Pak Media Discussing Army disadvantages on LOC against India

[Windjammer]

Don't cry don't cry.. I didn't hurt your microscopic ego.

You are the only cry baby on the forum and a bit of a drama queen too.
here read this and think of new ways to cry.

@WebMaster @waz @Emmie @Slav Defence you said Bharathi is word from Urdu .. ok fine .. but what is taranga? 2 different threads for just showing bunkers? I really don't get such ridiculous threads.. we kill you and you kill us.. this is not a game. Instead of hoping to ease tensions. What is there to feel proud hmmm. Both sides loosing valuable lifes.. This guy intentionally trolling and using words like taranga..

@Slav Defence i didn't questioned after your explanation because i believed you.. There is no such word taranga, it's Tiranga or Tri colour which is Indian flag.. Why can't he just write Indian bunkers instead of spitting hatred like ths.. a per rules Thread titles shouldn't be changed but look at this guy.

Can you post lint or source which sovereignty against chinese you are talking about.
We are not pakistan taking many times drone attack and OBL incidents

It's almost a daily occurrence and no you can never be Pakistan, forget drones, even a rubber boat can shut your financial Capital for two days,

 

[ravi gupta]

You are the only cry baby on the forum and a bit of a drama queen too.
here read this and think of new ways to cry.





It's almost a daily occurrence and no you can never be Pakistan, forget drones, even a rubber boat can shut your financial Capital for two days,

We are not ready to take any rubber boat,while you regularly taking armed drones,kudos

 

[danger007]

You are the only cry baby on the forum and a bit of a drama queen too.
here read this and thinf new ways to cry.





It's almost a daily occurrence and no you can never be Pakistan, forget drones, even a rubber boat can shut your financial Capital for two days,

Look at the guy... Well if you think reporting is crying.. then i hope you count on each and every thread by you, shows how much you cry on India.. I can sense your level.. anyhow i don't have time yo listen your cry.

 

[Kaniska]

Pakistan China trade is less than one billion a year, shows your knowledge.
So if you cant fight a war then stop this crap already, no one needs to know the reason, every one has a reason for doing things

Certain things might sound crap for you where as for others it is a valid cause...Like fighting a war is a brave and valid reason for you, which represents people who share your ideology and thought, but for me, being hesitant to war by being strong and economically stable nation is much more important than fighting war for ever and be another struggling nation.

[QUOTE="Fallen King, post: 8958934, member: 145669"]India is about to lose everything. With CPEC enjoining by Germany, Russia, China, Iran, Turkey, Central Asia and England means chababar port will be useless in the time to come. Pretty soon, Bangladesh will join China and Afghanistan will have no choice but to go with Pakistan for the long term benefits.

Again too much of assumption. Whenever India will be a looser and Pakistan will be a winner in next 10 year, then let us discuss at that point of time with some concrete facts.



Although i agree with sane minded people from both sides that the biggest loser of any war will be India as India depend on Foriegn Trade for its economy.

BTW, me and many people like me in India still feel that a successful and economically stable Pakistan is good for our region. Whatever takes it for you to become a economic hub, either due to CPEC or trade with China, personally, i welcome it and i wish your nation all the best. We have to come out of the binary that if one nation does well, other nation loose it. Rather any nations failure in our region will bring failure to other nation. Classic example in Afganistan. Because of lack of prosperity in the Afganistan, it is impacting your border areas too. In the same way, fortunately, India borders the developed region of Pakistan like Lahore and Karachi. Otherwise, it will be worse for India to have a border with FATA and KPK region which is not as developed like your Eastern part.

 

[Finer]

Again too much of assumption. Whenever India will be a looser and Pakistan will be a winner in next 10 year, then let us discuss at that point of time with some concrete facts.

Not really. CPEC is already off to the start. More than those nations i mentioned have officially shared their interests in CPEC. It is matter of time before CPEC becomes international hub.

Whereas chababr port is yet to start, and with no possible interest showing on that hub at this moment.

