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Pakistan air strikes target Haqqani insurgents

Attack on militants accused of cross-border attacks on US forces may signal major shift in Pakistan’s attitude to Afghanistan

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An insurgent group known for its deadly attacks on US forces in Afghanistan has been targeted by Pakistani military aircraft in what is believed to be the first such strike on a group long accused of enjoying the secret backing of Pakistan’s army.


In what might herald a major shift in Pakistan’s attitude to Afghanistan, military and intelligence officials said seven members of the Haqqani Network were among 20 militants killed by air strikes.

Officials said the strikes, carried out by a jet and an attack helicopter, were launched against hideouts belonging to both the Haqqani Network and an allied group run by militant warlord Hafiz Gul Bahadur.

The bases were in the Dattakhel area of North Waziristan, the tribal agency that for years has been a secure staging ground for militants launching attacks inside Afghanistan.

Rahimullah Yousafzai, a veteran observer of the combustible borderlands between Pakistan and Afghanistan, cautioned that there was no way to verify whether the off-the-record claims made by intelligence officials were true.

However, it was significant that they should want to take credit for killing Haqqani fighters.

“Definitely if Haqqani Network people are killed that is really something the US and Afghan governments would like to hear,” he said.

Some of the Haqqani Network’s daring and sophisticated attacks, including a day-long siege against the US embassy in Kabul, have been compared with special forces operations and enraged both Washington and Kabul. Last weekend, the bombing of a volleyball match in Afghanistan’s Paktika province, which killed 57 spectators, was blamed by Afghan officials on the Haqqani Network.

Even though Pakistan launched a major operation this summer to seize back control of North Waziristan, US officials were convinced the Haqqani Network was being spared while groups fighting against the Pakistani state were attacked.

Earlier this month, an official report by the Pentagon accused Pakistan of using militant groups, including the Haqqani Network, as “proxy forces to hedge against the loss of influence in Afghanistan and to counter India’s superior military”.

Tuesday’s development follows a dramatic thawing in relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan, which culminated on 14 November with the visit of newly elected Afghan president, Ashraf Ghani, to Islamabad]. Ghani claimed the talks had “overcome obstacles of 13 years in three days” – a reference to the turbulent rule of his predecessor, Hamid Karzai, who deeply distrusted Pakistan.

President Ghani made a series of major concessions to Pakistan, which Karzai always resisted, including an agreement to let Pakistan train and equip some Afghan soldiers.

Islamabad, with its longstanding desire to limit the influence of arch-enemy India in Afghanistan, was also pleased by Ghani’s decisions to turn down an offer of Indian military assistance.

The two sides also agreed to set up a system to manage their joint border, a move Karzai resisted for fear of formally recognising the so-called Durand Line that Afghan nationalists claim gave away huge amounts of their territory when Britain drew it up in the 19th century.

Diplomats say the Afghans also agreed to fight members of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) who have taken up sanctuary in eastern Afghanistan.

On Tuesday, Pakistani intelligence sources also claimed that a US drone strike inside Afghan territory killed a number of TTP fighters and narrowly missed the movement’s leader, Mullah Falzullah.

Yousafzai said another reason for the targeting of Haqqani was its alliance with Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a militant leader who for years was protected by a formal pact with Pakistan in return for agreeing not to attack the state.

The two sides have since fallen out and last week the group claimed responsibility for a deadly attack on security forces in Dattakhel that killed five soldiers including a senior officer.

Pakistan air strikes target Haqqani insurgents | World news | The Guardian
 
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Pakistan air strikes target Haqqani insurgents

Attack on militants accused of cross-border attacks on US forces may signal major shift in Pakistan’s attitude to Afghanistan

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An insurgent group known for its deadly attacks on US forces in Afghanistan has been targeted by Pakistani military aircraft in what is believed to be the first such strike on a group long accused of enjoying the secret backing of Pakistan’s army.


In what might herald a major shift in Pakistan’s attitude to Afghanistan, military and intelligence officials said seven members of the Haqqani Network were among 20 militants killed by air strikes.

Officials said the strikes, carried out by a jet and an attack helicopter, were launched against hideouts belonging to both the Haqqani Network and an allied group run by militant warlord Hafiz Gul Bahadur.

The bases were in the Dattakhel area of North Waziristan, the tribal agency that for years has been a secure staging ground for militants launching attacks inside Afghanistan.

Rahimullah Yousafzai, a veteran observer of the combustible borderlands between Pakistan and Afghanistan, cautioned that there was no way to verify whether the off-the-record claims made by intelligence officials were true.

However, it was significant that they should want to take credit for killing Haqqani fighters.

“Definitely if Haqqani Network people are killed that is really something the US and Afghan governments would like to hear,” he said.

