Pak PM Imran Khan and Subramanian Swamy tussle on twitter

[Raj-Hindustani]

Your questions are based on the same old propaganda that has been so emblematic of Hindu India today. What you are doing is simply regurgitating the same propaganda in a question form.

It is like me questioning, why do Hindu priests rape women? There may be no Hindu priest that rapes a woman, but when I ask a question like this, I am simply promoting a lie by framing it as a question.

If you really wanted an answer to the questions you pose, there is enough material online to peruse through and come up with reasonable, educated answers. There have been many scholarly studies by commissions and institutes in India and around the world that would confirm your thoughts as prejudicial.

However, it is obvious, that you are not seeking answers to your questions, but rather trying to reinforce your prejudices.

Sorry bro, I don't know which article you are taking about.. What I have seen and observed that I m telling.

If only Hindu rapes women then no any other Muslim countries comes in top ten list in UN website.

I have ask a very genuine questions..

I don't blame to Hindu for 2002 riots because it happened and started due to a few Muslims who burned a train and many people died including kids.

So. Again I would say that if you living in any country and minorities will such things then reaction will be happened.

Also I said, Hindus are also not saint people. We have dirty politicians ( I called them idiots) in India. They will not miss any such opportunities.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

For us and for much of the Free world, Pakistan, it's constitution, its people and it's leaders are the textbook example of racists. The closest nation-state to Nazism with formalized, organized, codified Nazi style policies.

In a clear example of religious discrimination, Articles 41(2) and 91(3) of the Constitution strictly bar non-Muslims from holding the two most influential positions of government in the country, namely that of the head of state and the Prime Minister.

Even the wording for blasphemy laws clearly state where other religions lie in the hierarchy of respect in Pakistani constitution.
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A Pakistani talking or comparing about anyone, even Nazi Germany, is the stuff of ironies, to the extent it's not even funny.

A Pakistan so brutal, so systematically cruel, so bigoted, so born of hatred that hundreds of poor Hindus leave even their meagre belongings and flee the nation to India every year dares to talk about Nazism. A country that has annihilated it's minorities and has systematically targeted them throughout it's entire existence speaks of Nazis. Don't make us laugh.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/05/world/asia/pakistan-hindu-india-modi.html


For us you are the living embodiment of nazism. Your PM can go and say whatever he likes. Your bloody constitution, those tens of thousands of refugees fleeing Pakistan are proof of what Pakistan is.

Meanwhile back at home:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1230790442259644417

 

[xeuss]

Sorry bro, I don't know which article you are taking about.. What I have seen and observed that I m telling.

If only Hindu rapes women then no any other Muslim countries comes in top ten list in UN website.

I have ask a very genuine questions..

I don't blame to Hindu for 2002 riots because it happened and started due to a few Muslims who burned a train and many people died including kids.

So. Again I would say that if you living in any country and minorities will such things then reaction will be happened.

Also I said, Hindus are also not saint people. We have dirty politicians ( I called them idiots) in India. They will not miss any such opportunities.

As I said before, your "genuine questions" are nothing but regurgitating of the propaganda. It is quite obvious when you make the statement "I don't blame to Hindu for 2002 riots because it happened and started due to a few Muslims who burned a train and many people died including kids."

First of all, let us assume that the Muslims did burn down the train in Godhra. Would you rather have the upholders of the law punish those "specific muslims that committed the crime" or would you rather have Hindus go on a killing spree and kill thousands of Muslims in Ahmedabad, who had no relation to the crime.

That my friend, is the difference between a civilized society, and an uncivilized and depraved Hindu society. Your statements above, confirm that you belong very comfortably in the latter.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

As I said before, your "genuine questions" are nothing but regurgitating of the propaganda. It is quite obvious when you make the statement "I don't blame to Hindu for 2002 riots because it happened and started due to a few Muslims who burned a train and many people died including kids."

First of all, let us assume that the Muslims did burn down the train in Godhra. Would you rather have the upholders of the law punish those "specific muslims that committed the crime" or would you rather have Hindus go on a killing spree and kill thousands of Muslims in Ahmedabad, who had no relation to the crime.

That my friend, is the difference between a civilized society, and an uncivilized and depraved Hindu society. Your statements above, confirm that you belong very comfortably in the latter.

Indeed. Moreover, the timeline thrown by bhakts in every single defence of their right to massacre Muslims never seems to start with the killing of Muslim civilians by Hindutva zealots at Ayodhya.

I'm old enough to remember how the story panned out vividly.

 

[SIPRA]

As I said before, your "genuine questions" are nothing but regurgitating of the propaganda. It is quite obvious when you make the statement "I don't blame to Hindu for 2002 riots because it happened and started due to a few Muslims who burned a train and many people died including kids."

