PAKISTAN: Afghans Find Their Welcome Running Out

[Developereo]

The best scenario would be to have peace in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and to make the Durand line like the US-Canada border before 9/11. All you needed was a driver's license to cross it and, sometimes, even a college ID would do.

 

[Punjabbi Munda]

Refugees,understand it's meaning?There are lots of Afghans here as well.But the fact is that you have land to land connection with them,which makes it easier for them to go in Pakistan.
But look at Pakistan today,it's own tons of citizens are being blown up everyday,Afghan's doing good,that they are returning.

My observations is that there is more news on violence erupting in Pakistan than in Afghanistan right now!
So i guess Afghanistan will be a better place to live than Pakistan

As for millions,we are already handling 20 million of Bangladeshis and hell we are tired with the mess they have created.

 

[Ahmad]

My observations is that there is more news on violence erupting in Pakistan than in Afghanistan right now!
So i guess Afghanistan will be a better place to live than Pakistan

Hope things get better in Paksitan too, people dont understand the meaning of war and suffering, they hear it , but not feeling it. Paksitan have had problems for the last few years, but it is nowhere near what we have seen in this 30+ years, no any human being should go through that.

 

[ganimi kawa]

Thanks for calling us barbarians!!! We are very poor people, with devastated country, but we sure are not criminals!!! You just called us criminals, we do have criminals amongs us like other countries, but we are not a nation of criminals. Not long ago Jack Straw(to be fair Straw was not the only person saying this) said something about Pakistani men being Sex Predators, and here in this forum everybody jumped from everywhere and condemned J.Straw with many reasons, if those arguments apply to Pakistanis in the UK, then the same thing can be applied to us in Pakistan.

@ Ahmad'

Generalization is the easy way out for hate mongers. National prototyping makes it easy for them to keep the hatred burning.


Anyway, here is one of the best portrayals of Afghan people living out of their country (though it too suffers a bit from prototyping).



Kabuliwala by Rabindranath Tagore


Everytime I read this story, I get emotional. Please read it, mate. And let me know what you think about it!

 

[Ahmad]

@ Ahmad'

Generalization is the easy way out for hate mongers. National prototyping makes it easy for them to keep the hatred burning.


Anyway, here is one of the best portrayals of Afghan people living out of their country (though it too suffers a bit from prototyping).



Kabuliwala by Rabindranath Tagore


Everytime I read this story, I get emotional. Please read it, mate. And let me know what you think about it!

i will surely read it, cant do it right now as i am at work.

 

[mehru]

Refugees,understand it's meaning?There are lots of Afghans here as well.But the fact is that you have land to land connection with them,which makes it easier for them to go in Pakistan.
But look at Pakistan today,it's own tons of citizens are being blown up everyday,Afghan's doing good,that they are returning.

My observations is that there is more news on violence erupting in Pakistan than in Afghanistan right now!
So i guess Afghanistan will be a better place to live than Pakistan

Watch your words Mr. You have the right to hate Pakistan and talk against it but there is no justification for making fun of civilians death. Pakistan is not Afghanistan and will never be. You should be rather worried about Saffron terrorism in you country as Rahul Gandhi pointed out.

 

[ganimi kawa]

1. Watch your words Mr. You have the right to hate Pakistan and talk against it but there is no justification for making fun of civilians death.

2. Pakistan is not Afghanistan and will never be.

3. You should be rather worried about Saffron terrorism in you country as Rahul Gandhi pointed out.

1. I agree, completely!

2. Will you please elaborate? No two persons are same let alone countries!

3. I would not be too much worried about that. 99.9% of it is pure propaganda by Congress; desperate to divert the public from price issue.

And Rahul Gandhi is about as immature as anyone can get!

About the remaining 0.1%, they will never gain majority, even in the Sangh Pariwar!


4. You on the other hand, should be much more worried about the "whatever colour" terrorism in your country. The way Governor Salman Taseer's assassin, Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri, was welcomed in the court was disturbing.

P.S. I do not mean point 4 as a counter barb, just stating a fact.

 

[LaBong]

@ Ahmad'

Generalization is the easy way out for hate mongers. National prototyping makes it easy for them to keep the hatred burning.


Anyway, here is one of the best portrayals of Afghan people living out of their country (though it too suffers a bit from prototyping).



Kabuliwala by Rabindranath Tagore


Everytime I read this story, I get emotional. Please read it, mate. And let me know what you think about it!

Although the English translation is nowhere near the original, but the story is as appealing as ever! Thanks for sharing.

 

[Truth Teller]

Refugees,understand it's meaning?There are lots of Afghans here as well.But the fact is that you have land to land connection with them,which makes it easier for them to go in Pakistan.
But look at Pakistan today,it's own tons of citizens are being blown up everyday,Afghan's doing good,that they are returning.

Don't forget 1984. Where thausands of your Sikhs were being burnt alive, killed, and raped by your hindu masters.

