Pakistan: A dream in tatters

[SQ8]

And you guyz ban me when I say Its not Islam but the Muslims who are responsible for the current rot and its high time Muslims take responsibility for their mess.

Actions of convenience! Is it?

You are banned because you DO focus on Islam and not the opposite. Excuses of a wet cat is what it is.

 

[WAR-rior]

I never did. I only focus on the rotten versions of Islam that our Pak neighbours fabricate for their vested interests and mostly to seperate themselves from their original Indian culture. I as an Indian live among Muslims who are even more in number than urs. So assuming I dont have basic understanding of Islamic ideology is foolish. Hell, unlike you, I infact dont focus into a particular sub ideology and reject others. But again, U want to see thing in ur own perspective and obviously fail to gauge the intent. As they say, water on goggles show u the world wet.

I still stand affirm that Muslims are no more Islamic. When I say that I mean the Islam taught to da prophet by Gabriel. And I am sure even u wont deny it. So wass wrong in what I said?

 

[haviZsultan]

Pakistan was created as a secular state. The proof of this is within the life of Jinnah the term Islamic Republic was not attached to the name. Islam is fully compatible with secularism and there is no reason for us not to practice Ijtehad..

Mr. Jinnah's address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan

Jinnah wanted to ensure secular Islam prevailed in Pakistan. He made the 11th august speech so that minorities felt comfortable and we ensured we wouldn't Pakistan fall into fanatical abyss.

 

[Kompromat]

Har cheez Allah kay hukam se hoti hai aur agar Allah na chahiyeh tau Pakistan kay maslay kabhi theek nai ho saktay. Yaani, bajaye kay hum ja kar Pakistan kay maslay theek karain ao Allah say duaa karain. Allah asbaab ke mohtaaj nai hain.

Hum sub yahan ghaibi madat ke poojari hain.

Our behavioural problem stems from our over-reliance on our faith. We are to blame because our interpretation of it has us relaxed and complacent.

That is a partially wrong assessment. Our issues are not a direct product of our assumed reliance on divine guidence. Islam also teaches you 'Harkat main Barkat', 'Allah helps those who help themselves' and the fact that our Prophet SAW was a business man. The story of hard work is written in Islam's DNA just like Protestant Christianity.

Other Muslims believe the same way we do but they are doing much better in socioeconomic growth than us...i.e Indonesia, Malaysia and Turkey.

Our problem is a submissive attitude and illiteracy. Half of our population is illitetate...they only have faith to make sense of the world they live in. Its our fault for keeping them there because we as the educated class need to be working for better, cleaner govt, reforms and education.

 

[Kompromat]

the lowest segment is the majority. The denial of equity existed pre-Zia. But the usage and fostering of religion as a pacifier to this segment to forget its woes was the worst possible crime against Pakistan committed by its clergy and establishment. Allah Raziq hai was taught as an "end to all" issues rather than a motivation to reap the rewards for hard work.

People here wait for miracles instead of working to change. They'll continue to do so.

Its up to us to changenit through political and social education.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Islam has become our bane and our devotion to this religion has all but blinded us of the real virtues of humanity and the goodness which exist, independent of divinity and the mythology of yore. We see not good and bad save as Islam dictates to us and Islam's diktat today are but the whims and fanciful interpretations of the ignorant and ascetic mullah who has never read a book other than those available to him in the madrassa for fear of learning that the religion he has dedicated his life to, by design or by choice, has many a shortcoming which he is unable to accept.

We have become a people enslaved to this ideology, steeped in ignorance, incompetent in our entirety and unable to innovate and think for ourselves. Our only solace in these trying times in the face of a God who seems to be punishing (or testing) us for being of this faith is the belief that the world is not for the Believers and that the Akhira is not for the kufaar. By lying to ourselves in this manner we have completely forgotten that the Muslims of the past were given the duniya in abundance so much so that the Arabs after the Messenger (pbuh) ruled an empire which stretched from the heart of Arabia to the shores of the Atlantic. Tell that to a Believer and he'll say that our Amaal have brought this upon us. There is simply no knocking sense into him. His circular arguments will forever defeat any logic which your arguments may have.

We will be slaves for all time to come until and unless we begin to separate the functioning of the Pakistani state and our fate as a nation from the grip of divine foretelling and stories of impending doom, the conquest of Jerusalem, the arrival of the Messiah, the one-eyed monster and the fitnah of Yajuj and Majuj. Kids today are told of the grave, the day of judgement and the hooris of Paradise before they are told of the comity of nations and our place therein. Tell them of religion, but tell them also of the religion of others and teach them to respect their Gods as they would want their God respected. This is what the Prophet (Pbuh) taught us but his teachings of tolerance are lost upon us, as we become a nation increasingly extremist nurtured by the protection we have within our own borders and the absolutely dismal regulation of the State in this regard.

Our dream is truly in tatters and we're far too blind to see it. Anybody who speaks out against the shackles imposed by religion and the way it has condemned us to an unruly fate is an asylum-seeker in the West unless of course the mob gets to him before that, in which case he's lynched and buried under the angry sentiment of a nation enraged in the face of truth.

Religion should guide our private, spiritual lives and therein religion will operate pristinely and in unison with other religions and the writ of the Pakistani state. Seek to enforce it as the will of the people and the rule of law, then be prepared to watch how quickly this country unravels itself seeking answers to questions which have never been and never will be answered.

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[pursuit of happiness]

Pakistan was created as a secular state. The proof of this is within the life of Jinnah the term Islamic Republic was not attached to the name. Islam is fully compatible with secularism and there is no reason for us not to practice Ijtehad..

Mr. Jinnah's address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan

Jinnah wanted to ensure secular Islam prevailed in Pakistan. He made the 11th august speech so that minorities felt comfortable and we ensured we wouldn't Pakistan fall into fanatical abyss.

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can you define -- secular Islam?

 

[SrNair]

Nice article

 

[Cherokee]

Wow an discussion on PDF without name calling . I am impressed .

 

[Secur]

Its up to us to changenit through political and social education.

Ironically, both dont seem to result in a reduction of radicalization and extremism in the society. People today are relatively more literate and in possession of political wisdom, than they were, say 20 years ago. But all thats happening is that the society is getting more radicalized. Why then?

Blame Islam and the problem is solved. Have a great weekend.

A certain version of the religion is responsible for more bloodshed and chaos, than there ever has been, in the history of Pakistan. He's not wrong, my friend.

 

[Sugarcane]

What is the meaning of Zia's Pakistan?

 

[Secur]

What is the meaning of Zia's Pakistan?

Come on! Look around yourself, the Pakistanis weren't always this extreme in their approach towards the religion.

 

[A.Rafay]

Shame on us.

 

[Sugarcane]

Come on! Look around yourself, the Pakistanis weren't always this extreme in their approach towards the religion.

Innocent people of minorities killed and looted right after creation of Pakistan was way more than total minoritiess person killed in last 66 years.

 

[Kompromat]

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can you define -- secular Islam?

Google Ibn Rushad aka Averros