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PAKISTAN: Afghans Find Their Welcome Running Out

I am just smiling that most of our people do not know anything about them its the sad part.

Let me tell you the poor and homeless are the most peaceful ones. The hate mongers are those few "Educated" ones who are confused about their own ideology that what they want. These "FEW" i repeat very few are just grinning over success of their own countrymen from other ethnic groups like Uzbeks, Tajiks and others who WERE and still ARE well off in Pakistan as well as other parts of the world.

So these FEW hatemongers neither compete with these well of ethnic Afghanistanis neither they can make a place for themselves so they keep on breathing on fake ideas of Pashtunistan and so on.

A better understanding of the situation than those posting on here that believe they're speaking to Afghans who in turn speak on behalf of Afghan refugees on the internet!

The figures are simple. Most Afghan refugees do not stay in refugee camps. They stay with hosts in Khyber/Balochistan that are quite happy for them to stay in their house until the war is over.

You can moan and groan how the Afghan refugees do this and that (if you believe subcontinental police statistics then I have a bridge to sell you). But you're not going to change the minds of the host communities who see the ground realities. There is not any hatred of Afghan Pashtuns by Pakistani Pashtuns. There really is not, I'm amused some of you are so detached from the realities of Pashtun feeling.
 
To be honest if Afghanistan is in such a messy situation then Pakistan have take its biggest share of responsibility in creating that mess.

PS:I don't think Afghanistan has accepted Durand line as international border.

Doesn't matter. It's an internationally recognized border.:toast_sign:
 
Thanks for calling us barbarians!!! We are very poor people, with devastated country, but we sure are not criminals!!! You just called us criminals, we do have criminals amongs us like other countries, but we are not a nation of criminals. Not long ago Jack Straw(to be fair Straw was not the only person saying this) said something about Pakistani men being Sex Predators, and here in this forum everybody jumped from everywhere and condemned J.Straw with many reasons, if those arguments apply to Pakistanis in the UK, then the same thing can be applied to us in Pakistan.

My apologies for the rude manner of my countrymen for calling Afghans barbarians. It's just sad that people have only one opinion about Afghans and that too a bad one. All Afghans are not bad. Poverty leads to crime so no surprise that some are indeed involved. However some Afghans have made Pakistan their home and feel the same way as they feel about their country. I am personally a fan of an old Afghan lady in Islamabad who is a wonderful artist. She loves this country as much as she loves her own.

Calling Afghans barbarians is as humiliating as considering Pakistanis terrorist and noone understand it better than us.:frown:
 
My apologies for the rude manner of my countrymen for calling Afghans barbarians. It's just sad that people have only one opinion about Afghans and that too a bad one. All Afghans are not bad. Poverty leads to crime so no surprise that some are indeed involved. However some Afghans have made Pakistan their home and feel the same way as they feel about their country. I am personally a fan of an old Afghan lady in Islamabad who is a wonderful artist. She loves this country as much as she loves her own.

Calling Afghans barbarians is as humiliating as considering Pakistanis terrorist and noone understand it better than us.:frown:

Dear Mehru, no need for appology, honestly we all sometimes lose our cool time to time, the posters above is no different from the rest of us.
 
i would be happy to have afghans in pakistan, happy for them to seek refuge and help

but the problem is that they have been brainwashed so much that they think pakistani's are their enemies, almost every answer they have is ISI ISI, then i think maybe its best if they go, everyone has their limits.
 
You can moan and groan how the Afghan refugees do this and that (if you believe subcontinental police statistics then I have a bridge to sell you).

I don't hate anyone, I have nothing but warm feelings towards Afghans in general, as well as Indians & other nationalities. But I just hate some (a small percentage of) Afghan Pashtuns who promote feelings of separatism in parts of KPK and FATA with the intention of breaking away these parts from Pakistan for 'Pashtunistan'. These Afghans also blame Pakistan for everything, and don't realize the harm their Afghan Pashtun nationalist leaders have caused to Afghanistan and Afghanis, as well as Pakistani Pakhtuns. THOSE are the Afghans I don't want in this country.
 
Did you ever think Afghan Nationalism is one of the last things on the mind of an Afghan Refugee? I'm in awe of your failure to understand any of the ground realities in these host communities or that Afghan Refugees are not wild and passionate Nationalists (they do have more important concerns)
 
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Did you ever think Afghan Nationalism is one of the last things on the mind of an Afghan Refugee? I'm in awe of your failure to understand any of the ground realities in these host communities or that Afghan Refugees are wild and passionate Nationalists, like they do not have more important concerns.

Afghan Nationalism is the FIRST thing in the minds of EVERY Pashtun/Pakhtun: the very word 'Pashtun/Pakhtun' means Afghan. Ask any Pakhtun/Pashtuns from either Pakistan or Afghanistan, they will tell you the meaning of that word. The way Mecca is for Muslims, the 'historic land of Afghanistan' is for Pashtuns/Pakhtuns. Read literature of famous Pakhto/Pashto poets over thousands of years, you will know what I'm talking about. So yes, Afghan Nationalism is the FIRST thing in their minds. Add to that, most Afghan Pashtuns have not accepted the Durand Line as an international border. Karzai declared the Durand Line as 'invalid', saying a line had divided two brothers. Well, they don't treat their Pakistani Pakhtun brothers by hurting their sentiments with their nationalistic idealism. Pakistani Pakhtuns do not talk about a nationalistic Pashtunistan because they would not want to sacrifice their comforts to get downgraded in a Pashtunistan; a Pashtunistan is most certainly an upgrade for Afghan Pashtuns from Afghanistan.

