PAK vs INDIA:Globalisation

[CorporateAffairs]

There's is no comparision between the two countries.
Pak has its own goals and targets.
India is a different set of goals.
I wish Pak all the very best in the new year.

 

[Khan_21]

aah pakistan economy what about it thing is it is the main thing responsible for almost all problems pakistan faces today it is basically a horrible mish mash of feudalism and croonee capitalism with a very intoxicating dose of state level corruption which never lets anything good for the common consumer till it benefits the legacy feudal and industrial and political elite .

as for terrorism lesser said the better .

I don't get one thing from the indian's and their economy. Let me break it down a little.

India GDP per capita = around $ 1600-1700
Pakistan GDP per capita = around $ 1400 - 1500

GDP (PPP)

India = $ 6000-6200
Pakistan = $ 5000

The way indian's talk of the difference between the two you would think there is huge Gap between the two. When you break it down the difference is minimal. For years in terms of GDP per capita you were behind . That too despite the military coups , Political instability in Pakistan.

Despite Everything bad about Pakistan economy you were behind for majority of the years in terms of GDP per capita. With terrorism ending in 2016 I can Imagine a resurgent Pakistan making the indian's insecure again.

As evident by many foreigners There is less visible poverty In Pakistan , less dirty and an average guy in Pakistan is likely to be more well off. Remember this is the state they thought would not survive a year let alone become a regional power, a big headache and security threat to their survival.

 

[tsinga]

I don't get one thing from the indian's and their economy. Let me break it down a little.

India GDP per capita = around $ 1600-1700
Pakistan GDP per capita = around $ 1400 - 1500

GDP (PPP)

India = $ 6000-6200
Pakistan = $ 5000

The way indian's talk of the difference between the two you would think there is huge Gap between the two. When you break it down the difference is minimal. For years in terms of GDP per capita you were behind . That too despite the military coups , Political instability in Pakistan.

Despite Everything bad about Pakistan economy you were behind for majority of the years in terms of GDP per capita. With terrorism ending in 2016 I can Imagine a resurgent Pakistan making the indian's insecure again.

As evident by many foreigners There is less visible poverty In Pakistan , less dirty and an average guy in Pakistan is likely to be more well off. Remember this is the state they thought would not survive a year let alone become a regional power, a big headache and security threat to their survival.

The difference here is that Pakistan was always less dirty and the average guy better fed than his Indian counterpart. That has simply to do with geography(fertile area) and population density(half of India).

However, Pakistan used to be much farther ahead than India on these measures, now India has started pulling ahead in them.

As far as military coups et all are concerned, that gives Pakistan an advantage. A dictator decided and implemented policies compared to India where laws get stuck in Parliament for years so that consensus can be reached.

What you must understand is that today despite the fact that India is a larger economy, it is growing faster than Pakistan by over 3 percentage points! That means that till now while our growth over Pakistan was lesser, the difference between India and Pakistan would now increase much faster, faster than it has ever before.

A decade from now, the difference between India and Pakistan on per capita basis would be much much higher than it is now.

 

[Bharat_Bhakt]

I don't get one thing from the indian's and their economy. Let me break it down a little.

India GDP per capita = around $ 1600-1700
Pakistan GDP per capita = around $ 1400 - 1500

GDP (PPP)

India = $ 6000-6200
Pakistan = $ 5000

The way indian's talk of the difference between the two you would think there is huge Gap between the two. When you break it down the difference is minimal. For years in terms of GDP per capita you were behind . That too despite the military coups , Political instability in Pakistan.

Despite Everything bad about Pakistan economy you were behind for majority of the years in terms of GDP per capita. With terrorism ending in 2016 I can Imagine a resurgent Pakistan making the indian's insecure again.

As evident by many foreigners There is less visible poverty In Pakistan , less dirty and an average guy in Pakistan is likely to be more well off. Remember this is the state they thought would not survive a year let alone become a regional power, a big headache and security threat to their survival.

