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MELBOURNE, Australia — Pakistan is in negotiations with the U.S. to get more Lockheed Martin F-16s over and above what it already has on order, while at the same time it develops its defense manufacturing capability to reduce its reliance on the U.S.

“We have plans to have more F-16s and are negotiating with the U.S. government for more,” says Air Chief Marshall Rao Qamar Suleman, the Pakistani air force chief of air staff. Rao spoke to Aviation Week here, where he was attending an air chiefs’ conference.

When asked how many more aircraft Pakistan wants, Rao declines to specify the number on the grounds that “we are still in the process of negotiations.” “It depends in what form and the time frame,” he adds.

In 2006 the U.S. Congress agreed to give Pakistan 28 F-16C/Ds under an excess-defense articles scheme. Pakistan recently received the first 14, but has yet to get the others. Rao says it is unclear when these aircraft will arrive and it is part of the current negotiations.

Pakistan has a total of 63 F-16s, of which 45 are A/Bs and 18 are C/Ds. Rao says all the A/Bs are to undergo a midlife upgrade and become C/D aircraft “close to block 50” standard. The first three A/Bs are now undergoing the upgrade at Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI). “In 2013-2014 all of the A/Bs will have been upgraded to C/Ds.” He also says four other F-16s were sent to the U.S. for technical verification inspections so the upgrade kits could be developed that TAI will install.

While Pakistan is an ally of the U.S., it is also an ally of China. Pakistan, for example, is producing JF-17 fighters at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, a city in northern Pakistan. The JF-17 is a fighter jointly developed by China and Pakistan.

Rao says since becoming chief of air staff, he has made a concerted effort to increase the manufacturing capability of Pakistan’s defense industry. This is important because the country has in the past been subject to sanctions and embargoes, including by the U.S. over its nuclear weapons efforts.

Rao says Pakistan will have the second squadron of JF-17s enter operation at the end of March while simultaneously phasing out all of its Nanchang A-5s. The A-5 is a ground attack aircraft from China that was first produced in 1969.

“As for the Chengdu F-7s and Dassault Mirages, we will phase these out as we get JF-17s,” Rao says. “Some of Pakistan’s Mirages are the oldest in the world,” he says, adding that some were built in 1967. Phasing out the older Mirages is a top priority. The Mirages are difficult and costly to maintain because no one is producing spare parts for these aircraft anymore, he says. “We are getting secondhand parts, but we don’t know the history of these spare parts we are getting. It’s a flight safety issue and a nightmare for me,” he adds.

When asked about datalinks that could connect the F-16s to the JF-17s, Rao says Pakistan is working to develop its own solution. “We have Link 16 on the F-16s. We will not fiddle with Link 16 and not have direct linkages [between the JF-17s] with the F-16. However, we are trying to develop our own tactical datalink.” It will send information from the JF-17 to a ground station where there will be an interface, he says, adding there will be a short delay, and then the information will be sent to the F-16s.

Like with its fighters, Pakistan also has different types of airborne early warning and control aircraft. The country has three Saab Erieye aircraft and will receive its fourth by midyear, Rao says. This is its last Saab Erieye on order. Pakistan will also receive in the middle of the year its first Shaanxi ZDK-03. Pakistan has four on order, and the first rolled out of the Shaanxi Aircraft factory in November. But Rao says China is still busy installing the equipment and doing the necessary upgrades.

Another major requirement that Pakistan has is for UAVs. It already has Italian Selex Galileo Falco UAVs, and Rao says Pakistan has reached an agreement with the company whereby some Falcos will be made in Pakistan for the local market and export. Production will start in Pakistan this year, he says. In the past Pakistan reportedly wanted to have the Falco armed, a request that Italy rejected. Rao says the UAVs made in Pakistan will carry no weapons and will be for reconnaissance and surveillance, mostly of areas where insurgents and terrorists may be hiding.
Pakistan Air Chief Outlines Procurement Plans | AVIATION WEEK
 
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Air power has been and will be a decisive factor in all future warfare. PAF needs to speed up procurement of JF-17s, J-10s and F-16s. Time has come to increase the funding for the Air Force and Navy.
 
