Pak Uses Terrorist Outfits as Proxies, Says US Army General

[gutto786]

One problem that we need to deal with is, Pakistan is the state where the tug of war is being played still. Pakistan is still a war ground for these major regional and global powers. US passes a statement, China counters it, Russia makes a deal, US counters it, Afghan president bent towards Pakistan, India counters it!

Please take away the focus from Pakistan and let us live a simple and prosperous lives, Take ur wars with you and leave us alone once for all for God's sake!!

Everyone wants Pakistan yet no one owns Pakistan

 

[Kompromat]

I'm going to try something new and reply with quotes:

President Lyndon B. Johnson once summarized the American political approach for these kinds of situations perfectly: "It's probably better to have [Pakistan] inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in."

And another applicable pithy comment, this time from President Franklin Delano Roosevelt: "[Pakistan]'s a bastard, but it's our bastard."

And who could forget Voltaire? "Perfect is the enemy of good."

Pakistan is the ally we have, not necessarily the ally we wish we had. So if Pakistan is stirring up trouble with its left hand while it's helping with its right hand, we have to deal with that reality, not excommunicate it.

Oh please give me a break, America is the inventor of "proxy warfare". Mujahideen, Syria, Iraq are just a few examples. Its like a pot calling the kettle black.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Oh please give me a break, America is the inventor of "proxy warfare". Mujahideen, Syria, Iraq are just a few examples. Its like a pot calling the kettle black.

I suppose the difference is that Americans develop proxies far from our shores, whereas others tend to develop proxies in neighboring countries, or even worse, internally. Proxies have a habit of eventually slipping their leash; at least the American proxies are far away from America, so we can better control the outcome when that happens.

When we start developing proxies in Mexico (or Canada, one can never be too complacent with the Canuckian horde next door), I will change my username to LeveragedKettle. Deal?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistan uses terrorist outfits as proxies: US army general Joseph Dunford

WASHINGTON: In a tacit acknowledgement that Pakistan continues to rely on terrorist outfits as proxies to serve as an instrument of national security policy, a top American general today told lawmakers that the US and Pakistan have differences on the issue, but asserted that financial and military aid to Islamabad would continue.

"Areas of divergent interest with Pakistan include our views on the use of proxies and the importance of a positive and stable Pakistan-India relationship," General Joseph Dunford, the nominee for the position of US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the Senate Armed Services Committee in a written response to questions during his confirmation hearing.

Dunford said key US strategic interests in Pakistan are preventing al-Qaeda's resurgence in Afghanistan and Pakistan, to limit its ability to attack America, preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons and technology, and promoting regional stability, including a peaceful outcome in Afghanistan.

Noting that the relationship with Pakistan is fundamental to the US' vital national security interests, Dunford said the US will need to continue cooperation with Pakistan to defeat Al Qaeda, support Pakistan's stability, and achieve a lasting peace in Afghanistan.

Responding to a question, Dunford said Pakistan has cooperated with the US in its operations against Al Qaeda and other terrorist organisations.

Pakistan's actions in North Waziristan and other areas of western Pakistan have disrupted groups that are a threat to US personnel and objectives in Afghanistan.

"We will continue to work with Pakistan to do more," he said.

Pak Uses Terrorist Outfits as Proxies, Says US Army General

The General knows this because we are his ex students. Pakistan learnt from the best of the best. USA. We had the privilage to get training from non other than CIA between 1979 and 1989. Thank you America.

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Ps. Does anybody know the American synonym for "proxy"? Yes, it is "Mujahideen". *According to Websters Concise Thesaurus.

Down memory lane. Proxy .... Sorry "Mujahideen" meet El Presidente.

 

[Yousafzai_M]

Pakistan uses terrorist outfits as proxies: US army general Joseph Dunford

WASHINGTON: In a tacit acknowledgement that Pakistan continues to rely on terrorist outfits as proxies to serve as an instrument of national security policy, a top American general today told lawmakers that the US and Pakistan have differences on the issue, but asserted that financial and military aid to Islamabad would continue.

"Areas of divergent interest with Pakistan include our views on the use of proxies and the importance of a positive and stable Pakistan-India relationship," General Joseph Dunford, the nominee for the position of US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the Senate Armed Services Committee in a written response to questions during his confirmation hearing.

Dunford said key US strategic interests in Pakistan are preventing al-Qaeda's resurgence in Afghanistan and Pakistan, to limit its ability to attack America, preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons and technology, and promoting regional stability, including a peaceful outcome in Afghanistan.

Noting that the relationship with Pakistan is fundamental to the US' vital national security interests, Dunford said the US will need to continue cooperation with Pakistan to defeat Al Qaeda, support Pakistan's stability, and achieve a lasting peace in Afghanistan.