Although i agree with sane minded people from both sides that the biggest loser of any war will be India as India depend on Foriegn Trade for its economy.

War is not loser, but nuclear war is. War might solve Kashmir problems once and for all, but nuclear powers takes the game to the whole new level - beyond the unimaginable scenario ahead.

BTW, me and many people like me in India still feel that a successful and economically stable Pakistan is good for our region. Whatever takes it for you to become a economic hub, either due to CPEC or trade with China, personally, i welcome it and i wish your nation all the best. We have to come out of the binary that if one nation does well, other nation loose it. Rather any nations failure in our region will bring failure to other nation. Classic example in Afganistan. Because of lack of prosperity in the Afganistan, it is impacting your border areas too. In the same way, fortunately, India borders the developed region of Pakistan like Lahore and Karachi. Otherwise, it will be worse for India to have a border with FATA and KPK region which is not as developed like your Eastern part.

Except India is officially not interest in the peaceful and economically stable Pakistan. Why do you think Modi personally hired Ajit Doval to allegedly sponsor terrorism in Balochistan and the rest of Pakistan?

To the extent, it comes down to Gawadar port versus Chabar port. India was benefiting earlier because of unstable Pakistan. As long as Pakistan stabilizes its economy, the game for India is over. Stable Pakistan in 60s was bad news for India, and likewise.

Precisely why India needs Afghanistan as unstable whereas Pakistan needs Afghanistan as stable for the long terms since Pakistan is eyeing for the markets of Central Asia through Afghanistan which might not be necessary option given Iran has joined the bandwagon earlier but Afghanistan as stable could solve a lot of problems like more than 4 million unofficially refugees, no more Afghanistan as platform to sponsor terrorism in Pakistan since Pakistan-Afghanistan has been border-free, thus Pakistan suffered a lot as nation.

Too bad Pakistan had been occupied eradicating terrorism that is officially sponsoring terrorism by Indian NSA in-charge Ajit Doval as threatened in the public platform. As soon as the situation is stabilizing, more investments should be expected in Pakistan including FATA and the rest of Pakistan. Problem is India as some Indian officials threatened not to let CPEC succeed in anyways to render their chabar useless. Again, this is on the official records.

 

[Kaniska]

Not really. CPEC is already off to the start. More than those nations i mentioned have officially shared their interests in CPEC. It is matter of time before CPEC becomes international hub.

Whereas chababr port is yet to start, and with no possible interest showing on that hub at this moment.




War is not loser, but nuclear war is. War might solve Kashmir problems once and for all, but nuclear powers takes the game to the whole new level - beyond the unimaginable scenario ahead.



Except India is officially not interest in the peaceful and economically stable Pakistan. Why do you think Modi personally hired Ajit Doval to allegedly sponsor terrorism in Balochistan and the rest of Pakistan?

To the extent, it comes down to Gawadar port versus Chabar port. India was benefiting earlier because of unstable Pakistan. As long as Pakistan stabilizes its economy, the game for India is over. Stable Pakistan in 60s was bad news for India, and likewise.

Precisely why India needs Afghanistan as unstable whereas Pakistan needs Afghanistan as stable for the long terms since Pakistan is eyeing for the markets of Central Asia through Afghanistan which might not be necessary option given Iran has joined the bandwagon earlier but Afghanistan as stable could solve a lot of problems like more than 4 million unofficially refugees, no more Afghanistan as platform to sponsor terrorism in Pakistan since Pakistan-Afghanistan has been border-free, thus Pakistan suffered a lot as nation.

Too bad Pakistan had been occupied eradicating terrorism that is officially sponsoring terrorism by Indian NSA in-charge Ajit Doval as threatened in the public platform. As soon as the situation is stabilizing, more investments should be expected in Pakistan including FATA and the rest of Pakistan. Problem is India as some Indian officials threatened not to let CPEC succeed in anyways to render their chabar useless. Again, this is on the official records.