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Great 2 squadrons of JF17 thunder by March not bad ...that is 36 JF17 thunders up in air ...

And by December 2011 , we could have 45 JF17 Thunders in our inventory not bad at all


May be the A-5 and Mirages should be just donated to Iran or Syria for oil exchange deals with Iran or get their Helicopters

Iran has a good program to produce helicopters in numbers , we can take their 50 helicopters for 100 mirages plus oil deals

It would be a fair trade
 
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No armed UAV's damn perhaps only for the army then.
 
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MELBOURNE, Australia — Pakistan is in negotiations with the U.S. to get more Lockheed Martin F-16s over and above what it already has on order, while at the same time it develops its defense manufacturing capability to reduce its reliance on the U.S.

“We have plans to have more F-16s and are negotiating with the U.S. government for more,” says Air Chief Marshall Rao Qamar Suleman, the Pakistani air force chief of air staff. Rao spoke to Aviation Week here, where he was attending an air chiefs’ conference.

When asked how many more aircraft Pakistan wants, Rao declines to specify the number on the grounds that “we are still in the process of negotiations.” “It depends in what form and the time frame,” he adds.

In 2006 the U.S. Congress agreed to give Pakistan 28 F-16C/Ds under an excess-defense articles scheme. Pakistan recently received the first 14, but has yet to get the others. Rao says it is unclear when these aircraft will arrive and it is part of the current negotiations.

Pakistan has a total of 63 F-16s, of which 45 are A/Bs and 18 are C/Ds. Rao says all the A/Bs are to undergo a midlife upgrade and become C/D aircraft “close to block 50” standard. The first three A/Bs are now undergoing the upgrade at Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI). “In 2013-2014 all of the A/Bs will have been upgraded to C/Ds.” He also says four other F-16s were sent to the U.S. for technical verification inspections so the upgrade kits could be developed that TAI will install.

While Pakistan is an ally of the U.S., it is also an ally of China. Pakistan, for example, is producing JF-17 fighters at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, a city in northern Pakistan. The JF-17 is a fighter jointly developed by China and Pakistan.

Rao says since becoming chief of air staff, he has made a concerted effort to increase the manufacturing capability of Pakistan’s defense industry. This is important because the country has in the past been subject to sanctions and embargoes, including by the U.S. over its nuclear weapons efforts.

Rao says Pakistan will have the second squadron of JF-17s enter operation at the end of March while simultaneously phasing out all of its Nanchang A-5s. The A-5 is a ground attack aircraft from China that was first produced in 1969.

“As for the Chengdu F-7s and Dassault Mirages, we will phase these out as we get JF-17s,” Rao says. “Some of Pakistan’s Mirages are the oldest in the world,” he says, adding that some were built in 1967. Phasing out the older Mirages is a top priority. The Mirages are difficult and costly to maintain because no one is producing spare parts for these aircraft anymore, he says. “We are getting secondhand parts, but we don’t know the history of these spare parts we are getting. It’s a flight safety issue and a nightmare for me,” he adds.

When asked about datalinks that could connect the F-16s to the JF-17s, Rao says Pakistan is working to develop its own solution. “We have Link 16 on the F-16s. We will not fiddle with Link 16 and not have direct linkages [between the JF-17s] with the F-16. However, we are trying to develop our own tactical datalink.” It will send information from the JF-17 to a ground station where there will be an interface, he says, adding there will be a short delay, and then the information will be sent to the F-16s.

Like with its fighters, Pakistan also has different types of airborne early warning and control aircraft. The country has three Saab Erieye aircraft and will receive its fourth by midyear, Rao says. This is its last Saab Erieye on order. Pakistan will also receive in the middle of the year its first Shaanxi ZDK-03. Pakistan has four on order, and the first rolled out of the Shaanxi Aircraft factory in November. But Rao says China is still busy installing the equipment and doing the necessary upgrades.

