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[FunkyPeace12]

nice info thanks for update! will look towards next months

 

[Aamir Hussain]

US Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair told the house Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence February 3 2010, that from what we see of...measures that they take, Pakistan is keeping it's nuclear weapon secure. (Page 4)
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:m-HagfV8yNIJ:www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL34248.pdf+pentagon+has+plans+to+secure+pak+nukes&hl=en&gl=pk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgnYTECzFqY4JFbJ9MWSqwNggFfz9HTLQ1Q3XxlnVZyYYRXGbwuZolZcMm80wHrfgIyO7aqqRNnLG7HCh6lowOBKjiPC3J3tg0mpNR5LMO6YwZ1Ih3_xFCIm64BWYK-JUtWEs6G&sig=AHIEtbQJBnBe1GKbfMJ--x41XEoCqOSKmw

Sir the question is not about location. The question here is that whether Pakistan and it's authorities know to what extent USA is monitoring it. If the answer to that question in NO than surely there are all kinds of reason to believe if some one says that there is a contingency plan for our nukes.The fact that Pakistan air force cannot able to intercept RQ 170 Sentinel during all those days only strengthens these sorts of beliefs.

I am sure SPD would presume the wors tand then plan accordingly.

On another note, the time to take out our nuks have come and gone -- now no one can safely take out all our nukes, engineers, scientists, blue prints, etc. The cost of even missing one is too high. One can not stop the other side from not planning, both India amd US can make plans and run scenarios but the fact remains that on ground, it is now next to impossible.

It is convenient for some quarters to keep the scare there to continue to fund the sustanance and additional funding. Our Nuclear "Asasay" are slowly becoming another Kashmir like issue.

 

[Dazzler]

They have planned hard to take our nuke "eggs" but since they are not sure themselves of the exact location, their fear of a serious retaliation from Pak Armed forces has pushed them at bay. If they had a slightest of hint of the primary location, they would have done it many years ago. Agreed with AH, the consequences of leaving even a single "egg" is nothing short of a nightmare as an angry Pakistan is something no one in the modern world would want.

 

[SBD-3]

I am sure SPD would presume the wors tand then plan accordingly.

On another note, the time to take out our nuks have come and gone -- now no one can safely take out all our nukes, engineers, scientists, blue prints, etc. The cost of even missing one is too high. One can not stop the other side from not planning, both India amd US can make plans and run scenarios but the fact remains that on ground, it is now next to impossible.

It is convenient for some quarters to keep the scare there to continue to fund the sustanance and additional funding. Our Nuclear "Asasay" are slowly becoming another Kashmir like issue.

Just to add, I was reading somewhere that even to date Israelis still practice regularly for such a scenario, some people argue that its against Iran but who knows.

 

[SBD-3]

They have planned hard to take our nuke "eggs" but since they are not sure themselves of the exact location, their fear of a serious retaliation from Pak Armed forces has pushed them at bay. If they had a slightest of hint of the primary location, they would have done it many years ago. Agreed with AH, the consequences of leaving even a single "egg" is nothing short of a nightmare as an angry Pakistan is something no one in the modern world would want.

It would not be a filmi scenario of sunjay dutt entering kahuta and taking away the nuclear device the most logical thing for any such course of action would be neutralization of such facilities with hope that stockpile is contained within them. However, there is a big but, doing this would be a open declaration of war and there will be retaliation from Pakistan with possible nuke stockpile....Had this not been the case and Pakistan's program would have been in initial stages, Americans would have certainly done so since they enjoy conventional supremacy vis-a-vis Pakistan.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Just to add, I was reading somewhere that even to date Israelis still practice regularly for such a scenario, some people argue that its against Iran but who knows.

We can not stop people from practicing for their dreams. But that date has come and gone. Everyone knows it fully well. The issue is just not the nukes but also the plans for building one, the scientists and technicians - can they get rid of all of these things? No one can and, both US an Israel along with India knows this very well.

It us who degrade our status by keep on discussing this endlessly out in the open. These things, of this magnitude are not discussed in eveningers or reported on by stringers.

