Pak may never try another Kargil, but it could get worse

[AUz]

Excellent! We would like you to have more "such" victories. 13 years later, any closer to getting Kashmir or even Siachen?

No , we would like india to have 1000 more such "vijay days" where Pakistan will invade india...and would capture some territory..Indians after losing hundreds of men will counter-attack and again some territory back...

In the end of war , Pakistan will STILL keep INDIAN territory in control and indians will celebrate "vijay vijay vijay" ..not to mention , indians will not even get 1 inch of Pakistani land...only Pakistan will get indian territory...So yes, very happy "Kargil Vijay day" bro ...

On a serious note though : Kashmir will be solved on the table... Pakistan already has THE MOST important strategic Kashmir part (Gilgit Baltistan) ...we 'cut' indian access of central asia...

Again excellent analysis! Now if you would only be kind enough to pass on the "no strategic value" fact to your fellow Pakistanis who for some stupid reason want India to withdraw..........

ALL my fellow Pakistanis know that Siachen is not of any strategic value... We are just there to "defend" our territory from the aggressor..If india goes down from Siachen , Pakistan will leave immediately too...

We want india to withdraw because we don't want to "militarize" that region...duhh...

 

[Mav3rick]

Excellent! We would like you to have more "such" victories. 13 years later, any closer to getting Kashmir or even Siachen?

We don't worry about Siachin, but Kashmir will be liberated, sooner or later. We just want the best possibly opportunity to do it with minimum bloodshed.....or even without bloodshed if possible. You do realize that Kashmiris do not wish to be occupied by India, right?

 

[Bang Galore]

On a serious note though : Kashmir will be solved on the table... Pakistan already has THE MOST important strategic Kashmir part (Gilgit Baltistan) ...we 'cut' indian access of central asia...

In which case, Kargil was unnecessary & pointless & almost certainly counter-productive.

ALL my fellow Pakistanis know that Siachen is not of any strategic value... We are just there to "defend" our territory from the aggressor..If india goes down from Siachen , Pakistan will leave immediately too...

You aren't on the Siachen glacier, surely you do know that. You can continue defend "your territory" without any change.

We want india to withdraw because we don't want to "militarize" that region...duhh...

Anything special about that region? We have no problems being there & if you chaps stop whining, we can get on doing whatever we are doing there.

We don't worry about Siachin, but Kashmir will be liberated, sooner or later. We just want the best possibly opportunity to do it with minimum bloodshed.....or even without bloodshed if possible. You do realize that Kashmiris do not wish to be occupied by India, right?

What i do realize is that you chaps are still talking about liberating.....no one wants to listen to that very old piece of music, a bit dated you see.... Some 13 years after the Kargil war, India's position is stronger than it ever was & as I explained in an earlier post, we have the Pakistani army to thank for it.

 

[Areesh]

You aren't on the Siachen glacier, surely you do know that. You can continue defend "your territory" without any change.

On Siachen or not. The fact is instead of wasting men and resources we decided to secure something more valuable both in militarily and strategic perspective. And guess what we are successful in that. Whether it is the world's highest peaks of Baltoro or population centers like Skardu we succeeded in defending them. While India has been left to bolster it's ego on a frozen wasteland.

Anything special about that region?

Nothing special. But Pakistanis have the sanity to not to fight a useless war over a piece of ice. Indians are on another level.

 

[ares]

No , we would like india to have 1000 more such "vijay days" where Pakistan will invade india...and would capture some territory..Indians after losing hundreds of men will counter-attack and again some territory back...

In the end of war , Pakistan will STILL keep INDIAN territory in control and indians will celebrate "vijay vijay vijay" ..not to mention , indians will not even get 1 inch of Pakistani land...only Pakistan will get indian territory...So yes, very happy "Kargil Vijay day" bro ...

On a serious note though : Kashmir will be solved on the table... Pakistan already has THE MOST important strategic Kashmir part (Gilgit Baltistan) ...we 'cut' indian access of central asia...



ALL my fellow Pakistanis know that Siachen is not of any strategic value... We are just there to "defend" our territory from the aggressor..If india goes down from Siachen , Pakistan will leave immediately too...

We want india to withdraw because we don't want to "militarize" that region...duhh...

Wasn't humiliation suffered in one Kargil enough for you guys ..that you want to repeat it??

Einstein defined insanity as: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results..are you that desperate to prove your insanity to the world?

 

[Bhairava]

We don't worry about Siachin, but Kashmir will be liberated, sooner or later. We just want the best possibly opportunity to do it with minimum bloodshed.....or even without bloodshed if possible. You do realize that Kashmiris do not wish to be occupied by India, right?

Does it look like the minority of the Kashmir valley Sunnis would be able to impose their views on rest of India ?

For starters, you do know the 800,000 troops (favorite number of Pakistanis) are there in Kashmir, not for nothing.

 

[Mav3rick]

In which case, Kargil was unnecessary & pointless & almost certainly counter-productive.

Not really, there was a point to Kargil, it was to bring India to the negotiating table. That was not achieved. The second objective was to occupy point 5353 which was accomplished and now we have clear view of IA movements. See, you do not realize that but your military does!