Happy New year 2016

now what is the population of india and what is the population of pakistan ? our middle class is more than twice your entire population almost 400 million who have an avrage annual family income of 100000 -150000 INR never understood this 1-1.5 dollar per day system and that is the main engine of owr economy then there is upper middle class that is almost 50 -80 million strong who have an avrage family income of 1000000 to 1500000 INR who form the creamy layer and who actually are the main target of all MNCs then there is uber rich industrial elite who have the most money and are the actual movers and shakers of our economy but are just over a couple million

economy is not about your looks or the color of your skin or your racial outlook it is something based of demand and supply the main difference between indian and pakistani economy is that due to very early culling of feudalism in india avrage indian became financially and politically free rest every thing followed

 

[ThaniOruvan]

First of all. Don't compare Pakistan with India.
It is too much. Just compare yourself with your league of countries alone.

 

[Fracker]

Pakistan has to work on it's geopolitics, India can't do much harm until Pakistan does stupid steps.

I always think CPEC should get extend and there should be a tunnel or vast shipment between Oman & Pakistan And there should a road with pipeline from East Southern KSA to Oman's Sur like CPEC, which allows KSA to bypass "strait of Hormuz", which always get effected by Iran vs USA influence.

PS: KSA already has many pipelines between different countries like qatar, Bahrain, and UAE so why not Oman?

 

[Jat Boy]

PaKistan
GDP = $270 BILLION
Forex $17 billion
Growrth rate of GDP under 4%



india
GDP $2.3 trillion
Forex $360 BILLION
growth rate 7.5%

 

[ebrahym]

Pakistan is AND has been ITS OWN worst enemy for 70 YEARS plus...

Islamic extremism
Army control
double standards lying and cheating on allies like USA
ideology war of existence with india
poor leaders
poor education
limited resources wasted on arms
Pakistani attitude beg borrow steal from who we can especially friends.


ITS A VERY BAD VERY POOR IMAGE OF PAKISTANI and its PEOPLE.

And yes INDIA has exploited your mess BRILLIANTLY to LEAP A HEAD

respect your opinion but you are stuck in your anti-PAK mindset ......... i would recommend that we argue on the above topic rather than wasting time on old adversaries ...... It will be productive for both of us especially Pakistan though

No country can totally isolate it's enemy country in a mulitipolar world. A country has global influence if they have a strong economy, a strong armed forces, technological advances. Since India leads Pakistan in all of these three fields hence it has more influence in the world then Pakistan. Religious commonalty is another way of having influence over other countries. like Pakistan with Arab and middle east countries but it can cause troubles too like with Iran and Afghanistan.

okay i may have overthought that but by mean isolation i do not mean diplomatic isolation but i mean strategic isolation

you must not compare india and pakistan head to head ... that is not fair ...... pak population is less than 200 million and india's 1.2 billion ....... if we compare percentage wise pakistan is doing better than india is some fields
PAK upper class=15 million 10%
Pak middle class=90million 50%
PAK poor class=65 million 40%

India rich class =200million(equals to all PAk population but still only 10%)
india middle class=400 million (double than whole Pak population but still 40%)
india poor class=600 million (triple than PAK and nearly 50 %)

mind you this is only a rough comparison

and i strongly believe that pak and indian goals are different in region
Indians are focusing on taking on the world (indian century )
PAK is still trying for regional applaud only

PaKistan
GDP = $270 BILLION
Forex $17 billion
Growrth rate of GDP under 4%



india
GDP $2.3 trillion
Forex $360 BILLION
growth rate 7.5%

try comparing it with each ones population

 

[Bharat_Bhakt]

respect your opinion but you are stuck in your anti-PAK mindset ......... i would recommend that we argue on the above topic rather than wasting time on old adversaries ...... It will be productive for both of us especially Pakistan though


okay i may have overthought that but by mean isolation i do not mean diplomatic isolation but i mean strategic isolation

you must not compare india and pakistan head to head ... that is not fair ...... pak population is less than 200 million and india's 1.2 billion ....... if we compare percentage wise pakistan is doing better than india is some fields
PAK upper class=15 million 10%
Pak middle class=90million 50%
PAK poor class=65 million 40%