 

[Punjabbi Munda]

Don't forget 1984. Where thausands of your Sikhs were being burnt alive, killed, and raped by your hindu masters.

Come here in India and witness yourself how much the sikhs love their country.

I am a not a pure hindu,like sadhu ones.I am a punjabi hindu,having deepest beliefs in Gurus and also in Hindu gods.

So mind your language

 

[mehru]

self-delete

 

[53fd]

Don't doubt your own Pushtuns my friend. I am aware of such forums. A pushtun member here made a Pakistani Pushtun forum to counter that propaganda. I don't remember the name but i guess some Pushtun members here can pinpoint that forum.

Trust your intelligence and army. They will keep a check on anti-state elements.

As for Pushtunistan, this movement died long ago. However pushtunistan billboards is definitely a serious matter. Can anyone else confirm this? Any one from Peshawar?

Frankly the only Afghan pushtuns i have seen abusing Pakistan are always on the net, mostly residing in Western countries. I have yet to meet such Afghans in Pakistan.

 

[53fd]

That is another stupid thing, if you go to history pages you will see the tajiks having alot longer history in that country compare to the pashtoons, but we never claimed that the country is ours only. the problem with Pashtoon nationalsism and pakistani friends is that they dont go any further than Ahmad Shah Abdali when it comes to history of our country.



Which thousands of years are we talking? any proof of that? Persian literature with all its richness doesnt claim thousands of years of its literacy, how come pashtons of afghanistan claim such a thing for their language?

Some Afghan Pashtuns actually do, and some Afghans say Pashtuns are the only real Afghans and the rest (Hazaras, Tajiks) are fake Afghans. Even if they don't claim their history to be thousands of years old, they do claim at least a thousand years old.


To be fair pashtoon nationalism is not the only cancer in Afghanistan, Tajik and other nationalsims are also present in the country, if we blame the enthno nationalsim only on the pashtons will be unfair, BUT pashtoon nationalism came into existence and resulted in huge supresion of other ethnicities over a hundred and fifty years that resulted in creation of Tajik nationalism first followed by the others, we had to do something to defend ourselves, wellcome to afghanistan, a divided country based on ethnic lines. Sad, truely sad.



I don't care about other nationalisms, it is not my concern. But Pashtun nationalism is a concern because it is a direct means of weakening and breaking up Pakistan. Pakistan has become a harmonious multi-ethnic society that has been glued very strongly together by Pakistani nationalism and Islam: Pakistan doesn't care about ethnicity or language. Urdu is the perfect buffer language spoken by almost everyone in Pakistan. We are all Pakistanis and Muslims first, and then we are that ethnic group. We treat each other equally because we find a much stronger bond in Islam.



I have lived in Peshawar and know the realities well. Pakistani Pakhtuns might or might not have ethnic issues with Panjabis and others, but joining Afghanistan in the name of Pashtunistan is never in their mind.

I honestly dont understand where did you get these untrue ideas from? who told you the pashtons are supresed? They have supressed us for several decades and centries, our land have been taken from us and given it to the pashtoons, our culture and language is under systematic pressure for very very long, they simply want to destroy it so pashto langauge and culture can replace it, our political and social rights have always been undermined, every privilage have been given to the pashtoons, the pashtoon rulres even avoided to built schools in Hazara areas, do you know that right now over 70% of foreign aid is going to pashton areas despite the fact that non pasthon areas are well in a postion to receive those aid because of peace? In the past every single army general was pashtoon, all officials and gov was nothing but pashtoon, hazaras and uzbeks only had to be servants in the houses of those pashtoons, only tajiks could occupy lower posts and very few higher posts due to their skills and also rate of literacy is the highest among tajiks in Afghanistan, otherwise we were suprressed and killed badly, please please do get facts right.



how do you explain this?

I honestly do not care for Tajik nationalism etc because it doesn't really affect Pakistan.

 

[Ahmad]

how do you explain this?

Well, there are some pakistanis who surely pro pashtonistan, but absolute majority is not. The exact opposite is among afghan pashtoons. believe me, if there is an attempt of breaking up pakistan in the name of ethnicity, we tajiks will back you pakistanis will full power.

Some Afghan Pashtuns actually do, and some Afghans say Pashtuns are the only real Afghans and the rest (Hazaras, Tajiks) are fake Afghans. Even if they don't claim their history to be thousands of years old, they do claim at least a thousand years old.

Well, they can claim whatever they want, but based on what? If you try to know the meaning of Afghan then it is surely Pashtoon, that is the reason we non pashtoons have objection to it. I gave you an example if pakistan was called panjabistan what would have been the reaction of other ethnicities? It has been forced on us just like the other things.

 

[W.11]

if pakistan won't feed them well today , then how will pakistan gona get any statagic leverage in afganistan tommoro..?

we feed them and they shyt on us our face!!!

we need to use weapons to push all afghans out of pakistan, enuf is enuf