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How you feelin about $1000 handouts??
What u gonna spend it on??
Cali is pretty expensive. I wonder what you can get in a $1000 in Cali.
Hi,

I got my focus back today---yesterday I was busy looking for groceries---only found 1 dozen eggs and a gallon bottle of milk---.

See---in the video the guy is just making a mould---a mould for just general use---.

So---leaving aside the making of the carbon fibre before moulding it to the shape you need---we won't talk about that---.

When you are making carbon fiber for fighter aircraft skin---the process is very high quality control intensive---. Then you have testing done on the material to see the longevity of your mould and wear and tear factor over a period of time---.

One of the biggest concern in using carbon fiber is that testing for micro cracks is not easy---.

An interesting 207 page thesis if someone wants to read it---.

Bottomline---carbon Fiber is wonderful but not without issues---. It is very cost and labor intensive---.

For paf---nothing works like the conventional Aluminum skin---.

But for stepping into the 21st century---one has to use the Carbon Fiber just to show that we use it---we know how to use it---we know how to manage and maintain it---and generally speaking---it is a good selling tool that we are a modern aircraft manufacturer---.
 
Hi,

I got my focus back today---yesterday I was busy looking for groceries---only found 1 dozen eggs and a gallon bottle of milk---.

See---in the video the guy is just making a mould---a mould for just general use---.

So---leaving aside the making of the carbon fibre before moulding it to the shape you need---we won't talk about that---.

When you are making carbon fiber for fighter aircraft skin---the process is very high quality control intensive---. Then you have testing done on the material to see the longevity of your mould and wear and tear factor over a period of time---.

One of the biggest concern in using carbon fiber is that testing for micro cracks is not easy---.

An interesting 207 page thesis if someone wants to read it---.

Bottomline---carbon Fiber is wonderful but not without issues---. It is very cost and labor intensive---.

For paf---nothing works like the conventional Aluminum skin---.

But for stepping into the 21st century---one has to use the Carbon Fiber just to show that we use it---we know how to use it---we know how to manage and maintain it---and generally speaking---it is a good selling tool that we are a modern aircraft manufacturer---.


If you check out youtube there are a lot of carbon fiber parts being built, starting with the mold. Let's assume I don't know what I am talking about, why would Burt Rutan, one of the most celebrated aircraft designers in the last 40 years, say what he said? See quote in my last post. Think about it.

I worked on a project where I got to meet the CNS of a navy lets say from a third world asian country. The guy running the project had a relative in the higher up of the navy. He and the team pretended to be a Canadian defense contractor (and made me the American subsidiary of their pretended company).

We presented a comprehensive base security solution and had to pretend to source everything from "the West" just so as to wow these Macauley's children. This was going to cost millions and millions of dollars, for products that the country really didn't need.

Some of the products included items that could have easily been built locally. For instance, electrified concertina wires. Basically, two spirals of wire, one interior, which has a current going through it, and one exterior. Between them are plastic bits that keep the two wires apart. I convinced the boss to have this locally built, designed the specs and viola, we did it at 1/100th the cost. That's 1/100.

And I am not even an engineer.

Imagine the insanity going on in these countries. Just mad mad garbage. Now, you can deny and imagine all this doesn't happen in Pakistan, but that would just be being an ostrich really.

The scale of incompetence, ego, nepotism and corruption is incredible. Should we all remember PShamim at least? At least he was a PAF officer who had the guts to admit what he did. How many are not telling you the truth?

We all know how difficult the JFT was to start. But one of the greatest difficulties came from within the PAF and still continues today in the form of an F-16 mafia. Do I really need to explain all of this?
 
If you check out youtube there are a lot of carbon fiber parts being built, starting with the mold. Let's assume I don't know what I am talking about, why would Burt Rutan, one of the most celebrated aircraft designers in the last 40 years, say what he said? See quote in my last post. Think about it.

