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WASHINGTON: Afghanistan cannot blame Pakistan for all its ills, as terrorist attacks happening there originate in that country, says Ambassador Aizaz Chaudhry, Islamabad’s envoy in Washington.

His Afghan counterpart Hamdullah Mohib argues that Afghanistan is not alone in blaming Pakistan; other neighbours, including Iran, also accuse it of interfering in their internal affairs. “Only the fish (of the Arabian Sea) do not because fish do not complain.”

The two ambassadors met on Monday afternoon in a dialogue on ‘Pakistan & Afghanistan relations, diplomacy & security challenges’, organised by a Washington-based think-tank, Indus, at Carnegie Endowment.

Chaudhry urges dialogue, revival of quadrilateral process and political solution

While Ambassador Chaudhry stressed the need for a dialogue, reviving the quadrilateral peace process and seeking a political solution to the Afghan conflict, Mr Mohib was not in a reconciliatory mood.

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He not only accused Pakistan of stirring troubles in Afghanistan but also asked other nations, like China and the United States, not to give weapons to it. “One day, those weapons will be used against you,” he warned.

He was obviously emboldened by media reports that the Trump administration was ready to harden its approach toward Pakistan to crack down on militants who use their alleged hideouts in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas for launching attacks into Afghanistan.

Washington’s options

One report claimed that National Security Adviser Gen H.R. McMaster had told Pakistani officials that the US could attack targets inside Pakistan if American hostages held by the Afghan Haqqani militants were killed.

Reports in the US media claimed that the Trump administration was considering various options, which included expanding drone strikes, redirecting or withholding some aid and eventually downgrading Pakistan’s status as a major non-Nato ally.

But there are elements within the US administration that oppose taking such tough measures against Pakistan.

They argue that America’s close ties with India are already pushing Pakistan away and such harsh measures would further reduce Washington’s influence in Islamabad.

Whether motivated by these reports or other factors, the Afghan ambassador minced no words in attacking Pakistan in the dialogue.

“Military grade explosive were used in last month’s truck-bomb attack in Kabul” that killed more than 90 people, he said. “Those are not produced in ungoverned spaces of Afghanistan.”

Ambassador Mohib said that there were several “real issues” in working with Pakistan.

“We must work with Pakistan, yes. Which Pakistan? The one occupied by the military or the civil government?” he asked.

“Policies are made by the military. We are talking about today’s military that has a liberal mindset and uses extremism as tool for foreign policy. This new generation trained by Dawa institutes of Zia. We are seriously concerned about that generation.”

Ambassador Chaudhry began politely, expressing Pakistan’s desire to stay engaged with Afghanistan. “Time and history has shown that when Afghanistan was unstable, instability came to Pakistan as well,” he said.

“We have a genuine interest in a stable and prosperous Afghanistan.”

Mr Chaudhry said the Pakistani economy had stabilised and the country did not want to jeopardise that by seeking instability in Afghanistan.

He said that after the Tora Bora bombing in Afghanistan, militants came to the northern parts of Pakistan, but it had eliminated them from those areas at a huge cost, as 6,000 Pakistani soldiers had laid down their lives in those operations.

“Now peace has been restored and the economy is getting better. Investments are coming. These gains are at risk if Afghanistan does not become stable,” he said.

Kabul govt control

Ambassador Chaudhry pointed out that the government in Kabul did not have control over the entire country and militants were using those areas for carrying out their activities, such as the militant Islamic State (IS) group in Nangarhar, which was a matter of concern for Pakistan. “We are ready to contribute to peace in Afghanistan in whatever way possible,” he said.

“Glad to see the Pakistani economy picking up. So is the Afghan economy,” said Ambassador Mohib, but alleged that the global heroin trade was a third of the Pakistan economy and human trafficking and smuggling also contributed to it.

“We are at threat from these criminals who are threatening to take over,” he said. “No dialogue will succeed unless we are candid. We know what our objectives are. We don’t know what are Pakistan’s objectives.”

Mr Mohib said Afghan President Ashraf Ghani had “invested huge political capital” in ties with Pakistan but now he stated that Pakistan was engaged in an undeclared war.

“Nothing new, we have heard this mantra for the last few years,” Ambassador Chaudhry responded. “But we decided not to engage in blame game. It will not help any country.”

He told his Afghan counterpart that it’s “too simplistic to say Pakistan is responsible for all ills of Afghanistan,” and while doing so, the accusers ignored their own problems such as weak governance, corruption, drug trade and economic stress.

“Academically speaking, if the Pak-Afghan border is sealed completely, will it fix Afghanistan?” he asked. “We should show a friendly spirit, which was shown in Astana recently between President Ghani and PM Nawaz Sharif.”