Some of the Haqqani Network’s daring and sophisticated attacks, including a day-long siege against the US embassy in Kabul, have been compared with special forces operations and enraged both Washington and Kabul. Last weekend, the bombing of a volleyball match in Afghanistan’s Paktika province, which killed 57 spectators, was blamed by Afghan officials on the Haqqani Network.

Even though Pakistan launched a major operation this summer to seize back control of North Waziristan, US officials were convinced the Haqqani Network was being spared while groups fighting against the Pakistani state were attacked.

Earlier this month, an official report by the Pentagon accused Pakistan of using militant groups, including the Haqqani Network, as “proxy forces to hedge against the loss of influence in Afghanistan and to counter India’s superior military”.

Tuesday’s development follows a dramatic thawing in relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan, which culminated on 14 November with the visit of newly elected Afghan president, Ashraf Ghani, to Islamabad]. Ghani claimed the talks had “overcome obstacles of 13 years in three days” – a reference to the turbulent rule of his predecessor, Hamid Karzai, who deeply distrusted Pakistan.

President Ghani made a series of major concessions to Pakistan, which Karzai always resisted, including an agreement to let Pakistan train and equip some Afghan soldiers.

Islamabad, with its longstanding desire to limit the influence of arch-enemy India in Afghanistan, was also pleased by Ghani’s decisions to turn down an offer of Indian military assistance.

The two sides also agreed to set up a system to manage their joint border, a move Karzai resisted for fear of formally recognising the so-called Durand Line that Afghan nationalists claim gave away huge amounts of their territory when Britain drew it up in the 19th century.

Diplomats say the Afghans also agreed to fight members of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) who have taken up sanctuary in eastern Afghanistan.

On Tuesday, Pakistani intelligence sources also claimed that a US drone strike inside Afghan territory killed a number of TTP fighters and narrowly missed the movement’s leader, Mullah Falzullah.

Yousafzai said another reason for the targeting of Haqqani was its alliance with Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a militant leader who for years was protected by a formal pact with Pakistan in return for agreeing not to attack the state.

The two sides have since fallen out and last week the group claimed responsibility for a deadly attack on security forces in Dattakhel that killed five soldiers including a senior officer.

Pakistan air strikes target Haqqani insurgents | World news | The Guardian




A modern nation state cannot survive by "making deals" with militants living within its borders. deals that allow militants to continue using large caliber weapons and lethal force.


Therefore Pakistan must crush these guys and pulverize them,
If not

then the militants will continue killing our civilians and soldiers and then number of our dead will continue going up way beyond 50,000 dead so far.
 
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A modern nation state cannot survive by "making deals" with militants living within its borders. deals that allow militants to continue using large caliber weapons and lethal force.


Therefore Pakistan must crush these guys and pulverize them,
If not

then the militants will continue killing our civilians and soldiers and then number of our dead will continue going up way beyond 50,000 dead so far.

How much can we afford to piss off the Afghan Pashtuns is the biggest elephant in the room , 'bomb em' brigade like you ain't even willing to talk about. We need to engage them but very carefully.
 
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How much can we afford to piss off the Afghan Pashtuns is the biggest elephant in the room , 'bomb em' brigade like you ain't even willing to talk about. We need to engage them but very carefully.

Afghan Pashtuns?
 
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We must maintain relations with all ethnic groups in Pakistan, we are also beginning to make broad our influence, feelers have been sent out to the Tajik, Turkmen and Hazara people.
 
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Afghan Pashtuns?

Who are the belligerents representing Afghan Pashtuns in the battlefield against Kabul govt and foreign forces?
Afghan Pashtuns are STILL not properly represented in the new govt and the entire ANA is basically Northern Alliance militia in uniform. Whether you like it or not, the Haqqanis, Hizb-e-Islami and Mullah Omar has genuine support from Afghan Pashtuns. We cannot antagonize them too much since they are already marginalized from Kabul. We need to find a political solution to this problem on top of force application if and when its the last resort. America is going to leave, we are here for ever. We need to think ahead not by 10 years but by a 100. Pissing off Afghan Pashtuns beyond a certain limit is going to be last thing we can afford.

@Hyperion @farhan_9909 > Carry on
 
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@engineer saad Yesterday, I was telling you that Pakistan Army need's to eliminate both Good and Bad Terrorist to eliminate Terrorism from Pakistan, else it will prevail. See, Pakistan Air force Pounding your Good Terrorist. :enjoy:
 
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A modern nation state cannot survive by "making deals" with militants living within its borders. deals that allow militants to continue using large caliber weapons and lethal force.