India rich class =200million(equals to all PAk population but still only 10%)
india middle class=400 million (double than whole Pak population but still 40%)
india poor class=600 million (triple than PAK and nearly 50 %)

mind you this is only a rough comparison

and i strongly believe that pak and indian goals are different in region
Indians are focusing on taking on the world (indian century )
PAK is still trying for regional applaud only


try comparing it with each ones population

only problem with your entire data is pakistan's middle class is not 50% of there populations but only 20% who are mostly people living in small medium and big cities while upper is just 5% who are mostly police beurocrats and army officials while the elite or rich is less than 1% of the population while 75% of your population are land less farmers and farm workers and workers in cities doing the various odd jobs

 

[liall]

I don't get one thing from the indian's and their economy. Let me break it down a little.

India GDP per capita = around $ 1600-1700
Pakistan GDP per capita = around $ 1400 - 1500

GDP (PPP)

India = $ 6000-6200
Pakistan = $ 5000

The way indian's talk of the difference between the two you would think there is huge Gap between the two. When you break it down the difference is minimal. For years in terms of GDP per capita you were behind . That too despite the military coups , Political instability in Pakistan.

Despite Everything bad about Pakistan economy you were behind for majority of the years in terms of GDP per capita. With terrorism ending in 2016 I can Imagine a resurgent Pakistan making the indian's insecure again.

As evident by many foreigners There is less visible poverty In Pakistan , less dirty and an average guy in Pakistan is likely to be more well off. Remember this is the state they thought would not survive a year let alone become a regional power, a big headache and security threat to their survival.

What this says is you had the advantage over us yet you threw it away.

 

[ebrahym]

only problem with your entire data is pakistan's middle class is not 50% of there populations but only 20% who are mostly people living in small medium and big cities while upper is just 5% who are mostly police beurocrats and army officials while the elite or rich is less than 1% of the population while 75% of your population are land less farmers and farm workers and workers in cities doing the various odd jobs

no yaar ..... there is a further divide in pak miidle class which is upper middle and lower middle wich makes up 25 million and 65 million respectively ... you might have got confused due to that...... and no pak elite is growing and it is around 15 million try study our economic dynamics i also used to think we dont we have elites but we do ..... and the land less you are taking aboout are the poor farmers or labours of inner sindh province and their situation is shamefull for us but they are not 75 % that is huge exaggeration

What this says is you had the advantage over us yet you threw it away.

did'nt threw it we where just unable to secure it due to our engagement in afghanistan

 

[Grevion]

okay i may have overthought that but by mean isolation i do not mean diplomatic isolation but i mean strategic isolation

you must not compare india and pakistan head to head ... that is not fair ...... pak population is less than 200 million and india's 1.2 billion ....... if we compare percentage wise pakistan is doing better than india is some fields
PAK upper class=15 million 10%
Pak middle class=90million 50%
PAK poor class=65 million 40%

India rich class =200million(equals to all PAk population but still only 10%)
india middle class=400 million (double than whole Pak population but still 40%)
india poor class=600 million (triple than PAK and nearly 50 %)

mind you this is only a rough comparison

and i strongly believe that pak and indian goals are different in region
Indians are focusing on taking on the world (indian century )
PAK is still trying for regional applaud only

First of all there are not 600 million poors in India The figure is 180 million which is still huge and that is the reason why our govt have so many plans and is spending a very large chunk of it's annual budget to reduce that.
The Indian economy is the 7th largest in the world(nominal) which means that India is 7th richest country in the world but not it's people.
I was not comparing Pakistan with India but was merely measuring influence of both the countries and the reasons behind India's growing influence. And as your thread title indicates that it is an India vs Pakistan on globalization I will not compare Pakistan with other countries such as South Korea.

