Pakistan Air Force to gain superiority over the Indian Air Force

[pari.mehta]

Could you elaborate a bit more on that?

The reality is that it took the IAF just over a week to achieve complete domination of the subcontinent’s skies. A measure of the IAF’s air supremacy was the million-man open air rallies held by the Indian prime minister in northern Indian cities, a week into the war. This couldn’t have been possible if Pakistani planes were still airborne.

How India brought down the US

Its a great read

 

[regular]

For the first time ever, the Pakistan Air Force to gain superiority over the Indian Air Force in the skies :

For the first time ever, the Pakistan Air Force to gain superiority over the Indian Air Force in the skies | Pakistan Defence

Oh!!! Congratulations for U/Indian/IAF guyz cuz U guyz are working great...keep it up same like that in future.....

 

[pari.mehta]

This is the attitude that I don't like in your countrymen. You guys act like high-schoolers at time. Read my other posts and you'll learn about 'your kind' probably.

So let's take an example here, your super ultimate 30, Rafale, Migs, Jags, etc, Brahmos, its mom, neighbors and dogs together with the mighty economy (paid for by generous US tax payers who lost their jobs to help create jobs in India)........can do what against Pakistan's 'little' air force??......the realistic answer is 'Jack Squat!'.

If you don't agree, read your big daddy uncle sam's assessments about South East Asia and about the situation. It doesn't matter how big the India is or or how powerful or weak Pak is. The answer is....no one really has superiority in military conflict. Because ANY future conflict will involve crap that NO ONE should even think about. Numbers don't mean a thing anymore as the thresholds are set too low with high stakes on each side.

You guys should be sending flowers to the 13 million Americans who are unemployed as those jobs went to India and created 40 million jobs in the same amount of money. A country where half the people still sleep bed less, you should be a bit humble there.

Back to the topic, this was for JFT, not how many supermen robots live in the mighty India with mighty Super Ultimate 30!!! Jeeeeez. Can it get ANY more sillier than this?

aww, dont get angry kiddo, know what get a username about a failed mughal who destroyed the empire the tolerant, akbar the great built because he was an intolerant little sh#t, better yet get American flags.
Yeah, that'll show em. It will hide the fact that America, DAILY, forcibly enters pakistan, violating any illusions of sovereignty they may have and violently explodes bombs on the heads of terrorists (woops, strategic assets) and drops their loads using flying killer robots while the VALIANT PAF FIGHTERS STAND ON A MOUNTAINTOP breeze flowing through their hair as the americans drop a few notes to satisfy the "transaction".

If you don't agree, read your big daddy uncle sam's assessments about South East Asia and about the situation. It doesn't matter how big the India is or or how powerful or weak Pak is.

1) Not 'our' but big 'daddy uncle sam', hmm....
2) It dosent matter how overwhelmingly powerful the IAF is compared to the PAF in an air war????

You are absolutely correct that we cant do anything to pakistan. Well, nothing compared to corrupt leaders, budget hogging generals, and gun wielding strategic assets haven't already done. No man in raw could have dreamed of making pakistan so inefficient, militarily, economically, diplomatically and even culturally.

Please tell me oh dear american overlord how when most jobs, went from manufacturing to china and some to japan is the american taxpayer paying for indian planes by being uncompetitive, allowing indian to grow so beyond pak's capibility that the indian coastguard is more militarily significant than the entire pakistani surface fleet, or how our "super ultimate 30s) that us some of the same Israeli additions that the USN (targeting pods or jamming pods etc) does make it worse than a mig 21 rehash whose primary purpose is that of a chinese tech demonstrator, most of whom arent even bvr equipped without any militarily significant avionics(yeah, they cost alot of money pak dosent have), please do, sir, please. Maybe if your countrymen had the sense they wouldn't be in an economic quagmire and become economically significant. And im not talking bout the US coward..

Pakistains ashamed to fly their colours, PAF valiantly failing to win wars or even fight off aggressors now Nothing new here huh. Know what get china, your new daddy in here that'll help, american daddy not working on india, get chinese daddy, he dosent act like american daddy, yet.