Again, for you Gwadar may be a lifeline of economic activity, but for us, Chabbar and its success is not the sole lifeline or measure of our economic progress. Chabar port is another initiative to drive trade with Central Asia. But that does not mean, if that port is not operational, India will loose its economic superity with fellow nations.Where as Gwadar port and trade with China is your lifeline. So again, your comparison is too much of binary in nature. Do not read too much into Times of India or some silly newpaper in India.


War is not loser, but nuclear war is. War might solve Kashmir problems once and for all, but nuclear powers takes the game to the whole new level - beyond the unimaginable scenario ahead.

I disagree with you. If war could have given a definite result, then why Pakistan could not complete its accession with India when you fought 4 wars with us?? Think about it in a rational mind.

Except India is officially not interest in the peaceful and economically stable Pakistan. Why do you think Modi personally hired Ajit Doval to allegedly sponsor terrorism in Balochistan and the rest of Pakistan?

That is your assumption that India is not interetsed in peaceful Pakistan. You are welcome to have your own perception. In the same way, many people in India beleive that Pakistan is not interested to have a good relation with India. But i always beleived, our rivallary with Pakistan is more political than any hatred for your people and culture. I am very sure there might be many people in Pakistan who are equally interested in peaceful cooexistince with India the way there is a segment in India who wish the same for Pakistan.

Modi initiated Baloch issue to counter Pakistan for its involvement with Kashmir issue. It is a kind of tit for tat policy. Again, Ajit Doval is the best man for his job as NSA. Pakistan is not the only aspiration or objective for India rather we have more more challeging issues expect Pakistan too.

 

[django]

Atleast our media don't behave like maniacs, psychos and blood thirsty war mongers like indian media and fake bravado is what your ''analysts'' show. @django

Arnab Goswami, Maroof Raza and the vile Rubika Liaqat who make Goswami look objective lol.Kudos

 

[Signalian]

NEW PTROGRAMME TODAY IN PAKISTAN pak Army General India has all the advantages on LOC

This program is cut into segments which favours the Indian theme.

Pakistan Options are limited because:
1. Pakistan Army doesnt not target civilians in Indian held sector.
2. Indian Army is hiding on Reverse slopes and using Artillery to Harass Pakistani civilians.
3. The amount of damage, number of enemy soldiers killed and the movement of enemy cannot be seen or monitored on a reverse slope.


This diagram explains the firing trajectory (Starting from right)
1. Howitzer and Rocket Launcher
2. Field Gun
3. Mortar

The 130mm Gun used by PA is a field gun, not a Howitzer.
Some of 122mm used by PA are Howitzers and some are field guns.
All 155mm in use of PA, except WW2 era M59, are Howitzers.
All 105mm and 203mm are howitzers in use of PA.

RED is the spot called dead space here where Indian Army is entrenched.

Pakistan still has the option of using Mortar where distances are less than 6 km and howitzer where distances are more than 6 km to target Indian soldiers on reverse slopes. The problem however is identification of target and verification of destruction. An AOO, needs to see the target before calling in howitzer fire.

Options are either to use GPS supplied images of enemy positions and start targeting them. Then verify the damage done again through GPS images. Or use a UAV for monitoring enemy positions. using a UAV can further escalate the conflict as India knows Pakistan had UCAV also. A downed UAV will cause further tension between both countries.

 

[Tiger Genie]

So Pakistanis are just discovering the terrain? It hasn't changed in recent times. This whining simply corroborates they've finally begun to feel the heat in the kitchen. Looks like Parrikar/Modi have gotten the best of them.

 

[Finer]

Again, for you Gwadar may be a lifeline of economic activity, but for us, Chabbar and its success is not the sole lifeline or measure of our economic progress. Chabar port is another initiative to drive trade with Central Asia. But that does not mean, if that port is not operational, India will loose its economic superity with fellow nations.Where as Gwadar port and trade with China is your lifeline. So again, your comparison is too much of binary in nature. Do not read too much into Times of India or some silly newpaper in India.

