But for the west, Tibet is even more important. a separate tibet can cut of China from almost all of south asia and can be used as launchpad for xinjiang rebels hence cutting china from south and central asia. That is why they supported terrorists in the 50s.

Please understand US cannot tolerate a Eurasian power. These two regions make China an Eurasian player. Thats why US helps terrorists against China.

2nd bold part - Lets say india accepts it which it cant, but still, India cannot claim GB as China cannot allow destabilization in CPEC because China's main objective was always to deter india from attacking CPEC.

Thing is if india accepts 1959 line, it will lose strategic advantage automatically to China and will not even be in a position to claim GB.

Pakistan as of now can coordinate with Chinese, and wait for an indian offensive which can happen because india is frustrated and can react against Pakistan.

Point 1:

Tibet is a huge barren land. Hardly anything grows there in summer and anyone wants to live there in the winter.

British encouraged China to claim Tibet as they were worried that Russia will occupy and confront them in India.

Today, no one cares. Just look at the below map. Even China does not bother to build any roads as part of their BRI through Tibet.

For China, Kashgar in Xinjiang is the focal/pivotal point as BRI road from CPEC meets the BRI road going west to Europe.

Point 2:

India may not accept Chinese proposal at face value but my worry is that China and India will come to an agreement sooner than later. The difference in Indian and Chinese proposals are not that wide.

Basically, China does not want LAC/border to be too close to their G219 road while India does not want the LAC to be too close to their DS-DBO road. The difference in Indian and Chinese proposals is only few kms here and there which is not insurmountable.

Once China-India come to an agreement on their border, Pakistan will have to confront India on our own as China will no longer be interested in getting involved with India as they would rather focus their energies on ECS & SCS.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

The point is not if there were meetings/talks between China and India before but China has not placed any concrete proposal in front of India to settle the border dispute for 3 decades now but now it has done it.

Any Chinese source for internationalisation of the border other than the five points which is only a de escalation roadmap. And remember pakistan as a whole is one of the linchpins of BRI initiative and the only real reliable time tested ally of china in the whole world don't fool yourself.

 

[Kaleem.61]

Brother, I agree our interests are limited to Kashmir and Kargil but we are committing a great blunder by allowing Sino-Indian detente to happen, Once Sino-India LAC/border has been settled in Ladakh, China will no longer care for Kashmir or Kargil. China will still care for GB as CPEC goes through GB, but we also need to understand that China has hedged herself against failure of CPEC with the Sino-Iran deal.

Jundu balm.. de.. drd mein araam.

If china has fired you he will do the same for us. Remember there will be no issue in between us.
We have the option of table talks unlike you.

And how can you say china will not take care of Pakistan even after BRI/OBOR????

 

[Beast]

Couple of months ago, I made post about an urgent need for Pakistan and China to conclude an agreement on Kashmir.

Pakistan and China should sign an agreement on division of Kashmir

I think the time have come for Pakistan and China to sign an agreement on the division of Indian occupied J&K. Green regions go to Pakistan while the Orange/Yellow regions go to China.

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Unfortunately, Pakistan's establishment did not show any interest resulting in China becoming disillusioned with Pakistan and started moving forward with India instead.

The latest news is that China and India are now very close to formalizing the LAC as their International border.

The current negotiations are at an advanced stage of delineating and agreeing on the LAC to reconcile LAC claims and counter claims by both India and China.

Once this agreement is done, China will lose its interest in Kashmir issue and would start focusing on SCS instead.

Once China is out of the picture in Kashmir, India will start focusing all her resources against Pakistan.

I must say that Pakistan's establishment has greatly failed to stop the Sino-Indian detente.

Not possible. Indians as usual will always dream in their superpower fantasy. They will overclaim what is theirs from Chinese. China being second most powerful nation will never accept what india ask for.

 

[rott]

Jundu balm.. de.. drd mein araam.

If china has fired you he will do the same for us. Remember there will be no issue in between us.
We have the option of table talks unlike you.

And how can you say china will not take care of Pakistan even after BRI/OBOR????

Bro, @HalfMoon is a very pro-Pakistan.