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[Ultima Thule]

I was thinking what Pakistan can really do with is a VTOL striker and bomber. It makes sense as you dont need runways for it. In a time of war runways will be decimated, I know that other roads can become runways but VTOL can eliminate the need for one.

but VTOL means very high maintenance cost , Bombers NO but fighter bombers or deep strike jets in class of Su-34/F-15E/J-16 then THE ANSWER is YES

 

[Bossman]

I was thinking what Pakistan can really do with is a VTOL striker and bomber. It makes sense as you dont need runways for it. In a time of war runways will be decimated, I know that other roads can become runways but VTOL can eliminate the need for one.

Stupid! By the time Pakistan gets to that it will be to late.

 

[Path-Finder]

but VTOL means very high maintenance cost , Bombers NO but fighter bombers or deep strike jets in class of Su-34/F-15E/J-16 then THE ANSWER is YES

maintenance is only a major issue if spares and appropriate personnel needed to maintain/service are not locally available.

Stupid!

why hurt my feelings

 

[aliyusuf]

I was thinking what Pakistan can really do with is a VTOL striker and bomber. It makes sense as you dont need runways for it. In a time of war runways will be decimated, I know that other roads can become runways but VTOL can eliminate the need for one.

Nobody can deny the utility of VTOL/STOL/STOVL aircraft. But this utility comes at a price of expending extra fuel to attain lift or to land on engine power without or minimal wing support. This means limitation in time on station or combat range. AA-Refueling would defeat the purpose of having VTOL aircraft ... because that would mean that there is dependency on airfields as the AA-Refueler aircraft itself is airfield dependent. A sort of a catch 22 situation. Only place where VTOL aircraft make true sense are aircraft carriers. Harrier GR.1 of the RAF entered service in 1969 and today only the AV-8B Harrier-II and the F-35B STOVL fighters of these special type are in service. Also such aircraft are very maintenance insensitive and Harriers's high attrition rate has not helped the cause of this type.

 

[Bossman]

why hurt my feelings

Are you a sissy boy that your feelings get hurt so easily?

 

[Path-Finder]

Nobody can deny the utility of VTOL/STOL/STOVL aircraft. But this utility comes at a price of expending extra fuel to attain lift or to land on engine power without or minimal wing support. This means limitation in time on station or combat range. AA-Refueling would defeat the purpose of having VTOL aircraft ... because that would mean that there is dependency on airfields as the AA-Refueler aircraft itself is airfield dependent. A sort of a catch 22 situation. Only place where VTOL aircraft make true sense are aircraft carriers. Harrier GR.1 of the RAF entered service in 1969 and today only the AV-8B Harrier-II and the F-35B STOVL fighters of these special type are in service. Also such aircraft are very maintenance insensitive and Harriers's high attrition rate has not helped the cause of this type.

I am not talking about harrier jump jet those were of a bygone era I am talking about the new entries into it! F35 VTOL and onwards even China is looking at it Russia is going to revive it too. from Pakistan's perspectives they can play a role in air defence and denial of air superiority in our territory among other roles. As for expensive well name one thing that is not maintain/cost savvy?

Are you a sissy boy that your feelings get hurt so easily.

does talking about VTOL upset you?

 

[Ultima Thule]

I am not talking about harrier jump jet those were of a bygone era I am talking about the new entries into it! F35 VTOL and onwards even China is looking at it Russia is going to revive it too. from Pakistan's perspectives they can play a role in air defence and denial of air superiority in our territory among other roles. As for expensive well name one thing that is not maintain/cost savvy?

Compare to traditional jet VTOL/STOL is more maintenance prone and costly range is limited because of extra gear on the fuselage for STOL

 

[aliyusuf]

I am not talking about harrier jump jet those were of a bygone era I am talking about the new entries into it! F35 VTOL and onwards even China is looking at it Russia is going to revive it too. from Pakistan's perspectives they can play a role in air defence and denial of air superiority in our territory among other roles. As for expensive well name one thing that is not maintain/cost savvy?

I savvy. F-35s are off limits to us, in any of it's variants. Apart from the F-35B, there are no other VTOL fighter in production.

