Pak race for tactical nukes adds new poison to the mix

[SamranAli]

double post

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

It will be "Moral defeat" along with military defeat for Indians, if they ever decide to use nuclear weapon against civilians after their aggression is thoroughly checked and their "mighty strike corps" are gone..

Pakistan has never desired to use nuclear weapon on civilians and always maintained its strategic nuclear weapon as a deterrent. We are a responsible nation and Indian civilians are not our enemies. Also we are worried for our large number of Muslim brothers in India also.

International law give us the right to defend our motherland against foreign invasion. So use of TNW on aggressive IA will be justified.

There is nothing called Moral defeat in a war..you attack us with tanks ...we reply with anti tanks missiles...you throw nukes..we throw nukes... simple.

Everything else is garbage.

 

[airmarshal]

Way to go Pakistan!! Thats the way it should be. The only way to keep enemies at bay is to have a strong defense and deterrence. Along with strong economy, a strong defence is a must.

Pakistan's weapons add instability but India's weapons will add stability. Now who defines that? The latent argument is that Pakistan must accept India's hegemony and monopoly to define pace. Pakistan will never accept that!

 

[vsdoc]

I see a dangerous trend here of saying "just a few armored columns" in comparison to millions of civilian casualties.

When hostilities break out, rest assured India will take both Nasr and Hatf into consideration, and rest assured will have an answer to that.

Our position is very clear. Has been articulated often enough so there can be no misunderstanding later internationally.

An attack of an attacking Indian formation with a nuke will be construed as a nuclear attack on India and will be met with an all out response. One flies, all fly.

Knowing our geography, there will be no holding back.

This is assuming you detonate the nuke above the advancing Indian columns.

Detonate it in front, just short, and it would at best delay the advance. There would be no game of poker once the tanks start rolling.

In any case, were hostilities to cross that threshold, it is clear that the first volley will include sub-metropolis sized reprisal target/s in an instant volley.

Non-negotiable, battleground response.

Doctrine.

Long before any hot line or international brokering gets into the picture.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Not as amazing as Pakistanis complacency with tactical nukes option as a panacea. With no confidence in their conventional forces.

We have full confidence in our conventional power, looking at the balance of power, its very unlikely that IA will be able to smash PA's defences in a short war. But its always good to have a Plan B, there is always a possibility that lady luck might be on India's side and there is a Manstien or a Guederian in the IA General Staff.

An attack of an attacking Indian formation with a nuke will be construed as a nuclear attack on India and will be met with an all out response. One flies, all fly.

Result: Complete annihilation of South Asia

 

[Armstrong]

Its quite amazing that some Indians believe that India will come out unscathed in a nuclear war. Maybe they are forgetting but Pakistan has nukes that number in the triple digits now.

Mate I think it goes beyond the 'the next strike is going to be strategic' ambit ! Its more of a - We've got options baby so if you attack you be dead sure that Pakistan won't lob a tactical nuke at an advancing Indian column irrespective of whether Lahore falls or Chichu ki Malian ! Our threshold is our own, your targets are sweet & we're not going to play by the rules & have this conflict protracted beyond the point we know our reserves won't be able to see us through ! The question : We say we'd use it & if, as per many, it really is in answer to the CSD then you can bet your arse that we've got a much lower threshold than otherwise. So the real question is : Are we bluffing or do we mean it ? And don't give me that BS argument that once a tactical nuke is fired you're no first use policy becomes redundant & even strategic nukes are on the table for if you think that your Army High Command is willing to chug a nuke at Lahore in answer for us obliterating an advancing Indian column in say Rajashtan then do build some fall-out shelters because we're not going to sit back.

Pakistan will never...ever use a Strategic Nuke but we don't face that dilemma in case of a Tactical Nuke ! If the IA is willing to call our assertions a bluff then we will fight; however as it so happens the cost of a conventional war with Pakistan is disproportionately large when compared with the same in the past...we're not going to run out of bullets like '65 nor are we engaged in a civil war a 1000 kms away from Indian territory & in the meantime we too have come up with some nice goodies that ensure enormous losses on both sides even in a conventional war. Add to that the Tactical Nukes we seem to be making, developing & refining the cost just jumped exponentially higher for the Indian High Command before any action would be preoccupied with cruelly important questions like : What really is their threshold level ? What if they're not bluffing ? How many men are we prepared to loose to risk finding it that out ?

That gentlemen is the ultimate deterrent ! Neither Pakistan nor India will go to war because the costs are so high that they will never be worth any adventure by either side. And besides in this age you truly fight with the pen, the paper & the pence...right now we're cornered on each of those things by our Indian counterparts.

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

I see a dangerous trend here of saying "just a few armored columns" in comparison to millions of civilian casualties.

When hostilities break out, rest assured India will take both Nasr and Hatf into consideration, and rest assured will have an answer to that.

Our position is very clear. Has been articulated often enough so there can be no misunderstanding later internationally.

An attack of an attacking Indian formation with a nuke will be construed as a nuclear attack on India and will be met with an all out response. One flies, all fly.

Knowing our geography, there will be no holding back.

This is assuming you detonate the nuke above the advancing Indian columns.

Detonate it in front, just short, and it would at best delay the advance. There would be no game of poker once the tanks start rolling.

In any case, were hostilities to cross that threshold, it is clear that the first volley will include sub-metropolis sized reprisal target/s in an instant volley.

Non-negotiable, battleground response.

Doctrine.

Long before any hot line or international brokering gets into the picture.

I doubt your rank of senior member in this forum. How many tanks have you got and how much infantry can you accumulate for an attack on Pakistan?
Rest assure that after a TNW on your attacking corps, you will not be left with anything to fight.

Hmm send Katrina Kaif then in battlefield and i will be there to fight with that beauty

 

[Secur]

Its quite amazing that some Indians believe that India will come out unscathed in a nuclear war. Maybe they are forgetting but Pakistan has nukes that number in the triple digits now.

Seems to be prevailing opinion in the Indian public , not surprising considering how widely it is propagated by the Indian media that somehow they will live to see another day ! Or maybe because some people have trouble comprehending that nukes do not just affect the area they are delivered on ...

 

[vsdoc]

I doubt your rank of senior member in this forum. How many tanks have you got and how much infantry can you accumulate for an attack on Pakistan?
Rest assure that after a TNW on your attacking corps, you will not be left with anything to fight.

Hmm send Katrina Kaif then in battlefield and i will be there to fight with that beauty

You simply cannot kill enough fast enough.

This will not be a turkey shoot with the attack formation concentrated for a wipe-out. Not to mention a mobile target.

All you will do is play your hand.

A very weak and sub-optimal hand.

I doubt your Generals will take that call.

Not when they know the promised response.

 

[Secur]

An attack of an attacking Indian formation with a nuke will be construed as a nuclear attack on India and will be met with an all out response. One flies, all fly.

And still you are going round and round in circles ! Is the IA's top brass willing to risk billions for some few IBG's / Armoured columns ?

Actually all fly from both direction ... You wont be alone ...

 

[airmarshal]

Writer consistently denied CSD is not endorsed by political leadership. Yet Indian army in recent war exercises practiced the concept of CSD. That's the credibility of writer. It seems it was a ISI and PA bashing article he wrote instead of talking about tactical nukes.

They are scared to death. If we keep unity in our country and keep the interest of our country first, trust no world power can ever attack us from inside or outside. What to talk about India!

 

[Secur]

Not when they know the promised response.

Will your Generals knowing that the attack on Indian army isn't an attack on the civilian population ? Response will be ready from both sides ... You are doing what your lot is best at , assuming the best case scenario for yourself whilst the worst for Pakistan ...

 

[Rajputana]

Awesome, we have managed to push Pakistanis back conventionally to such an extent they have to consider nuking their own territory !!!!

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

You simply cannot kill enough fast enough.

This will not be a turkey shoot with the attack formation concentrated for a wipe-out. Not to mention a mobile target.

All you will do is play your hand.

A very weak and sub-optimal hand.

I doubt your Generals will take that call.

Not when they know the promised response.

Oh bhai.. go get some knowledge about attacking formations. Also read about armored thrust.
Any armored thrust need some momentum and a specific amount of men+machine. Without this critical mass you can not achieve anything. If really IA has such tactics that they will try to push in with 4 tanks + Platoon, then surely Pakistan does not need a TNW. Such small formations will be an easy picking for PA. God bless you dear. You have made my day

 

[Secur]

Not as amazing as Pakistanis complacency with tactical nukes option as a panacea. With no confidence in their conventional forces.

Well if you weren't following the discussion properly , we are merely hypothesizing a " worst-case scenario " here for PA ...

Awesome, we have managed to push Pakistanis back conventionally to such an extent they have to consider nuking their own territory !!!!

It so happens that there is negligible population in the areas where tactical nukes are likely to be delivered ...