I worked on a project where I got to meet the CNS of a navy lets say from a third world asian country. The guy running the project had a relative in the higher up of the navy. He and the team pretended to be a Canadian defense contractor (and made me the American subsidiary of their pretended company).

We presented a comprehensive base security solution and had to pretend to source everything from "the West" just so as to wow these Macauley's children. This was going to cost millions and millions of dollars, for products that the country really didn't need.

Some of the products included items that could have easily been built locally. For instance, electrified concertina wires. Basically, two spirals of wire, one interior, which has a current going through it, and one exterior. Between them are plastic bits that keep the two wires apart. I convinced the boss to have this locally built, designed the specs and viola, we did it at 1/100th the cost. That's 1/100.

And I am not even an engineer.

Imagine the insanity going on in these countries. Just mad mad garbage. Now, you can deny and imagine all this doesn't happen in Pakistan, but that would just be being an ostrich really.

The scale of incompetence, ego, nepotism and corruption is incredible. Should we all remember PShamim at least? At least he was a PAF officer who had the guts to admit what he did. How many are not telling you the truth?

We all know how difficult the JFT was to start. But one of the greatest difficulties came from within the PAF and still continues today in the form of an F-16 mafia. Do I really need to explain all of this?
What did pshamim do?
 
is PAF involved in the Chinese J-31 program as partner?

I think PAF should eventually procure a good deal of JF-17s and make it 70+% of the fleet.

But with all that PAF should not avoid thinking about fighters from other regions to add to the capability:
  • JAS-39 E/F Grippen
  • SU-57
  • F-16s Block-70s
  • J-20 / J-31
 
Pshamim was a lockmart representative for Pakistan. However it needs to be understood that he retired from PAF well before he joined Lockheed.
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I remember that name from old PDF forum didn’t know he was old PAF and LM is he still active here ?
 
I don't get why carbon fiber materials are a issue. Its a common material and used in JF-17 structure wherever needed. Only the Indian's bragged about it because it was a over marketed term for the Tejas.

PAC Kamra has aviation grade carbon composite manufacturing tech that was first acquired when we bought TOT for the Falco UAVs and PAC is a co producer meaning it supplies components back to the original manufacturer. Falco UAVs are old news so the infrastructure must have enhanced now. Likewise China has pretty advanced material tech and when we buy TOTs we get it in Pakistan. No need to waste time discussing it.

https://www.pac.org.pk/amf
"AMF decided to venture in manufacturing of unmanned aerial vehicles through the latest carbon composite material. PAF after a comprehensive operational & technical evaluation process decided for establishment of FALCO UAV manufacturing facility at AMF. During the first phase, eight FALCO UAVs were received in form of semi-assembled kits . The Final assembly and system integration of these UAVs was successfully accomplished at AMF PAC Kamra under the supervision of OEM in 2007-2008 timeframe. During the same time period, state of the art equipment was also purchased to start co-production activities. After commissioning of the equipment and training on parts manufacturing, the newly established manufacturing facility was qualified by OEM to manufacture FALCO UAVs on European Quality Standards."

I remember there being a video of it and there was news of Turkey interested in collaboration with PAC to use Pakistan's manufacturing capability to boost overall production for aviation products.
 
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I remember that name from old PDF forum didn’t know he was old PAF and LM is he still active here ?
He had severe eye problems and was pretty senior then. I hope he is well, but we have not had any contact with him for 5 years at least.
 
Guess Who.

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Even if not confirmed yet, this particular JF-17 with the serial no. 2P-60 - aka the 60th Block 2 aircraft built - is said to be the first for Nigeria.

(Image via Zohaib Malik via FB) https://t.co/o00flTN9rf
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Also interesting, they are said to be named 'Neelum' aka 'Blue Sapphire' similar to those to Myanmar are called 'Ruby'.

By the way, here was 2P-60 also spotted together with 2P-61. Is this one also for Nigeria?

(Image via GriffinsRule/PDF) https://t.co/fZ1FLrNNLX
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