He urged both countries to devise a mechanism to coordinate efforts to defeat terrorism.

Published in Dawn, June 21st, 2017

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We must work with Pakistan, yes. Which Pakistan? The one occupied by the military or the civil government?

Policies are made by the military. We are talking about today’s military that has a liberal mindset and uses extremism as tool for foreign policy. This new generation trained by Dawa institutes of Zia. We are seriously concerned about that generation
Points to ponder about.:undecided:
I Hope the one with the liberal mindset wins.
 
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Points to ponder about.:undecided:
I Hope the one with the liberal mindset wins.
Talking by an ambassador whose own country is occupied...more than 50% by Talibs rest is USA ...to whom we should talk..Actually we should not talk.....We should simply close all type of relations with such tribal ethno fascist country which is harming us from day 1..
Read the history before zia they were fighting among themselves even before 1947...
 
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Talking by an ambassador whose own country is occupied...more than 50% by Talibs rest is USA ...to whom we should talk..Actually we should not talk.....We should simply close all type of relations with such tribal ethno fascist country which is harming us from day 1..
Read the history before zia they were fighting among themselves even before 1947...
There is a complete collapse of authority in countries like afghanistan, somalia, yemen and likes. The people are almost illiterate and because of this lack of education they cannot earn a proper living and are forced to grow drugs for a living.
Modern education should be giving to the children here, only then will they change the trajectory of their country.
Such failed countries can teach us many things. Pakistan needs to study these countries and understand what it needs to do. Your tribal areas needs to be controlled as they are most likely to turn hostile.
 
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There is a complete collapse of authority in countries like afghanistan, somalia, yemen and likes. The people are almost illiterate and because of this lack of education they cannot earn a proper living and are forced to grow drugs for a living.
Modern education should be giving to the children here, only then will they change the trajectory of their country.
Such failed countries can teach us many things. Pakistan needs to study these countries and understand what it needs to do. Your tribal areas needs to be controlled as they are most likely to turn hostile.
Our tribals areas are much better then Afghanistan..They are going to be assimilated in the KP province so things will also get solved.. which caused some problem due to Geo-political sensitives..
 
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Our tribals areas are much better then Afghanistan..They are going to be assimilated in the KP province so things will also get solved.. which caused some problem due to Geo-political sensitives..

They were! But the process has already halted. Do you know, who did not like the idea of assimilation of your tribal areas and why this idea is rejected for the time being???.....Guess????
 
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They were! But the process has already halted. Do you know, who did not like the idea of assimilation of your tribal areas and why this idea is rejected for the time being???.....Guess????
Yes the political PM and his affiliated PKMAP and JUI are the main reasons...
 
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Talking by an ambassador whose own country is occupied...more than 50% by Talibs rest is USA ...to whom we should talk..Actually we should not talk.....We should simply close all type of relations with such tribal ethno fascist country which is harming us from day 1..
Read the history before zia they were fighting among themselves even before 1947...


  • Latif Mehsood TTP leader and spokesman was guest of Afghan intelligence and was nabbed by the Americans inside Afghanistan while he was a gust of the Northern alliance. Karzai ranted and cried over that snaching instead of being caught red handed

  • Karzais brother caught smuggling millions in cases on the airport, the money given to Northern alliance thugs and
IS.

  • scumbags to rebuild Afghanistan

  • American marines narrate the stories of Northern alliance scumbags brutalizing the local population, their pandemic corruption rape and torture of the population that has given rise to taliban

  • Northern alliance soldiers themselves turning their guns on American and other NATO soldiers from time to time over petty issues or when they are caught stealing.
coming to Americans

on one hand they complain over Pakistan funding Afghan Taliban and on the other theit CIA is involved in cultivating Poppy and pay Taliban over right of passage to get the supplies to outposts


on one hand they want Pakistanis help in bringing peace in Afghanistan and when Pakistan helped in establishing 3 party conferences in Pakistan and UAE they continued to hit the Afghan Taliban expecting them not to retaliate and when they do the opposite then they blame Pakistan

the Northern alliance racism and brutality towards Pashton population their marginalization has brought a day that Northern alliance thugs cant step outside Kabul without fear add that to the mix of ISIS which is yet again another lab experiment of Americans and their gulf allies to redraw middle eastern map

give it time they will also blame Pakistan over ISIS
 
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afghanistan is blaming us for everything but it's americans who started and destroyed every asingle place in afghanistan.now mcmaster are telling us that they can strike targets inside pakistan like we can't do anything in return.china already have huge infrastructure here and chinese national security understands the need of stable pakistan.usaf can do anything they like but at the end of day,destruction will be immense on their side.cut all ties from americans now.they are speaking a language which nobody understands.
 