Responding to a question, Dunford said Pakistan has cooperated with the US in its operations against Al Qaeda and other terrorist organisations.

Pakistan's actions in North Waziristan and other areas of western Pakistan have disrupted groups that are a threat to US personnel and objectives in Afghanistan.

"We will continue to work with Pakistan to do more," he said.

Pak Uses Terrorist Outfits as Proxies, Says US Army General

Yawns.......

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I suppose the difference is that Americans develop proxies far from our shores, whereas others tend to develop proxies in neighboring countries, or even worse, internally. Proxies have a habit of eventually slipping their leash; at least the American proxies are far away from America, so we can better control the outcome when that happens.

When we start developing proxies in Mexico (or Canada, one can never be too complacent with the Canuckian horde next door), I will change my username to LeveragedKettle. Deal?

Nice sense of humour. Are you American?

 

[haviZsultan]

Well if it comes to complaining we should and must be raising the question of our interests. The United States released people like Pacha Khan Zardan and Abdullah Mehsud from prison supposedly and the first thing they did when they came to Pakistan was kill innocent Pakistani civilians. An ex-spokesman for the TTP from Swat is Muslim Khan who lived in the united states for a long time as a painter. US also killed Nazir when he was on the verge of declaring all out war on the Tehreek E Taliban Pakistan, thus protecting them being the traitors they are. A bombing by him killed around a dozen TTP members in Wana almost immediately before his demise in a US drone strike.

Furthermore in the 1980's the US backed jihadi militias and supported a terrorist supporting dictator known as Zia Ul Haq just to see the pleasure of a Soviet defeat, something they couldn't have gained without the backing of Pakistan. Being the traitorous people they are after the war was over they abandoned Afghanistan and Pakistan and launched sanctions on us under the Presler Amendment.

I would like to note that not a day, a single day passes with US assertions against Pakistan claiming we harbor militants. If we wanted to we could give the US fire and death in Afghanistan but recently we launched Zarb E Azb which was also against the Haqqanis a group almost solely engaged in Afghanistan which we had no need to target.

@Solomon2 @TruthSeeker We see you as nothing but traitors. We should have first chosen Russia as an ally. Down with US.

 

[VCheng]

We see you as nothing but traitors. We should have first chosen Russia as an ally. Down with US.

Nothing is stopping Pakistan from rectifying this mistake now. Russia is still there for you. Go for it!

 

[Armstrong]

@Icarus - And you kept silent throughout this ?

Surely our Generals know a fact or two about what the Americans have been up to which could've been shared at an appropriate time at an appropriate venue with an appropriate audience !

Idhar sareiii lasssii piii kar kiyun soiii rehteiii hain ? From GHQ to FO to the Interior Ministry to even the Baldie at the helm of the country ?

 

[RazorMC]

Where does it say Pakistan uses proxies?

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Nice sense of humour. Are you American?

Thank you. Yes, I am American.

 

[Anees]

Not Surprise ....

Snakes in your backyard won't bite only neighbours: Hillary to Pak

 

[Icarus]

@Icarus - And you kept silent throughout this ?

Surely our Generals know a fact or two about what the Americans have been up to which could've been shared at an appropriate time at an appropriate venue with an appropriate audience !

Idhar sareiii lasssii piii kar kiyun soiii rehteiii hain ? From GHQ to FO to the Interior Ministry to even the Baldie at the helm of the country ?

Nothing we haven't heard before, we silence our detractors through performance alone. Today, I can drive to any town in FATA without an ROD without any danger, can the good general instruct one of his officers to try the same in Nangrahar? Or maybe Raqqa? The US has met Vietnam 2.0 in Afghanistan and Iraq, they barged in on a completely alien party but they couldn't dance to the rhythm and now they need a convenient scapegoat, cue Pakistan.

 

[Rain]

USA saying! Which country is not using proxies?

 

[haviZsultan]

@Icarus - And you kept silent throughout this ?

Surely our Generals know a fact or two about what the Americans have been up to which could've been shared at an appropriate time at an appropriate venue with an appropriate audience !

Idhar sareiii lasssii piii kar kiyun soiii rehteiii hain ? From GHQ to FO to the Interior Ministry to even the Baldie at the helm of the country ?

There is enough to say US is complicit in promoting terrorism in foreign states. Their only concern is to halt any strike against them or their country. To defend them Afghans and Iraqi's are paying the blood price. Yet a single american soldier when killed sparks fury from US. The US foreign policy epitomizes everything our foreign policy should be.

That country has screwed half the world, has 700+ military bases and troops in countries, is the only state to have used a nuclear weapon and yet this hegemonic state talks like it is the leader of this world. When US falls I will smile and congratulate the rest of the world. Surely.