This is serious stuff and we send jitters up every one's spine when we disucss these things as if it was some candy we are talking about.

The greater danger is not from the outside but from the inside. It is not with our nukes but with our state of economy, governance, and vision. May be Kidwai Sahib should now be allowed to focus on reinventing the government;-)

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

keep it up

 

[fatman17]

The fact that Pakistan air force cannot able to intercept RQ 170 Sentinel during all those days only strengthens these sorts of beliefs.

says who and when did this happen?

 

[SQ8]

The fact that Pakistan air force cannot able to intercept RQ 170 Sentinel during all those days only strengthens these sorts of beliefs.

says who and when did this happen?

Say the inspirations for most posts by our neighbors and other detractors.

 

[Mazharrafiq]

nice information

 

[fatman17]

PAKISTAN AIR FORCE


Type.............................. Active..... Ordered

Combat aircraft
F-7................................. 143
F-16A/C............................ 36
JF-17 ................................29.......... 70
Mirage IIIEL/EP/OF/RP.......... 80
Mirage 5EF/F/PA.................. 85

Special mission
Falcon 20 (EW).................... 2
Saab 2000 (AEW)................. 4
ZDK-03 (AEW)..................... 4

Tanker
Il-78.................................. 3

Transport
C-130B/E/L-100................... 16
CN-235................................ 3

Combat helicopter
AB205.................................. 5
IAR316................................. 4
Mi-35.................................. 10

Training aircraft/helicopters
F-16B/D............................... 27
FT-5.................................... 25
FT-6..................................... 9
FT-7..................................... 7
K-8..................................... 39
Mirage IIIBE/BL/D/DP.............. 19
Mirage 5DPA........................... 2
SA316.................................. 10
Saab 2000.............................. 1
T-37.................................... 18

PAKISTAN ARMY
Type.................................... Active.............. Ordered

Combat helicopter
AH-1F................................... 35
AS350.................................... 3
AS550................................... 20
Bell 206................................... 9
Bell 412.................................. 24........... 2+40*
Mi-8/17/172............................. 93
SA316..................................... 16
SA330..................................... 31

Training aircraft/helicopters
Bell 206..................................... 9

PAKISTAN NAVY
Type....................................... Active................. Ordered

Special mission
ATL-1 (MPA)............................. 1
F27 (MPA)................................ 6
P-3C (MPA)............................... 3

Transport
F27......................................... 1

Combat helicopter
SA316...................................... 5
Sea King 45............................... 6
Z-9.......................................... 4................ 2


this is the latest position by Flight International on the PAF. IMHO, there are many 'errors' in this position - note the reporting of 10 Mi-35's in PAF inventory?

 

[SQ8]

FM.. why dont we edit this and put in the right numbers?

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Sir,

Special mission
Falcon 20 (EW).................... 2
Saab 2000 (AEW)................. 4
ZDK-03 (AEW)..................... 4

i guess we have 3 Erieye and 2 Karakuram Eagle.

Combat helicopter
AB205.................................. 5
IAR316................................. 4
Mi-35.................................. 10

Whats this ???

Special mission
ATL-1 (MPA)............................. 1
F27 (MPA)................................ 6
P-3C (MPA)............................... 3

i ve seen Two bird only flying at Faisla BAse Karachi, No third. and we have only one Atlantiq left which is quite embarrassing.

 

[maverick1977]

there are no Hind type helicopter ever seen flown by Army. But, yes i hav seen pictures on Pakaviation.com, of Hinds in PAF markings.

Here is the thrillinng news. Pakistan Army aviation flew out 2 Mi 24 hinds from afghanistan during the end of soviet war. I know it first hand as my uncle who was the CO of cobra helis in Multan was involved in this operation. what happend to those hinds, i am not sure!!!

 

[fatman17]

Here is the thrillinng news. Pakistan Army aviation flew out 2 Mi 24 hinds from afghanistan during the end of soviet war. I know it first hand as my uncle who was the CO of cobra helis in Multan was involved in this operation. what happend to those hinds, i am not sure!!!

parked at samugli AB - Quetta for lack of spares!