Therefore Pakistan must crush these guys and pulverize them,
If not

then the militants will continue killing our civilians and soldiers and then number of our dead will continue going up way beyond 50,000 dead so far.

Sir,

Allow me please-----I would like to give it a twist---a nation must be able to make deals with these people---but it needs to learn to turn on a dime in a different direction in an instant.

I mean to say---as the muslim know how to divorce by saying it three time---same thing with these guys.

As for the afg Pashtuns---they either need to shape up or ship out----that is what we have been worrying about for the last 12 years---walking on egg shells about our afghan Pashtuns---. Now is the time to smash all the trouble makers---regardless of who they are---.
 
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@engineer saad Yesterday, I was telling you that Pakistan Army need's to eliminate both Good and Bad Terrorist to eliminate Terrorism from Pakistan, else it will prevail. See, Pakistan Air force Pounding your Good Terrorist. :enjoy:

Bibi you can only eat as much you can digest. The so called 'good Taliban' have deep popular support in Afghanistan's majority Pashtuns. The minority farsi speakers already hate Pakistan to the gut. We would be totally stupid to antagonize the Pashtuns more than we can afford to. The Afghan Pashtuns generally if not in a majority still support Pakistan. Taking on the Haqqanis, Hikmatyar, Mullah Omar and others of the same group will not be taken positively by the ordinary Afghan Pashtun because they think that if any belligerent is representing them in the Afghan powerplay both civil and military its them since the Kabul govt and ANA is ethnically imbalanced. This is our 'majboori' behind not taking on the so called 'good Taliban'.
 
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Bibi you can only eat as much you can digest. The so called 'good Taliban' have deep popular support in Afghanistan's majority Pashtuns. The minority farsi speakers already hate Pakistan to the gut. We would be totally stupid to antagonize the Pashtuns more than we can afford to. The Afghan Pashtuns generally if not in a majority still support Pakistan. Taking on the Haqqanis, Hikmatyar, Mullah Omar and others of the same group will not be taken positively by the ordinary Afghan Pashtun because they think that if any belligerent is representing them in powerplay both civil and military its them. This is our 'majboori' behind not taking on the so called 'good Taliban'.


The Tabs have been warned in no uncertain terms that - any collaboration with any of our domestic militant outfits, will make them the same, and therefore both will be regarded as enemies of the state.

Once confirmation by Signals Intelligence or Human - there will be fire and brimstone on their heads, just ask HGB.

Also all foreign groups will not be allowed to stay in country, the Pakistani Armed Forces with Official backing - will strive to bring under sovereignty all Pakistani territories till the last border post, and to bring FATA into the mainstream.

Eventually making it the same as any other part of Pakistan.
 
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Afghan Pashtuns are STILL not properly represented in the new govt and the entire ANA is basically Northern Alliance militia in uniform.
OK. So they need to move their @rses back to Afghanistan side instead of killing and maiming and spreading anarchy in Pakistan.
 
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Sir,

Allow me please-----I would like to give it a twist---a nation must be able to make deals with these people---but it needs to learn to turn on a dime in a different direction in an instant.

I mean to say---as the muslim know how to divorce by saying it three time---same thing with these guys.

As for the afg Pashtuns---they either need to shape up or ship out----that is what we have been worrying about for the last 12 years---walking on egg shells about our afghan Pashtuns---. Now is the time to smash all the trouble makers---regardless of who they are---.


Well said bro.




I like when you say "We have been walking on egg shells about Afghan Pashtuns...". Enough of those shells.



Well said!
 
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Bibi you can only eat as much you can digest. The so called 'good Taliban' have deep popular support in Afghanistan's majority Pashtuns. The minority farsi speakers already hate Pakistan to the gut. We would be totally stupid to antagonize the Pashtuns more than we can afford to. The Afghan Pashtuns generally if not in a majority still support Pakistan. Taking on the Haqqanis, Hikmatyar, Mullah Omar and others of the same group will not be taken positively by the ordinary Afghan Pashtun because they think that if any belligerent is representing them in the Afghan powerplay both civil and military its them since the Kabul govt and ANA is ethnically imbalanced. This is our 'majboori' behind not taking on the so called 'good Taliban'.

Please pardon my Ignorance. I don't post in such threads, as I'm navie about the subject. The member whom I tagged cherishes the acts of certain terrorist groups, including Haqqanis. I believe, if in a Country; certain section of society support and justify there acts, that society can't overcome the biggest hurdle it is facing which is Terrorism.

Pakistan has already lost Hundreds of Soldiers and Citizens in war against Terror. It will continue to bleed in future, if people like enginer saad endorse their actions....I didn't had/have any ill intent and was only thinking of betterment of Pakistan. These Terrorist, in no time can go against Pakistan.
 
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