Judging by the desperation tactics and frustration of official Indians including Ajit Doval and Modi, they beg to differ. Don't tell me or Indian medias, tell that to your own officials. If Indian officials are quoted on live record, they are undeniably authentic.

War is not loser, but nuclear war is. War might solve Kashmir problems once and for all, but nuclear powers takes the game to the whole new level - beyond the unimaginable scenario ahead.

I disagree with you. If war could have given a definite result, then why Pakistan could not complete its accession with India when you fought 4 wars with us?? Think about it in a rational mind.

Because Pakistan and India are still fighting each other. As long as there is Pakistan and India, Kashmir can never have peace nor the fund for health and education sectors. After wars, only one nation to succeed and shall command as one nation which will put Pakistan-India to rest once and for all. No more funds for weapons, Nuclear programs, proxy wars, ....etc. They require a lot of money and because of that, the sectors of education and health are often neglected, and to the extent, the lifestyle too.

Except India is officially not interest in the peaceful and economically stable Pakistan. Why do you think Modi personally hired Ajit Doval to allegedly sponsor terrorism in Balochistan and the rest of Pakistan?

That is your assumption that India is not interetsed in peaceful Pakistan. You are welcome to have your own perception. In the same way, many people in India beleive that Pakistan is not interested to have a good relation with India. But i always beleived, our rivallary with Pakistan is more political than any hatred for your people and culture. I am very sure there might be many people in Pakistan who are equally interested in peaceful cooexistince with India the way there is a segment in India who wish the same for Pakistan.

Modi initiated Baloch issue to counter Pakistan for its involvement with Kashmir issue. It is a kind of tit for tat policy. Again, Ajit Doval is the best man for his job as NSA. Pakistan is not the only aspiration or objective for India rather we have more more challeging issues expect Pakistan too.

Again, your own officials insinuated that on the official records. I don't care what you think. It is their official states that count, not your opinion.

 

[Kaniska]

Judging by the desperation tactics and frustration of official Indians including Ajit Doval and Modi, they beg to differ. Don't tell me or Indian medias, tell that to your own officials. If Indian officials are quoted on live record, they are undeniably authentic.



Because Pakistan and India are still fighting each other. As long as there is Pakistan and India, Kashmir can never have peace nor the fund for health and education sectors. After wars, only one nation to succeed and shall command as one nation which will put Pakistan-India to rest once and for all. No more funds for weapons, Nuclear programs, proxy wars, ....etc. They require a lot of money and because of that, the sectors of education and health are often neglected, and to the extent, the lifestyle too.



Again, your own officials insinuated that on the official records. I don't care what you think. It is their official states that count, not your opinion.

Anyway, it is nice to have a rational discussion and sharing my views with you. We may agree or disagree in our views, but it is enjoyable to discuss in a rational way.

 

[ThinkLogically]

Now a massive PR cover up operation by Pakistan Army. I thought PA will come up for war but they have chickened out. PA is good in everything except fighting.

If they are not planning to escalate when things go wrong then they shouldn't have started this in first place.

 

[mjnaushad]

NEW PTROGRAMME TODAY IN PAKISTAN pak Army General India has all the advantages on LOC

Pakistan Army have disadvantage on LoC because Pakistan cannot go bat shit crazy with artillery. Looking out for general population of Kashmir living near LOC is also a concern for Pakistan Army. Same is not the case for rest of the border and I believe that is the reason India is focusing on LoC and not engaging Pakistan on other parts of border.

 

[Signalian]

Talking of artillery, 166 field regiment of Indian Army has been attacked in Nagrota.

 

[Finer]

Anyway, it is nice to have a rational discussion and sharing my views with you. We may agree or disagree in our views, but it is enjoyable to discuss in a rational way.

I agree. It was fun debating while it lasted. Too bad, our influences have no bearing on the reality. Otherwise, we will govern Pakistan-India better than the current leaders are doing at this moment.