VOTL comes at a price on range, performance and mission load.

Fighter engine technology need a leap based on which VTOL become feasible.

 

[Path-Finder]

Compare to traditional jet VTOL/STOL is more maintenance prone and costly range is limited because of extra gear on the fuselage for STOL

I am not talking about old VTOL they were made in an era before modern CAD/CAM existed. So many technical issues that existed in those aircraft are should not present with advances made in many spheres of knowledge and technical know how.

anyway its just a suggestion not meant to upset some people.

I savvy. F-35s are off limits to us, in any of it's variants. Apart from the F-35B, there are no other VTOL fighter in production.

VOTL comes at a price on range, performance and mission load.

Fighter engine technology need a leap based on which VTOL become feasible.

F35 is a good test bed which uses Yak design bureaus principles onboard. The basis exists and it has worked in the shape of F35. Not saying to pursue F35!! Like F16 is a gateway to JF17 vice versa.

I am thinking of VTOL from Pakistan's prospects. Territory wise our enemy is on our doorstep and the distance is extremely short for any mal intentions in materialising. VTOL can be the very first line of defence to the last line of defence. Other fighters can do their job of necessary deep strike etc, but a VTOL will not be bound to terrain or weather for taking off.

again just a discussion/suggestion not trying to offend some people.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I am not talking about old VTOL they were made in an era before modern CAD/CAM existed. So many technical issues that existed in those aircraft are should not present with advances made in many spheres of knowledge and technical know how.

anyway its just a suggestion not meant to upset some people.


F35 is a good test bed which uses Yak design bureaus principles onboard. The basis exists and it has worked in the shape of F35. Not saying to pursue F35!! Like F16 is a gateway to JF17 vice versa.

I am thinking of VTOL from Pakistan's prospects. Territory wise our enemy is on our doorstep and the distance is extremely short for any mal intentions in materialising. VTOL can be the very first line of defence to the last line of defence. Other fighters can do their job of necessary deep strike etc, but a VTOL will not be bound to terrain or weather for taking off.

again just a discussion/suggestion not trying to offend some people.

Modern STOL jet more complex and maintenance intensive than previous STOL and very costly, you thinking are good but in full fledged war with our enemy these bases will be destroyed in minutes ( BM)

 

[fatman17]

Air-Launched Weapons
Pakistan test-launches longer-range variant of Ra’ad II ALCM
Gabriel Dominguez, London - Jane's Defence Weekly
19 February 2020



Pakistan announced on 18 February that it has test-launched a new variant of its Ra'ad II nuclear-capable, air-launched cruise missile (ALCM) with a range of 600 km.

A still from a low-resolution video provided by Pakistan's ISPR showing a PAF Mirage III fighter launching the latest variant of the Ra'ad II ALCM with a range of 600 km. (ISPR)

In a statement, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), the media wing of the Pakistani military, said that the 600 km range of the new missile "significantly enhances" the PAF's "air-delivered strategic stand-off capability on land and at sea".

The new missile variant, which was shown in a low-resolution video being launched from a Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Mirage III fighter aircraft, "is equipped with state-of-the-art guidance and navigation systems ensuring engagement of targets with high precision", said the ISPR, referring to the weapon system as "a major step towards complementing Pakistan's deterrence capability".

Rare Erieye

 

[Talon]

-write something with substance in it---.

Dekho to keh kon raha..!

 

[Windjammer]

 

[ghazi52]

1969: Tail of an Indian Canberra bomber shot down in the 1965 war and exhibited here on public display in Sahiwal, Punjab

Somebody is mentioning that it was Given back to India by B. Bhutto. Or may be stolen.

 

[SD 10]

1969: Tail of an Indian Canberra bomber shot down in the 1965 war and exhibited here on public display in Sahiwal, Punjab

Somebody is mentioning that it was Given back to India by B. Bhutto. Or may be stolen.

No i am from Sahiwal. It was there for a long time and then due to no maintenance it got rusty, so district management throw it away. But everyone know the story. Its still jahaz chowk