First of all, let us assume that the Muslims did burn down the train in Godhra. Would you rather have the upholders of the law punish those "specific muslims that committed the crime" or would you rather have Hindus go on a killing spree and kill thousands of Muslims in Ahmedabad, who had no relation to the crime.

That my friend, is the difference between a civilized society, and an uncivilized and depraved Hindu society. Your statements above, confirm that you belong very comfortably in the latter.

As I said somewhere else:
"Yeh sub Hindutvadi aik he thaeli kay chattay battay hae"

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

As I said before, your "genuine questions" are nothing but regurgitating of the propaganda. It is quite obvious when you make the statement "I don't blame to Hindu for 2002 riots because it happened and started due to a few Muslims who burned a train and many people died including kids."

First of all, let us assume that the Muslims did burn down the train in Godhra. Would you rather have the upholders of the law punish those "specific muslims that committed the crime" or would you rather have Hindus go on a killing spree and kill thousands of Muslims in Ahmedabad, who had no relation to the crime.

That my friend, is the difference between a civilized society, and an uncivilized and depraved Hindu society. Your statements above, confirm that you belong very comfortably in the latter.

Agreed!

I m again not justifying what happened in Gujarat. Killing any innocent can not be justify by anyone.

Also, The Citizenship Act, 1955, is there for all Indian citizens.

I m not defending to Hindu but in civil society also no one burn the trains and let people die including kids.

Also, I said that Hindus are not a saint people. So, it was unfortunate but reaction happened and dirty politics and politician's were involved as well.

But I will give many other countries examples where minorities conditions are too bad compare to India.

Let me give my example, I belong from north India but recently purchased house in Bangalore and trying to settle.

But, if I ho outside then people talk in Kannada, Tamil etc.... Being a minorities ( north India), I do compromise and still try to communicate with best possible way (Hindi/English).

If anything happens and need to say sorry than i say and move on. Example if you touch your car to any other car than they will speak in local language if you don't know being a north India then they will beat you.

Its not about religious but being a minorities.

 

[xeuss]

Agreed!

I m again not justifying what happened in Gujarat. Killing any innocent can not be justify by anyone.

Also, The Citizenship Act, 1955, is there for all Indian citizens.

I m not defending to Hindu but in civil society also no one burn the trains and let people die including kids.

Also, I said that Hindus are not a saint people. So, it was unfortunate but reaction happened and dirty politics and politician's were involved as well.

But I will give many other countries examples where minorities conditions are too bad compare to India.

Let me give my example, I belong from north India but recently purchased house in Bangalore and trying to settle.

But, if I ho outside then people talk in Kannada, Tamil etc.... Being a minorities ( north India), I do compromise and still try to communicate with best possible way (Hindi/English).

If anything happens and need to say sorry than i say and move on. Example if you touch your car to any other car than they will speak in local language if you don't know being a north India then they will beat you.

Its not about religious but being a minorities.

I am afraid, but your personal example is really not applicable here, though I am sure well intentioned. You trying to speak Kannada and communicate with locals is akin to me going to China and trying to communicate with Chinese. In either case, no one is being killed neither is anyone being subjected to selective application of laws.

Just as an FYI - there is ample evidence that the train fire in Godhra was accidental, though there was spat between Muslim vendors at the station and the largely Hindu occupants of the train bogie.

I do not wish to further engage in this discussion over Godhra, because I am sure both of us can produce evidence to buttress our position (mine will be stronger...). That in itself, is irrelevant.

What you will surely agree, is that the problem that plagues India is not the crime that is committed, but the selective application of justice and the vigilantism that accompanies it, almost always with the connivance and explicit endorsement by the upholders of justice.

As I maintained earlier, if a Muslim in India commits a crime, go ahead and punish him/her. What we all object to, is the vilification of the Muslims as a community, the selective application of laws against Muslims, and the constant hatred that is perpetuated within your community.

I am sure you came to PDF to gain a different perspective and widen your intellect. Think of yourself as having succeeded when you stop that WhatsApp forward or challenge your friends and family when they do the same.

 

[ColonelSanders]

For us and for much of the Free world, Pakistan, it's constitution, its people and it's leaders are the textbook example of racists. The closest nation-state to Nazism with formalized, organized, codified Nazi style policies.

In a clear example of religious discrimination, Articles 41(2) and 91(3) of the Constitution strictly bar non-Muslims from holding the two most influential positions of government in the country, namely that of the head of state and the Prime Minister.

Even the wording for blasphemy laws clearly state where other religions lie in the hierarchy of respect in Pakistani constitution.
View attachment 620752
A Pakistani talking or comparing about anyone, even Nazi Germany, is the stuff of ironies, to the extent it's not even funny.

