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Alan Warnes‏@warnesyworld
Quite incredibly I bumped into an Iraqi AF pilot at Risalpur who I had met twice at RAF Cranwell in 2011. He had spent a year with 45 Sqn.6:50 am - 12 Feb 2015



Alan Warnes‏@warnesyworld
Always touched by genuine warmth of Pak people. Wherever I go, they are always great fun and hospitable. A far cry from country's image.

Are the Iraqi's here for F-16 training?

Would be interesting if Alan Warnes did a whole write up on the foreign cadets/pilots in Pakistan.

 

[Windjammer]

Are the Iraqi's here for F-16 training?

Would be interesting if Alan Warnes did a whole write up on the foreign cadets/pilots in Pakistan.

Na, more like Instructor pilot training since this particular Iraqi pilot spent a year with RAF's 45 Sqn, which is equipped with turboprop transport type aircraft.

 

[razgriz19]

Allan warnes In PAF Phenom 100

 

[fatman17]

Birds are an issue so is the security in populated areas. However since Masroor is a pre-partition era base, it was well outside the population centers then. But if you move Masroor, you will have to move other bases as well, for example Peshawar, Quetta, Multan (which is currently shared), Chaklala etc

Eventually.

 

[baukiki88]

EXCLUSIVE: China sells fighter jets to Argentina which are able to attack Falkland Islands
ARGENTINA is to purchase sophisticated Chinese fighter jets able to attack the Falkland Islands as part of a “strategic partnership” with Beijing.
Published: 00:01, Sun, February 15, 2015
By Marco Giannangeli

IG

Argentinian President, Kristina de Kirchner went to China last week to seal the deal
The move, which further raised tensions in the South Atlantic last night, follows a three-day visit by President Kristina de Kirchner to Beijing last week, in which Argentina secured 15 economic agreements and significant financial investment to bolster its failing economy.

It comes after a decision by Buenos Aires to abandon talks with Vladimir Putin to secure 12 Sukhoi Su-24 'Fencer" bombers, capable of reaching Port Stanley.

Last night sources told the Sunday Express that the deal with Russia, revealed by the Sunday Express in September, had stalled after a series of delays and concerns over post-sale maintenance.

However, that failure will see Argentina now take delivery of 20 of the most advanced fighter jets in the world.

Mrs Kirchner has constantly caused concern for the Foreign Office with her campaign to generate international political support for the islands to be returned to Argentina.

Last month the Ministry of Defence revealed that the Rapier air defence system currently based on Mount Pleasant to counter any potential air threat is to be upgraded, with sources adding that the “operational drumbeat” of routine deployments are also being increased.

China has pledged more than £162billion in investments for Latin America over the next five years, and has indicated that it will write off millions loaned several years ago, allowing nations like Argentina to rebuild their economies.

Crucially, the financial package includes military equipment to re-generate Argentina’s crippled air force which, over the past 18 months, has attempted to buy aircraft from Israel, Spain and, most recently, Moscow.

Argentina had been negotiating for Russian aircraft, but in fact the Fencers they were looking at are very outdated if you are looking to hold the Falklands, and they have a very poor record for aftersales service for customers

Justin Bronk, of the defence think-tank RUSI

In a "working group" formed by the two countries, Beijing agreed to supply around 20 FC-1/JF-17 "Thunder" fighter jets produced by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation.

The single-seat, single-engine, fighter has a top speed of Mach 1.8 at altitude of 55,000 ft and combat range of 840 miles, allowing it to comfortably fly to Port Stanley and back from the Tierra del Fuego air base in southern Argentina.

It will also carry a range of weapons including air-to-air missiles and laser guided bombs.

The collaboration will see China’s influence in the region soar as Beijing funds the projects such as the Cepernic Kirchner dams, the Belgrano Cargas railway and the Atucha nuclear plant will also generate more than 20,000 jobs.

A senior RAF source said: “The procurement of Chinese aircraft is worrying; they are modern, fast and very capable.

However, we have a robust capability in the Falklands and I imagine that de Kirchner is trying to reinforce her military to strengthen her foreign policy at the negotiating table."

Last night Justin Bronk, of the defence think-tank RUSI, said: “Argentina had been negotiating for Russian aircraft, but in fact the Fencers they were looking at are very outdated if you are looking to hold the Falklands, and they have a very poor record for aftersales service for customers.

“China’s JF-17 is based on the old Soviet Union’s Mig 21, the backbone to the Soviet air force, so it has excellent pedigree.

But it is cheaper than what Russia has to offer, brand new, and has a good reputation for being reliable and having an extremely wide armament fit.

“It is the non-Western equivalent to the Swedish Gripen, which Argentina originally tried to acquire through Brazil before the deal was stopped by Britain because it contained 30 per cent British parts.

“It would certainly allow Argentina’s air force to fly over Port Stanley, though it’s no match for RAF Typhoons and its pilots don’t have the asymmetrical training that RAF has.

In addition, we have the Type-45 destroyer which is the most formidable air defence destroyer in the world.

