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[Thorough Pro]

Why do we need to divulge all the details of secret equipment and confidential deals?

 

[alee92nawaz]

Ek

Slightly off topic but worth sharing..

In a recent conversation, a GDP friend revealed that the jf-17 houses undisclosed EW package from a European country. The block 2 version had the f-16 blk 52 in trouble multiple times during BVR mock simulations. At the moment, thunder pilots are having an upper hand over the blk 52 jockeys in terms of A-A kills.

Elaborate on this more please. Explain bit more if possible

 

[Dazzler]

Ek

Elaborate on this more please. Explain bit more if possible

Not possible, shared all i was told.

 

[fatman17]

Slightly off topic but worth sharing..

In a recent conversation, a GDP friend revealed that the jf-17 houses undisclosed EW package from a European country. The block 2 version had the f-16 blk 52 in trouble multiple times during BVR mock simulations. At the moment, thunder pilots are having an upper hand over the blk 52 jockeys in terms of A-A kills.

Italy

 

[Dazzler]

Italy

Must be from Leonardo?

 

[Chimgathar]

 

[The Eagle]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1033982180517715974

 

[fatman17]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1033693138710409216

JF17 in Poland

 

[araz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1033693138710409216

JF17 in Poland

Yuk na shud do shud! I did not know there would be 2 of them. Nyways it is a good diplomatic gesture and will raise the international profile of the JFT.
A

 

[Thorough Pro]

To be honest there was nothing "dazzling" in Thunder's flying display it was rather mediocre at best. It was disappointing to see the same run they have been doing since their first appearance in China in 2010. Compare the thunder manoeuvring with Grippen in the same show. While the Grippen seems to be in a constant manoeuver smoothly transitioning from one manoeuver to the other in a tight envelope, Thunder, on the other hand, does a 5 mile run to show one mediocre left turn, then another 5 mile run to show inverted flight, then another 5 mile run to show a climb etc. Not sure it's the jet or the pilot or maybe both. Instead of trying to appear like Tom Cruise, PAF pilots should up their game and let their manoeuvering and plane handling do the talking.

JAS39 Grippen

JF17 Thunder

 

[fatman17]

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

They are brought up in rote learning Pakistani school. And their parents live in a different century so these Pakistani pilots dont have enough freedom of thought for them to be able to able to take the initiative and pioneer something new.

To be honest there was nothing "dazzling" in Thunder's flying display it was rather mediocre at best. It was disappointing to see the same run they have been doing since their first appearance in China in 2010. Compare the thunder manoeuvring with Grippen in the same show. While the Grippen seems to be in a constant manoeuver smoothly transitioning from one manoeuver to the other in a tight envelop, Thunder on the other hand does a 5 mile run to show one mediocre left turn, then another 5 mile run to show inverted flight, then another 5 mile run to show a climb etc. Not sure it's the jet or the pilot or maybe both. Instead of trying to appear like Tom Cruise, PAF pilots should up their game and let their manoeuvering and plane handling do the talking.

JAS39 Grippen

JF17 Thunder

 

[Thorough Pro]

Nah, I don't think that's the reason.

They are brought up in rote learning Pakistani school. And their parents live in a different century so these Pakistani pilots dont have enough freedom of thought for them to be able to able to take the initiative and pioneer something new.

 

[CriticalThought]

To be honest there was nothing "dazzling" in Thunder's flying display it was rather mediocre at best. It was disappointing to see the same run they have been doing since their first appearance in China in 2010. Compare the thunder manoeuvring with Grippen in the same show. While the Grippen seems to be in a constant manoeuver smoothly transitioning from one manoeuver to the other in a tight envelope, Thunder, on the other hand, does a 5 mile run to show one mediocre left turn, then another 5 mile run to show inverted flight, then another 5 mile run to show a climb etc. Not sure it's the jet or the pilot or maybe both. Instead of trying to appear like Tom Cruise, PAF pilots should up their game and let their manoeuvering and plane handling do the talking.

JAS39 Grippen

JF17 Thunder

My Polish friend disagrees. He took a look and went "That's cool".

That said, the display will always be scripted and limited. Such is the nature of displays by professionals. I really want to see a mock dogfight between Thunder and Viper as the display - not gonna happen!

 

[ghazi52]