A Pakistan so brutal, so systematically cruel, so bigoted, so born of hatred that hundreds of poor Hindus leave even their meagre belongings and flee the nation to India every year dares to talk about Nazism. A country that has annihilated it's minorities and has systematically targeted them throughout it's entire existence speaks of Nazis. Don't make us laugh.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/05/world/asia/pakistan-hindu-india-modi.html


For us you are the living embodiment of nazism. Your PM can go and say whatever he likes. Your bloody constitution, those tens of thousands of refugees fleeing Pakistan are proof of what Pakistan is.

Only if you learn to use your non existent brain....

Pakistan is "Islamic Republic of Pakistan". An Islamic state unlike India who brags about being a secular country. So stop this bullshit about constitution of Pakistan and see what your racist minister is saying or stop this propaganda about being secular and democratic. India is being ruled by lunatic racist right wing terrorists.

 

[Silverblaze]

99% of indians have supported mr. Subramaniam's view. The simple answer is that if 30% muslims are trouble anywhere why would hindus from india want to go to countries which are 99% muslims and governed by muslim rulers. Case in point uae, saudi, kuwait, bahrain, qatar, jordan etc.

 

[Liquidmetal]

It seems like truth hurts the RSS poodle Swamy.

Hurt the little RSS b*tch bad...

 

[Chhatrapati]

Why would you expect anyone to go back and look at past speeches? I don’t care if his past speeches referenced a Utopia where everyone was equal - we are debating his comments in the OP.

What you can do is provide us the complete text of his comments under question and highlight the sections where you think it was edited or cut out. Barring that, his comments speak for themselves, as does your justification of his comments.

You're debating a bunch of incomplete words. This interview is not out yet, and the discussion about this whole CAA is ongoing. Why should I jump the gun and judge him? If he is lying about something, then there is at least a point to discuss.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

For us and for much of the Free world, Pakistan, it's constitution, its people and it's leaders are the textbook example of racists. The closest nation-state to Nazism with formalized, organized, codified Nazi style policies.

In a clear example of religious discrimination, Articles 41(2) and 91(3) of the Constitution strictly bar non-Muslims from holding the two most influential positions of government in the country, namely that of the head of state and the Prime Minister.

Even the wording for blasphemy laws clearly state where other religions lie in the hierarchy of respect in Pakistani constitution.
View attachment 620752
A Pakistani talking or comparing about anyone, even Nazi Germany, is the stuff of ironies, to the extent it's not even funny.

A Pakistan so brutal, so systematically cruel, so bigoted, so born of hatred that hundreds of poor Hindus leave even their meagre belongings and flee the nation to India every year dares to talk about Nazism. A country that has annihilated it's minorities and has systematically targeted them throughout it's entire existence speaks of Nazis. Don't make us laugh.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/05/world/asia/pakistan-hindu-india-modi.html


For us you are the living embodiment of nazism. Your PM can go and say whatever he likes. Your bloody constitution, those tens of thousands of refugees fleeing Pakistan are proof of what Pakistan is.

And after writing this, you call us racist?

I laugh at the notion of India being part of a Free world, where even a member of a 20-30% minority group does not know when the lynch mob will come for him and his family.

Pakistan has very clearly defined red-lines, we punish all those who insult and utter blasphemy against religions in a court of law. There was a time once where someone was jailed for insulting Jesus too, and that was under the blasphemy law. Muslims or Non-Muslims understand clearly the discourse which is acceptable and what is not.

In India however it seems every issue, even Corona, becomes communal. If it is not Indian Muslims, the blame falls on Dalits, Sikhs, Communists, Naxals, or famously Pakistan and recently Bangladesh. Any Indian who stubs his toe has a list of people to curse and blame, so he does not have to look and see what is the problem with himself.

Pakistan is the least racist society, we even treat Indians with respect. Find out how well Indian visitors are treated in Pakistan. We are also very open minded, but your media makes you believe we are something else.

As for the insults and hate-mongering, I have reported your posts to Mods to deal with it.

That my friend, is the difference between a civilized society, and an uncivilized and depraved Hindu society. Your statements above, confirm that you belong very comfortably in the latter.

Excellent analysis. Reading your posts is very educational. I am learning alot about the Hindu psyche.

Thank you brother.

 

[xeuss]

Excellent analysis. Reading your posts is very educational. I am learning alot about the Hindu psyche.

Thank you brother.

You're welcome. The pleasure is all mine!

 

[Cash GK]

Of course, why not!
In the same since, we have also rights to talk about minorities status in Pakistan.

You can talk.but frist dont butcher your own people..if you do so we will admir you..but we know you for centuries..lato k buooth batoo see niye manty

Meanwhile back at home:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1230790442259644417

You telling them facts.. they dont have shame...

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

You can talk.but frist dont butcher your own people..if you do so we will admir you..but we know you for centuries..lato k buooth batoo see niye manty


You telling them facts.. they dont have shame...

Same I am saying to you also! 1st take care minorities in your county then point to other country

I m not justifying anything but straight forward telling the truth