“This deal would give China the first proper export market for this new fighter jet, which has been developed with Pakistan, and it seems China is willing to offer Argentina very good finance terms.”

He added: “ There is definitely an aspect of trying to restore Argentinean martial pride, bearing in mind what an enormous issue the ‘Malvinas’ issue remains there.

For her to be able to say ‘we can hold the islands’ is vital for her.

“And while she is likely to be replaced by moderates when she steps down in October, it would be a mistake to think that this issue will go away.”

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[nomi007]

Did you know Pakistan and Turkey have an agreement to exchange their fighter pilots between the both countries.Both countries have conducted the joint military airwarfare exercises (Anatolian Eagle in turkey) and (Indus Viper in Pakistan).
During Israel and Turkey tensions the Pakistani fighter pilots were flying the Turkish F-16s to face the Israel airforce.

 

[Rocky rock]

Did you know Pakistan and Turkey have an agreement to exchange their fighter pilots between the both countries.Both countries have conducted the joint military airwarfare exercises (Anatolian Eagle in turkey) and (Indus Viper in Pakistan).
During Israel and Turkey tensions the Pakistani fighter pilots were flying the Turkish F-16s to face the Israel airforce.

Knows about the Arab Israel war but when did turkey confronted israel and Pakistan has sent their pilots there... any reliable source:..?

 

[IrbiS]

Did you know Pakistan and Turkey have an agreement to exchange their fighter pilots between the both countries.Both countries have conducted the joint military airwarfare exercises (Anatolian Eagle in turkey) and (Indus Viper in Pakistan).
During Israel and Turkey tensions the Pakistani fighter pilots were flying the Turkish F-16s to face the Israel airforce.

Knows about the Arab Israel war but when did turkey confronted israel and Pakistan has sent their pilots there... any reliable source:..?

2 pilots of each AF are flying with other at anytime. Their rotation period is 2 years. One on F-16 and one as IP training cadets. Flying against zionists, Zaid Hamid once mentioned that, still need concrete evidence?

 

[Gryphon]

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[fatman17]

INDUSTRY

Russia-Pakistan Deal May Lead to more defence sales.
Usman ansari



ISLAMABAD — A deal for Pakistan to directly import Russian engines for the JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighter will improve the program and may lead to more Russian-made parts for the aircraft, analysts .

News broke over the weekend that Pakistan would directly import the Klimov RD-93 engines from Russia rather than via China, which reportedly also supports the deal.

Kaiser Tufail, an analyst and former air commodore, said he believes the deal is significant on cost and political grounds.

"I think a direct deal with Russia for supply of the engines basically removes the Chinese middleman, resulting in cheaper procurement cost. It is also reflective of a thaw in what has been a frosty relationship with Russia over the past several decades," he said.

Considering the JF-17 is a Sino-Pakistani project, Tufail said: "China's approval of direct procurement from Russia is also significant, and can be seen as trilateral cooperation between the three countries, in which Pakistan enjoys a pivotal position."

Engine availability has always been a source of speculation for the JF-17 program — initially the lack of a Western-made powerplant — and whether Moscow would continue to supply the RD-93, leading Pakistan to look for an alternative.

An alternative does exist in the Chinese Guizhou WS-13, but analysts do not consider it yet to have matured. With the guaranteed availability of the RD-93, the only issue is whether a more powerful, and perhaps thrust-vectoring, variant may be adopted at a future date.

The European EJ200 is also being offered, but for potential customers such as Saudi Arabia.

Brian Cloughley, analyst and former Australia defense attache to Islamabad, said, "I think there is already examination of the means of upgrading the JF-17 in many ways, and it would be surprising if this did not include more powerful engines, and certainly an improved version of the RD-93 would be a sensible choice."

Cloughley said financing may be an issue, but it's something he said he believed politics will overcome. "As usual, it all comes down to cost — but Russia is cutting the price of its exported defense material in order to acquire and lock-in markets."

Cloughley also highlighted a perennial fear of sanctions for Pakistan that still shapes its policies. "This is yet another blowback effect of sanctions, and it may cost the west considerably in the long term."

However, Tufail questioned the need for the JF-17 needing a replacement engine.

"I believe it is a premature idea, as the current RD-93 is powerful enough, providing a thrust-to-weight ratio of almost 1:1," said Tufail.

"So far the engine has performed flawlessly, both from an operational and maintenance point of view, its relatively low [time between overhaul] notwithstanding. When the PAF eventually decides to replace the current engine, it would likely be on the TBO factor," he added.

Tufail explained that under present circumstances, the JF-17 may not be suited to a more powerful engine.

"It also needs to be understood that any thrust increase in an aircraft that is not amply endowed with a large internal fuel quantity is not a feasible option. The RD-93 is, therefore, likely to continue on the current version of the JF-17 for the foreseeable future," Tufail said.