Another major requirement that Pakistan has is for UAVs. It already has Italian Selex Galileo Falco UAVs, and Rao says Pakistan has reached an agreement with the company whereby some Falcos will be made in Pakistan for the local market and export. Production will start in Pakistan this year, he says. In the past Pakistan reportedly wanted to have the Falco armed, a request that Italy rejected. Rao says the UAVs made in Pakistan will carry no weapons and will be for reconnaissance and surveillance, mostly of areas where insurgents and terrorists may be hiding.
Pakistan Air Chief Outlines Procurement Plans | AVIATION WEEK

Two question arises in mind. 1) why haven't the ACM mentioned anything about the FC-20? and second why did Italy rejected our request for arming the UAV is it the US pressure behind closed doors or a successful Indian lobby who managed to convince the italians not to arm the falco drone.
 
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chief has not said anything NEW.
we knew that negotiations are going on for the 14 F-16A/B (currently used by USN).
we also know that newer F-16s are being negotiated (probably the revival of 18 F-16C/D 'option' which was shelved due to the earthquake)
JF-17 program is on-line.
no mention of J-11s and J-10Bs. this means these projects are on the medium-term horizon (after 2014)
no direct data-link between JFTs and F-16s. we knew that.
 
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Two question arises in mind. 1) why haven't the ACM mentioned anything about the FC-20? and second why did Italy rejected our request for arming the UAV is it the US pressure behind closed doors or a successful Indian lobby who managed to convince the italians not to arm the falco drone.

FC-20 has the engine issue and has not been resolved - russian or chinese. AFA armed falco is concerned, it was rejected under US pressure.
 
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Hi, my personal opinion is that buying more F-16s whether second hand or new is plain and simple stupid. They are sanction prone aircraft and are dependent on spare from overseas. The PAF has still not learned its lesson.
 
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Nothing new...i think this is not an interview or briefing, just routine discussion not proper procurement briefing...
 
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hell of a stupidity by PAF when we were going to get around 38 f 16 in 2006 we less some nos and went for 18 now after 5 years we want more why they are wasting time and im not in favour of F 16 becoz USA is a blackmailler we have seen in davis case where is J 10 from last 5 years stupid PAF is making to much things complicated some times they want f 16 sometimes j 10 sometimes again f 16 out of my mind to understand what they want now
 
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They ever want to be US dependent and nothing else, or may be commission concerned.They don't want to look left or right but seems like US put a black sripe over PAF.

US US US, F-16 F-16 F-16

No drones so what the hell we need this partnership?
 
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than why they have gone with JF 17 they say they went for JF 17 becoz they dont want to rely on USA and learned lessons in 80s when USA stopped seelling pak F 16 now if they again have to rely on USA than stop JF 17 programme and go with F 15 it will be better man i dont understand PAF mindset sometime they dont want USA fighter and reduce the number of F 16 and want to buy J 10 for last 5 years we dont see paf have any interest in J 10 till now we have got all J 10 which are more capable than F 16 or equal to F 16 if we have to buy F 16 than why not buy blok 60 and defence minister says pak cannot buy F 16 becoz of price now air chief want more f 16 what the hell going on with paf


i thought we have gone with J 10 if paf wanted f 16 why they reduced the number till now we have got all f 16 that paf wanted

and if we have not reduced the number at that time of f 16 we might have all desired number of f 16 with us but also had till now J 10
 
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yaar these are from peace drive they are from aid don't paf is not purchasing them its thru aid!!!
 
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just simple qes to ACM what if we have remain 18 in USA after RD case? yes i am 1000000$ sure first they threat abut f-16. if i am not wrong PAF need f-16 even pakistan and pakistani public go to hell???????? yes
 
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