 

[King Solomon]

How India brought down the US

Its a great read

Thank you. It is indeed a realistic fact that India has been very merciful towards its adversaries in history. India gave up the large amount of conquered territories after 1965 war. India also showed its generosity after occupying eastern wing of pakistan in 1971, instead of annexing the newly liberated country, it allowed the country to exist as a sovereign nation. India did not retailate despite the numerous terrorist attacks in its soil. It is a responsible nuclear power - evident from the restraint it has shown from 1970s when it achieved nuclear weapon capability.

God is helping India because of that. India is the clear leader of south asia no matter how much people might hate it. Every successful people/entity got a bunch of haters behind it and India is no exception.

 

[The SC]

You talk like a looser, who is jealous and full of envy, India or Pakistan?
India "won" some battles not wars against Pakistan, If we consider proportions as a perspective, than Indian talk is an empty one, it is good for its moral, but when based on lies than it will destroy that moral.

The article of the thread is based on facts, and anyone bringing up the future purchases of India's Air Force into account should try to be realistic, since the people who wrote the article must have taken that into account too.

 

[King Solomon]

.................India "won" some battles not wars against Pakistan..................

Not meaning to demonize Pakistan's achievement ( I appreciate it defending itself against a more powerful adversary). But India decisively won or achieved tactical victory in ALL conflicts with pakistan so far.

.........anyone bringing up the future purchases..........

Lets talk about present, shall we? Russia-Indian Su-30MKI which India has around 150 is enough to handle the whole of pakistan's air force.

 

[oct605032048]

Well, as per comparison, Indian air force is vastly superior to pakistan's at present. No hard feelings: Just facts. Around 150 Su-30MKI that India has is enough for dealing with entire Pakistan's air force.

In the future, India is set to acquire Rafael as well as PAK-FA 5th Gen fighter, which is likely to be completed around 2015-2018.

News just came out that the India/Russian PAK-FA got 2 years postpone, from 2017 to 2019. According to Russia's record of being geniously manipulating the buyer of weapons, further postpone and raise price are highly possible.

 

[King Solomon]

News just came out that the India/Russian PAK-FA got 2 years postpone, from 2017 to 2019. According to Russia's record of being geniously manipulating the buyer of weapons, further postpone and raise price are highly possible.

Russian AF to Get First T-50 Fighters in 2013 | Defense | RIA Novosti

RuAF would start receiving the first T 50 around 2013. Indian version of PAK-FA has over 50 improvements/customizations to suit their needs (naturally this would take longer). Even then, I wouldn't expect the delay to be as much as you stated (2019) if everything goes on track.

 

[Bobby]

This is the attitude that I don't like in your countrymen. You guys act like high-schoolers at time. Read my other posts and you'll learn about 'your kind' probably.

So let's take an example here, your super ultimate 30, Rafale, Migs, Jags, etc, Brahmos, its mom, neighbors and dogs together with the mighty economy (paid for by generous US tax payers who lost their jobs to help create jobs in India)........can do what against Pakistan's 'little' air force??......the realistic answer is 'Jack Squat!'.

If you don't agree, read your big daddy uncle sam's assessments about South East Asia and about the situation. It doesn't matter how big the India is or or how powerful or weak Pak is. The answer is....no one really has superiority in military conflict. Because ANY future conflict will involve crap that NO ONE should even think about. Numbers don't mean a thing anymore as the thresholds are set too low with high stakes on each side.

You guys should be sending flowers to the 13 million Americans who are unemployed as those jobs went to India and created 40 million jobs in the same amount of money. A country where half the people still sleep bed less, you should be a bit humble there.

Back to the topic, this was for JFT, not how many supermen robots live in the mighty India with mighty Super Ultimate 30!!! Jeeeeez. Can it get ANY more sillier than this?

You should also send flower to those US families whose member is dead because of you

 

[deckingraj]

This is the attitude that I don't like in your countrymen. You guys act like high-schoolers at time. Read my other posts and you'll learn about 'your kind' probably.