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The Pak ambassador to US needs to be changed. He's very incapable in terms countering anti Pakistan rants by countries like Afghanistan, India and others. Does this idiot Afghan envoy really thinks that all the bombings and civilian and armed forces casualties Pakistan has faced is due to so called terror elements harbored in Pakistan?

We need to have someone like Hussian Haroon, Munir Akram, Maliha Lodhi or Javed Jabbar to be assigned this task. Doesn't PML-N have one single person with some know how of international affairs, someone who can put Pakistan's view point straight and have the voice heard. Nawaz govt. is lot more dumber than I thought.

Just build the wall across Afghan border asap and lay land mines through out the border. And, please India you are more than welcome to take all the Afghan refugees as well to bolster your new found love for these narcotics smuggling creatures.
 
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  • Latif Mehsood TTP leader and spokesman was guest of Afghan intelligence and was nabbed by the Americans inside Afghanistan while he was a gust of the Northern alliance. Karzai ranted and cried over that snaching instead of being caught red handed

  • Karzais brother caught smuggling millions in cases on the airport, the money given to Northern alliance thugs and
IS.

  • scumbags to rebuild Afghanistan

  • American marines narrate the stories of Northern alliance scumbags brutalizing the local population, their pandemic corruption rape and torture of the population that has given rise to taliban

  • Northern alliance soldiers themselves turning their guns on American and other NATO soldiers from time to time over petty issues or when they are caught stealing.
coming to Americans

on one hand they complain over Pakistan funding Afghan Taliban and on the other theit CIA is involved in cultivating Poppy and pay Taliban over right of passage to get the supplies to outposts


on one hand they want Pakistanis help in bringing peace in Afghanistan and when Pakistan helped in establishing 3 party conferences in Pakistan and UAE they continued to hit the Afghan Taliban expecting them not to retaliate and when they do the opposite then they blame Pakistan

the Northern alliance racism and brutality towards Pashton population their marginalization has brought a day that Northern alliance thugs cant step outside Kabul without fear add that to the mix of ISIS which is yet again another lab experiment of Americans and their gulf allies to redraw middle eastern map

give it time they will also blame Pakistan over ISIS
They already blamed it that while ignoring the fact that ISIS aka TTP (mostly) is patronage by NDS. Pakistan should not mediate even between Taliban and Kabul government...We try to mediate and they put blame on us ...
Pakistan should withdraw its role and just seal the border let them deal with each other..
We started operation and told them to take care of there side but they let all TTP inside ...
 
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“Glad to see the Pakistani economy picking up. So is the Afghan economy,” said Ambassador Mohib, but alleged that the global heroin trade was a third of the Pakistan economy and human trafficking and smuggling also contributed to it.

:lol: You don't need diplomats to talk to them but trolls. Afghani ambassador sound like low brow afghani trolls on social media and forums.

The Pak ambassador to US needs to be changed. He's very incapable in terms countering anti Pakistan rants by countries like Afghanistan, India and others. Does this idiot Afghan envoy really thinks that all the bombings and civilian and armed forces casualties Pakistan has faced is due to so called terror elements harbored in Pakistan?

We need to have someone like Hussian Haroon, Munir Akram, Maliha Lodhi or Javed Jabbar to be assigned this task. Doesn't PML-N have one single person with some know how of international affairs, someone who can put Pakistan's view point straight and have the voice heard. Nawaz govt. is lot more dumber than I thought.

Just build the wall across Afghan border asap and lay land mines through out the border. And, please India you are more than welcome to take all the Afghan refugees as well to bolster your new found love for these narcotics smuggling creatures.

Pakistan and USA doesn't get along while Afghanis in government receive paychecks directly from Washington. Looking at current situation I don't think Pakistan will gain anything but going down to sold out Afghanis level.
 
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:lol: You don't need diplomats to talk to them but trolls. Afghani ambassador sound like low brow afghani trolls on social media and forums.



Pakistan and USA doesn't get along while Afghanis in government receive paychecks directly from Washington. Looking at current situation I don't think Pakistan will gain anything but going down to sold out Afghanis level.
There obsession , delusion and jealousy has no limits
 
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LOL no one cares what opium gutter has to say. They beg us for our help, but badmouth with the same tongue. Cannot have it both ways.

Afghans are totally irrelevant. They beg to stay in Pakistan. This is the state of Afghans. Who can take Afghans seriously.
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Afghans are frustrated at the moment because we are sending them home and not allowing anymore of them to come into Pakistan. It's time the Afghans start looking after their own people and stop expecting Pakistan to bail them out.
 
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