The Afghan Pashtuns talk about Pashtunistan as a form of their alliance and brotherhood with Pakistani Pakhtuns, this is nothing but a lie: they are only doing this for their selfish purposes. Despite being 40% of the Afghan population, they are treated worse in their "own" country than the 20% Pakhtuns in their "foreign" country of Pakistan. Afghan Pashtuns are always playing 2nd fiddle to the Tajiks, who are the most prosperous ethnicity in Afghanistan despite only being 27% of the population. Afghan Pashtuns also long for Pakistani Pakhtuns in their country so they can prop their population numbers up, to raise their population from 40% to 70%; and overpower the Tajiks that currently control the country. So in reality, Afghan Pashtuns feel nothing for their 'brothers' in Pakistan, they would try to break up their brothers' country to make themselves feel better, for their own selfish reasons, & would even side up with the US, India, communist regimes (Najibullah) & other non-Muslim nations to cause harm to their Pakistani Pakhtun brothers They are despicable creatures.
 
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Afghan Nationalism is the FIRST thing in the minds of EVERY Pashtun/Pakhtun: the word Pashtun/Pakhtun means Afghan.

This statement alone shows how hypocritical and detached from reality you are.

A lot like those that will say all Muslims think only one way and want to destroy the west.

You're in good company!!

Carry on wallowing in your ignorance
 
This statement alone shows how hypocritical and detached from reality you are.

A lot like those that will say all Muslims think only one way and want to destroy the west.

You're in good company!!

Carry on wallowing in your ignorance



Looks like you have no response, so all you can do is ridicule other members at PDF. You would be willing to let your own country break up to satisfy your brotherhood. You are just as treasonous as any traitor is to his country. Please go to any Pashtun (Pakistani or Afghan) forum: look up the meaning for 'Pashtun'. It means Afghan. According to Afghan Pashtuns, Pakistan is a fake state ruled by Punjabis; & that the only true homeland for a Pashtun/Pakhtun is Afghanistan. But you would choose to live in ignorance with your 'brotherhood', even when your brother bites you like a snake, stabs you in the back & breaks your homeland. You should be ashamed to call yourself Pakistani, you're nothing but a disgrace to this nation if you side with people that want to break it up (of course not all Afghan Pashtuns are like this, only the nationalistic ones).

I repeat, I have nothing but good feelings towards those poor Afghans that have no where to go, and genuinely think of Pakistani Pakhtuns as your brothers. They are more than welcome to stay here. But those nationalistic Afghan Pashtuns are the reasons why we have huge billboards out in public in Peshawar today crying out for "Pashtunistan". These nationalistic Pashtuns abuse the hospitality their Pakistani brothers and the state of Pakistan provide, and use it to build anti-Pakistani sentiments within Pakistani Pashtuns.
 
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Not irresponsible words.

What do you mean?? You can't seriously paint all afghans with the same brush! Yes there are a few criminals but that doesn't mean you should put the blame on the whole community! What would be your reaction if Americans and Brits start deporting Pakistanis because of what people like Faisal shehzad tried to do or what the 7/11 bombers did in the UK????
 
What do you mean?? You can't seriously paint all afghans with the same brush! Yes there are a few criminals but that doesn't mean you should put the blame on the whole community! What would be your reaction if Americans and Brits start deporting Pakistanis because of what people like Faisal shehzad tried to do or what the 7/11 bombers did in the UK????



Agreed!!! you are totally right
 
This statement alone shows how hypocritical and detached from reality you are.

A lot like those that will say all Muslims think only one way and want to destroy the west.

You're in good company!!

Carry on wallowing in your ignorance



Looks like you have no response, so all you can do is ridicule other members at PDF. You would be willing to let your own country break up to satisfy your brotherhood. You are just as treasonous as any traitor is to his country. Please go to any Pashtun (Pakistani or Afghan) forum: look up the meaning for 'Pashtun'. It means Afghan. According to Afghan Pashtuns, Pakistan is a fake state ruled by Punjabis; & that the only true homeland for a Pashtun/Pakhtun is Afghanistan. But you would choose to live in ignorance with your 'brotherhood', even when your brother bites you like a snake, stabs you in the back & breaks your homeland. You should be ashamed to call yourself Pakistani, you're nothing but a disgrace to this nation if you side with people that want to break it up (of course not all Afghan Pashtuns are like this, only the nationalistic ones).

I repeat, I have nothing but good feelings towards those poor Afghans that have no where to go, and genuinely think of Pakistani Pakhtuns as your brothers. They are more than welcome to stay here. But those nationalistic Afghan Pashtuns are the reasons why we have huge billboards out in public in Peshawar today crying out for "Pashtunistan". These nationalistic Pashtuns abuse the hospitality their Pakistani brothers and the state of Pakistan provide, and use it to build anti-Pakistani sentiments within Pakistani Pashtuns.