 

[Brahmaputra Mail]

Foreign affairs have always obsessed me and i did an extensive research on them including both of India and Pakistan. I realized Indians immense influence on the world but I strongly reject it can cause Pakistani isolation but point of my concern is that i have read many articles written by well-known and well-reputed Indian and many other foreign relation specialist, many believe that India can isolate us or by creating its immense influence on middle east and central Asia over power Pakistan and they are surrounding Pakistan by Naval bases in gulf and Military bases in central Asia. Should we be worried or whats Pakistani central Asian strategy apart from CPEC which is still far from completion and do we have a middle east policy ???? please comment all especially Indians and senior members. @django @Zibago @MastanKhan @HRK and i strongly think that PAK vs INDIA is no longer a bilateral and regional issue its effects are deep rooted.

The only way India could have 'isolated' Pakistan was by offering China access to Indian ocean. Think about it. If India and China had 'all weather friend'-like relations between them then China would have certainly proposed a CPEC-like project on grand scale in India. Then Gwadar port would have got eclipsed. Also China would have saved significant amount of capital by investing in a port near Kolkata for access to Bay of Bengal.

PS: Ignore the distance cited in map. It's unrealistic.

PPS: Pakistan is not a land-locked country. So no total isolation. Cheers

 

[ebrahym]

First of all there are not 600 million poors in India The figure is 180 million which is still huge and that is the reason why our govt have so many plans and is spending a very large chunk of it's annual budget to reduce that.
The Indian economy is the 7th largest in the world(nominal) which means that India is 7th richest country in the world but not it's people.
I was not comparing Pakistan with India but was merely measuring influence of both the countries and the reasons behind India's growing influence. And as your thread title indicates that it is an India vs Pakistan on globalization I will not compare Pakistan with other countries such as South Korea.[/QUOTE

The only way India could have 'isolated' Pakistan was by offering China access to Indian ocean. Think about it. If India and China had 'all weather friend'-like relations between them then China would have certainly proposed a CPEC-like project on grand scale in India. Then Gwadar port would have got eclipsed. Also China would have saved significant amount of capital by investing in a port near Kolkata for access to Bay of Bengal.

PS: Ignore the distance cited in map. It's unrealistic.

PPS: Pakistan is not a land-locked country. So no total isolation. Cheers

as i recall after the announcement of CPEC PM Modi visited china and offered two such corridors one through aksai chin and kashmir and other through myanmar-bangladesh-india ......... thats what i read in media can you speculate their possibilities because the eastern one ... through myanmar-bangladesh-india is in favour of all....and i say again by isolation i donot mean diplomatic isolation but strategic isolation

 

[Brahmaputra Mail]

as i recall after the announcement of CPEC PM Modi visited china and offered two such corridors one through aksai chin and kashmir and other through myanmar-bangladesh-india ......... thats what i read in media can you speculate their possibilities because the eastern one ... through myanmar-bangladesh-india is in favour of all....and i say again by isolation i donot mean diplomatic isolation but strategic isolation

Akshai Chin route is not feasible because China has already invested on CPEC. Regarding Myanmar-Bangladesh-India it doesn't make sense because China and India have a trade route through Nathula Pass in Sikkim. Sikkim's neighbouring state is West Bengal which has access to Bay of Bengal and therefore makes the route feasible compared to Myanmar route. Although China may build a port in Myanmar to access Bay of Bengal since relation is not that good enough between India and China to the point that China will invest in infrastructure in India. I think PLAN maintains a listening post in Coco Islands (Myanmar).

Overall I have a firm belief if India-China-Pakistan improve their ties then trade routes from Central Asia, Eurasia and South-East Asia will open up.

Also have a look at International North South Transport Corridor that India is banking on for now:

INSTC

International North-South Transport Corridor: Re-energising India’s Gateway to Eurasia | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses