Pak PM Imran Khan and Subramanian Swamy tussle on twitter

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

goes, "anyone who doesn't agree with my political view is a Nazi"

You’re dissembling and you know it - we are not talking about ‘disagreement over political views’ such as economic policy or public vs private health insurance, we’re talking about outright hate-mongering and bigotry.

Swamy’s comments are clear. They cannot be excused or justified using the rationale you attempted.

You either condemn bigotry and hate or support & justify it.

 

[Chhatrapati]

You’re dissembling and you know it - we are not talking about ‘disagreement over political views’ such as economic policy or public vs private health insurance, we’re talking about outright hate-mongering and bigotry.

Swamy’s comments are clear. They cannot be excused or justified using the rationale you attempted.

You either condemn bigotry and hate or support & justify it.

Oh, the masala highlights sure seems he's a bigot. But anyone who sees his past speeches on the issue gets what he meant. Not that I expect you to understand.

Besides, what right Pakistan has to talk about religious nationalism when your own country is formed as a result of religious nationalism. If that was Nazism, then the first nazi country in Asia will be Pakistan and the Nazi party is Muslim league then RSS. All I see is mirror image.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

You guys are too much in awe of Yogi, Subram, Modi and Amit Shah. They are hardly that powerful they are made out to be. India is constitutional democracy with strong federal structure governed by rule of law which is secular. BJP and Modi who won 305 seats in general election of Lokshabha can't five seats in Delhi state election. All policies of the govt go thorough test of legality by the courts. States have own executive powers that center can't snatch and impose itself easily including control over police. People who crying horse of over Modi rule are more politically driven.

Otherwise, in last six years, muslim weren't discriminated and left out of any manner in central govt welfare program.

They were cases of lynching, but many of them were congress ruled state where Modi influence hardly exist, in fact e,g in communist ruled Kerala there are more numbers of RSS/BJP killin in one year than mob lynching of muslims in last five years.

If anything, it becoming common crib among Hindu RW that Modi is going too soft muslims and not following hardcore hindutva agendda as @nilupule often says in this forum.

Checks and balances have failed under hindutva. The ONLY sc judge who criticised BJP's recent machinations was summarily dismissed. Silencing critics is not what democratic nations do.

 

[Balbir]

Good point, then i wonder why Muslims in India have been screaming at the top of their lungs that they are getting butchered. Feel free to engage in a discussion with Indian Muslims on this very forum, and let them know what you just told me as an Indian Hindu. Even the average Germans till the late 1930's used to say that Jews were not being discriminated against, reminds me kind of you.

Muslims (some), also modi baiting Hindus in India have been screaming at the top of their lungs because they can do it here in India, because nobody stifling their voice, nobody taking away their mic and camera when they giving interview to foreign media sitting in their cosy houses in Delhi and Mumbai, nobody sending them to 'camps' for screaming against the govt in columns and public speeches.

Germany ?? Kya baat karte ho ?? Kya baat karte ho ?? Forget Germans of late 1930's, Nazis were killing in people in late 20s. But why go that far into history and far away Germany, I'll give you example of a place closer home, aka Pakistan where half of opposition leaders, media house owners, public intellectuals are either in prison or living in forced exile abroad, while even Modi's most vocal and strident critics enjoying their lives in comfort of home in India.

 

[xeuss]

You’re dissembling and you know it - we are not talking about ‘disagreement over political views’ such as economic policy or public vs private health insurance, we’re talking about outright hate-mongering and bigotry.

Swamy’s comments are clear. They cannot be excused or justified using the rationale you attempted.

You either condemn bigotry and hate or support & justify it.

The situation India is in these days, the Hindus have a simple choice. You either stand up against and disown the fascism in your society, or if you are silent, you are a collaborator of this Nazi regime.

 

[hussain0216]

It was a dream of our greatest scientist, leader and a man.

As you are aware that he was a Muslim. I really feel pain when anyone make fun of him. He is my ideal after my parents, along with Mr. Atal bihari Vajpayee.

He was a joke, whose community is now suffering and under attack from the hindutva state he helped protect

He is probably burning in hell

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistani members: It’s been reiterated multiple times that attacks on a faith of abusing a member are not acceptable. Please refrain from violating forum rules - you can make your point without resorting to such language.

Indian members: There is nothing to defend in Swamy’s comments in the OP. They are disgusting and hate-mongering. Only those of you who are bigots could sit here and defend or justify them. When the offense is as clear cut as it is here, it wouldn’t be unpatriotic or anti-national of you to just condemn them and take the opportunity to build bridges with Pakistanis or your own Indian Muslims.

Assalam alaikum brother, can something be done about these Indian trolls? It is becoming exhausting again. The same IDs come to every thread saying the same things over and over. We don't get past the back and forths.

Every single comment is basically this train of thought "But XYZ is much worse than India, therefore don't say anything to India."

If anything, it becoming common crib among Hindu RW that Modi is going too soft muslims and not following hardcore hindutva agendda as @nilupule often says in this forum.

You have been a member for only a few days and yet you know banned ID Nilu Pilu very well. Seems like we have seen you before in another banned ID.

We have no need for a spinster and unofficial spokesman for Modi and gang. The words of BJP leaders are free for everyone to hear, they don't require any explanation.

Pakistan where half of opposition leaders, media house owners, public intellectuals are either in prison or living in forced exile abroad,

Such preposterous claims require evidence.

 

[SIPRA]

The situation India is in these days, the Hindus have a simple choice. You either stand up against and disown the fascism in your society, or if you are silent, you are a collaborator of this Nazi regime.

Above 95% of elite and educated Hindus are Hindutvadis, of varying shades and grades. I will keep on hammering this message on PDF.

Yeh sub aik he thaeli kay chattay battay haen.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

while even Modi's most vocal and strident critics enjoying their lives in comfort of home in India.

You mean like Zakir Naik?

 

[xeuss]

You mean like Zakir Naik?

Aatish Taseer?

 

[notorious_eagle]

I'll give you example of a place closer home, aka Pakistan where half of opposition leaders, media house owners, public intellectuals are either in prison or living in forced exile abroad,

Opposition Leader: Nawaz Sharif (convicted by Supreme Court and by far the most corrupt person in Pakistan or maybe the World's history)
Media House Owner: Mir Shakeel Ur Rehman (known blackmailer, and charged with property fraud. Anyone with a decent mind for real estate knows how much corruption he committed)
Public Intellectual: Please name me one.

while even Modi's most vocal and strident critics enjoying their lives in comfort of home in India.

Fair enough. Where is Dr. Zakir Naik?

But the average Muslim is living in fear of their home not knowing when riots like in Delhi will happen destroying their businesses and homes. Not to mention, Muslims on the streets getting abducted by Hinduvta brigades and lynched. I haven't seen that happening in Pakistan. In fact, our PM issued out the sternest warning that anyone harming the Hindu community in Pakistan will be dealt. While the PM of India just stays quite as Muslims get butchered around the country.

But man you take the cake. In your opinion, Modi has no power. Then i wonder who has power in India. hahaha

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Above 95% of elite and educated Hindus are Hindutvadis, of varying shades and grades. I will keep on hammering this message on PDF.

Yeh sub aik he thaeli kay chattay battay haen.

Quaid e Azam saw all of this early on, in the height of their smokes and mirrors of secularism and nationalism. Subhan Allah. When Allah swt blesses a leader with vision, he can see through even the most elaborate of tricks.

Today every Muslim in India is saying the same thing, Quaid e Azam was right.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Aatish Taseer?

@xeuss How's the family doing in India? I am hearing very grave stories from my Indian Muslim friends.

Would you elaborate some of the stories

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Oh, the masala highlights sure seems he's a bigot. But anyone who sees his past speeches on the issue gets what he meant. Not that I expect you to understand.

Besides, what right Pakistan has to talk about religious nationalism when your own country is formed as a result of religious nationalism. If that was Nazism, then the first nazi country in Asia will be Pakistan and the Nazi party is Muslim league then RSS. All I see is mirror image.

Why would you expect anyone to go back and look at past speeches? I don’t care if his past speeches referenced a Utopia where everyone was equal - we are debating his comments in the OP.

What you can do is provide us the complete text of his comments under question and highlight the sections where you think it was edited or cut out. Barring that, his comments speak for themselves, as does your justification of his comments.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

In fact, our PM issued out the sternest warning that anyone harming the Hindu community in Pakistan will be dealt.

This alone should put to rest any propaganda that we are anti-Hindu.

Goverment of Pakistan is renovating ancient Hindu and Buddhist shrines in Pakistan, like Katas Raj. When I went there, I met some Pakistani Hindu worshippers. They were very glad with the actions taken by the Pakistani government.

I myself grew up with Christian Pakistanis, how can I hate my best friends and compatriots? What alot of Indians do not realize is that even Non-Muslims in Pakistan follow Muslim culture, they wear hijab, topi, shalwar kameez, listen to naat, ghazals, and mushairi, and even attend Islamic holidays.

Even our 'Hindu' Pakistanis do not consider themselves Hindus like Indians, but they believe themselves to be following an older Aryan (Iranic) faith. In this way, they are in total harmony with their blood Muslim kith and kin and appalled at the oppression happening to Indian Muslims.