Don't doubt your own Pushtuns my friend. I am aware of such forums. A pushtun member here made a Pakistani Pushtun forum to counter that propaganda. I don't remember the name but i guess some Pushtun members here can pinpoint that forum.

Trust your intelligence and army. They will keep a check on anti-state elements.

As for Pushtunistan, this movement died long ago. However pushtunistan billboards is definitely a serious matter. Can anyone else confirm this? Any one from Peshawar?

Frankly the only Afghan pushtuns i have seen abusing Pakistan are always on the net, mostly residing in Western countries. I have yet to meet such Afghans in Pakistan.
 

Although i agree with you on the nationalism among the pashtons, but the rest of what you said is unrealistic.

the very word 'Pashtun/Pakhtun' means Afghan.

Do you know that this name applied to all of us despite our objection to it and it was in the last century? Name of the country wasnt Afghanistan before, this name is one of the source of tension among us. Imagine if Pakistan was called Panjabistan, would it have been accepted by the other people?

The way Mecca is for Muslims, the 'historic land of Afghanistan' is for Pashtuns/Pakhtuns.

That is another stupid thing, if you go to history pages you will see the tajiks having alot longer history in that country compare to the pashtoons, but we never claimed that the country is ours only. the problem with Pashtoon nationalsism and pakistani friends is that they dont go any further than Ahmad Shah Abdali when it comes to history of our country.

Read literature of famous Pakhto/Pashto poets over thousands of years, you will know what I'm talking about.

Which thousands of years are we talking? any proof of that? Persian literature with all its richness doesnt claim thousands of years of its literacy, how come pashtons of afghanistan claim such a thing for their language? Empty and propaganda talk is easy.

So yes, Afghan Nationalism is the FIRST thing in their minds.

To be fair pashtoon nationalism is not the only cancer in Afghanistan, Tajik and other nationalsims are also present in the country, if we blame the enthno nationalsim only on the pashtons will be unfair, BUT pashtoon nationalism came into existence and resulted in huge supresion of other ethnicities over a hundred and fifty years that resulted in creation of Tajik nationalism first followed by the others, we had to do something to defend ourselves, wellcome to afghanistan, a divided country based on ethnic lines. Sad, truely sad.

Add to that, most Afghan Pashtuns have not accepted the Durand Line as an international border. Karzai declared the Durand Line as 'invalid', saying a line had divided two brothers.

agree.

Well, they don't treat their Pakistani Pakhtun brothers by hurting their sentiments with their nationalistic idealism. Pakistani Pakhtuns do not talk about a nationalistic Pashtunistan because they would not want to sacrifice their comforts to get downgraded in a Pashtunistan; a Pashtunistan is most certainly an upgrade for Afghan Pashtuns from Afghanistan.

I have lived in Peshawar and know the realities well. Pakistani Pakhtuns might or might not have ethnic issues with Panjabis and others, but joining Afghanistan in the name of Pashtunistan is never in their mind.

Despite being 40% of the Afghan population, they are treated worse in their "own" country than the 20% Pakhtuns in their "foreign" country of Pakistan. Afghan Pashtuns are always playing 2nd fiddle to the Tajiks, who are the most prosperous ethnicity in Afghanistan despite only being 27% of the population.

I honestly dont understand where did you get these untrue ideas from? who told you the pashtons are supresed? They have supressed us for several decades and centries, our land have been taken from us and given it to the pashtoons, our culture and language is under systematic pressure for very very long, they simply want to destroy it so pashto langauge and culture can replace it, our political and social rights have always been undermined, every privilage have been given to the pashtoons, the pashtoon rulres even avoided to built schools in Hazara areas, do you know that right now over 70% of foreign aid is going to pashton areas despite the fact that non pasthon areas are well in a postion to receive those aid because of peace? In the past every single army general was pashtoon, all officials and gov was nothing but pashtoon, hazaras and uzbeks only had to be servants in the houses of those pashtoons, only tajiks could occupy lower posts and very few higher posts due to their skills and also rate of literacy is the highest among tajiks in Afghanistan, otherwise we were suprressed and killed badly, please please do get facts right.

to raise their population from 40% to 70%; and overpower the Tajiks that currently control the country.

Brother, the tajik parties are in oppostion, most of posts in the gov be it provincial or central in the cabinet are filled by pashtoons.
 
All troll threads by Indians are pointless.

If they are so concerned about Afghan refugees, why doesn't India take a few ... million?

Crocodile tears...

Refugees,understand it's meaning?There are lots of Afghans here as well.But the fact is that you have land to land connection with them,which makes it easier for them to go in Pakistan.
But look at Pakistan today,it's own tons of citizens are being blown up everyday,Afghan's doing good,that they are returning.

My observations is that there is more news on violence erupting in Pakistan than in Afghanistan right now!
So i guess Afghanistan will be a better place to live than Pakistan
;)
 

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