Cloughley said the engine deal could lead to further Russian involvement in the JF-17. "I have no doubt that Moscow and Islamabad are looking at all sorts of equipment, and it would make sense for Pakistan to make deals — providing they are acceptable to China."

The engine deal could eventually lead to weapons deals, Tufail said.

"Over a long term, Russian weapons would surely come under consideration, but I believe for the time being, we won't get into retrofits," he said.

Tufail added: "These are effort intensive for they need time to iron out the interface glitches. For the next 5-7 years, the PAF would like the weapon system to mature, though I am sure studies of Russian weapons integration would surely get underway during this period."

 

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Couldn't believe the newspapers here ran with pix of the K-8s over Islamabad yesterday. I suppose it doesn't happen very often.

 

[nomi007]

Complete Names of Polish Officers and men who served PAF are as follows:
After independence of Pakistan in 1947, thirty Polish officers and technicians who served RAF in WWII joined PAF. Poland soon become a communist country. RPAF consisted of Tempest, Fury, Harvad, Auster, Tiger Moth , Bristol Freighter and Dakota aircraft which were all originated from RAF, Polish officers and men were trained in flying and maintenance of these aircraft.





A fine Polish officer Wladyslaw Turowicz rose to the rank of Air Cdre, he was appointed as ACAS (Maintenance). He became Pakistani citizen, and died in 1984.


PAF Museum, Faisal has a special section devoted to pay tribute to him. Following are pictures from the same section.

Wilhelm Adler, Władysław Augustynowicz, Władysław Banach,
Franciszek Berezowski, Wiktor Cepiński-Flegier, Mieczysław Ciesielski,
Wiktor Dobrzański, Stanisław Dudek, Henryk Franczak, Eugeniusz Gajewski,
Alfons Gluba, Mieczysław Gorzula, Stanisław Haczkiewicz,
Przemysław Hedinger, Roman Hrycak, Kajetan Ignatowski,
Zygmunt Jabłoński, Antoni Jędryszek, Bolesław Kaczmarek,
Witold Karol, Józef Kazimierczak, Ernest Keller,
Piotr Kłos, Antoni Kondrat, Józef Korczowski,
Zbigniew Kossakowski, Kazimierz Kozak,
Roman Kozik, Konstanty Krupowicz,
Henryk Kudliński, Michał Kulesza,
Stanisław Kurowski, Michał Kułagin, Henryk Kwiatkowski,
Kazimierz Leis, Stefan Maczulski, Mieczysław Maksymowicz,
Mieczysław Malinowski, Antoni Michalak,
Marian Michalak, Donat Mickiewicz, Maria Mikulska, Jan Mikulski,
Stanisław Miller, Konrad Muchowski, Mieczysław Muszyński, Wacław Niezręcki,
Bronisław Pianko, Antoni Polek, Tadeusz Południak, Henryk Raczkowski,

Edmund Sienkiewicz, Ignacy Sienkiewicz, Karol Sienkiewicz, Zdzisław Siwczyński,
Bohdan Sokół-Szahin, Stanisław Susz, Adam Szajdzicki,
Ludwik Świerzb, Czesław Tarkowski, Czesław Tarnowski,
Stefan Tronczyński, Władysław Turowicz,
Zofia Turowicz, Tadeusz Wodziński, Mieczysław Wolański,
Eugeniusz Zator, Czesław Zapaśnik,
Jerzy Zbierzchowski, Stefan Zygnerski, Julian Żuromski and Henryk Perkowicz

paf to need make a documentary on it

 

[IrbiS]

Middle row, second from the right W.Turowicz, third from right, his wife Z. Turowicz

paf to need make a documentary on it

A documentary film on the life and scientific work of Air Com. Wladyslaw Turowicz has been completed, directed by Anna T. Pietraszek, a Polish journalist and film maker with an honorary Pakistani citizenship. The movie shows how the Air. Cdre. Turowicz and other English officers and technicians have contributed in building the PAF and SUPARCO soon after independence. The documentary film was released on October 25, 2008.

"This documentary will preserve and pass on that future generations of the pages of our common history and tell them about our air force officers' Cooperation and the generosity and hospitality of the Pakistani people," said Ireneusz Makles, the Consul General of Poland in Karachi.The consul general said he believes's That That the documentary would act this Encourage the contemporary activities of the two countries and Their future generations. "This is an example of how the two countries can work together to serve our nations," remarked Makles and wished to enhance the Polish-Pakistani Cooperation.

"Polish young eagles on Pakistani heaven"

Anna Teresa Pietraszek director of "Polish young eagles on Pakistani heaven" in the company of Pakistanis

This story was saved from oblivion Anna Teresa Pietraszek, Polish film director and screenwriter. It is the work of a full-length documentary film .: "Polish young eagles on Pakistani heaven" (2008), for which she received an honorary citizen of Pakistan.

 

[nomi007]

can u post that movie

 

[IrbiS]

can u post that movie

Here you go but it's in Polish.

Polskie orlęta na pakistańskim niebie (Polish young eagles on Pakistani heaven)

It's on YouTube