Better apply before preaching will ya??? You are acting as a high-schooler about how Indians have taken the jobs of the Americans but unfortunately don't know a squat about economics....Why such a big hypocrite stand??? If we all go by your nonsense logic then China is the country which have taken almost all the manufacturing jobs from US...which is way higher than the service sector....Anyhow learn some basic concepts of economics or open a new thread..i will be more than happy to assist....

So let's take an example here, your super ultimate 30, Rafale, Migs, Jags, etc, Brahmos, its mom, neighbors and dogs together with the mighty economy (paid for by generous US tax payers who lost their jobs to help create jobs in India)........can do what against Pakistan's 'little' air force??......the realistic answer is 'Jack Squat!'.

If you don't agree, read your big daddy uncle sam's assessments about South East Asia and about the situation. It doesn't matter how big the India is or or how powerful or weak Pak is. The answer is....no one really has superiority in military conflict. Because ANY future conflict will involve crap that NO ONE should even think about. Numbers don't mean a thing anymore as the thresholds are set too low with high stakes on each side.

Had you taken a few moments before hitting the reply button you might have noticed that the thread is about Air-Forces alone...Yes, the thresholds are low but does that mean we should stop working upon conventional might?? Any reason your country is working upon JF-17 and other ventures??? Sine the low threshold is going to make everything 'Jack Squat' why waste the money??? Listen we all know about low thresholds but here we are comparing only the Air-Forces....IAF always had a higher quantitative ratio...For the first time we may loose the edge...This is what we are discussing...

You guys should be sending flowers to the 13 million Americans who are unemployed as those jobs went to India and created 40 million jobs in the same amount of money. A country where half the people still sleep bed less, you should be a bit humble there.

No doubt about that part...One should be humble...However that should be true irrespective of how many home less you have...Why this cheap banter of poverty??

Back to the topic, this was for JFT, not how many supermen robots live in the mighty India with mighty Super Ultimate 30!!! Jeeeeez. Can it get ANY more sillier than this?

Look at your reply...the answer is YES

 

[Bobby]

Oh!!! Congratulations for U/Indian/IAF guyz cuz U guyz are working great...keep it up same like that in future.....

Sorry we can not fulfill your wish in future....because we will be having Rafale, PAK-FA and LCAs....

 

[oct605032048]

Sorry we can not fulfill your wish in future....because we will be having Rafale, PAK-FA and LCAs....

You guys were proud of LCA almost 20 years ago,
Maybe after 20 years India can still be proud of Rafale, PAK-FA and LCAs.

 

[Pak_Sher]

You know that Pakistan lost '65 Indo-Pak war, right? Since, Kashmir is still with India even today.

You are right Kashmir is still with India. It was 100% with India before the 1948 War, but India only had 77% of it after the 1948 War.

Yes India was left with 74% of Kashmir after the 1965 War. Kashmir is sill with India just 26% less. Pakistan did give 9% of Kashmir to China, but since Pakistan Army was the victor, it had the right to hand over the territory to China.

Let's get the facts straight.

 

[deckingraj]

You are right Kashmir is still with India. It was 100% with India before the 1948 War, but India only had 77% of it after the 1948 War.

Yes India was left with 74% of Kashmir after the 1965 War. Kashmir is sill with India just 26% less. Pakistan did give 9% of Kashmir to China, but since Pakistan Army was the victor, it had the right to hand over the territory to China.

Let's get the facts straight.

Agreed..One should always...So let's try
a) 1948 - Kashmir was not part of India...We stopped your aggression...So you want to term it as victory then please go ahead..
b) Whatever you gave to China was always under your control. It is not like you won something from us and gave it to them. You want to term it as a victory...go ahead..
c) 1971 - There is not much to talk
d) 1984 - Siachen is with us
e) 1999 - Kargil is still with us...

Above all status quo on Kashmir is still maintained...Now call it victory...loss or whatever it will not mean anything nor it will change anything...

 

[Bobby]

You guys were proud of LCA almost 20 years ago,
Maybe after 20 years India can still be proud of Rafale, PAK-FA and LCAs.

After all your wish for failure of LCA.....LCA has become reality...so sad for you...you wish did not get fulfilled