You aren't on the Siachen glacier, surely you do know that. You can continue defend "your territory" without any change.

Anything special about that region? We have no problems being there & if you chaps stop whining, we can get on doing whatever we are doing there.

Yes, there is something special and that's our soldiers. We do not wish them to lose life or limb in that area needlessly just because of egos. But your side, quite obviously, does not care that thousands of soldiers have been lost to weather and none to combat.

What i do realize is that you chaps are still talking about liberating.....no one wants to listen to that very old piece of music, a bit dated you see.... Some 13 years after the Kargil war, India's position is stronger than it ever was & as I explained in an earlier post, we have the Pakistani army to thank for it.

Should it matter to us what you want or do not want to listen to? As the aggressor and occupier you ofcourse would not want to listen to anything. But it will happen and that is guaranteed. I hope, wish and pray that it happens bloodlessly.

 

[Bang Galore]

On Siachen or not. The fact is instead of wasting men and resources we decided to secure something more valuable both in militarily and strategic perspective. And guess what we are successful in that. Whether it is the world's highest peaks of Baltoro or population centers like Skardu we succeeded in defending them. While India has been left to bolster it's ego on a frozen wasteland.

Nothing special. But Pakistanis have the sanity to not to fight a useless war over a piece of ice. Indians are on another level.

Again I'm happy with that analysis. Now if you will kindly tell the same to those of your country who pester us with those silly ideas of withdrawing from the useless,icy,frozen wasteland, we will let you admire your highest peaks in peace while we tend to our ego on that barren wasteland of Siachen. Very pleased to agree with you.

 

[ares]

We don't worry about Siachin, but Kashmir will be liberated, sooner or later. We just want the best possibly opportunity to do it with minimum bloodshed.....or even without bloodshed if possible. You do realize that Kashmiris do not wish to be occupied by India, right?

Insn't that what you have been trying to do through out your existence?
So much so that you have lost half you country in the process..how much more are you willing to loose..before you come to your senses?? You can not take Kashmir from India..as we are too big and too powerful for you militarily and you have zero leverage on us diplomatically.

 

[Bhairava]

Not really, there was a point to Kargil, it was to bring India to the negotiating table. That was not achieved. The second objective was to occupy point 5353 which was accomplished and now we have clear view of IA movements. See, you do not realize that but your military does!

That is absolute BS ! Akin to claiming to take a bath when accidentally fallen into the gutter.

You want to know the "objective" of the Pakistani jurnails ?

“Come October, we shall walk in to Siachen – to mop up the dead bodies of hundreds of Indians left hungry, out in the cold,” he (Lt.Gen Mahmud Ahmed) succinctly summed up what appeared to be a new dimension to the Siachen dispute.

Aeronaut: Kargil Conflict and Pakistan Air Force

 

[Areesh]

Again I'm happy with that analysis. Now if you will kindly tell the same to those of your country who pester us with those silly ideas of withdrawing from the useless,icy,frozen wasteland, we will let you admire your highest peaks in peace while we tend to our ego on that barren wasteland of Siachen. Very pleased to agree with you.

They ask you to withdraw since they want to end a useless war. We have deployed troops because of your presence. No India. No Pakistani troops. Anyways you don't see Pakistani soldiers attacking Indians on Siachin. Why? Because they have realized the futility of this war. They are very much satisfied with the status quo with us securing our territory. We just want the withdrawal so that another soldier(at least our soldier) doesn't become victim of frost bite or avalanche. We don't like a soldier losing his life or his limb because of this war.

And our peaks are in piece again thanks to our brave soldiers. Check the number of ascents by foreign groups on those peaks.

 

[Jade]

We don't worry about Siachin, but Kashmir will be liberated, sooner or later. We just want the best possibly opportunity to do it with minimum bloodshed.....or even without bloodshed if possible. You do realize that Kashmiris do not wish to be occupied by India, right?

Na...I could not believe that in this age of internet, people are still brain washed into believing that Kashmir will be 'liberated'. Wake up Pakistani, it is a ploy used by your political class and military to gobble up Public money for their own benefit. Wake up...

 

[Mav3rick]

Insn't that what you have been trying to do through out your existence?
So much so that you have lost half you country in the process..how much more are you willing to loose..before you come to your senses?? You can not take Kashmir from India..as we are too big and too powerful for you militarily and you have zero leverage on us diplomatically.

The point is, did we lose half the country to you or did we simply went our separate ways after a fight? The day you get that through your very thick Indian skulls, you will realize that Bangladesh just used you like a ***** for a bad night and then spit you out just so she could get a divorce from us

 

[Bhairava]

......... so that another soldier(at least our soldier) doesn't become victim of frost bite or avalanche. We don't like a soldier losing his life or his limb because of this war.
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Yeah you should invest more in state-of-art thermobaric shelters, developing nutritious food materials that can be used up there, better snow camos and related medical facilities to your soldiers stationed there.

 

[Windjammer]

Wasn't humiliation suffered in one Kargil enough for you guys ..that you want to repeat it??

Einstein defined insanity as: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results..are you that desperate to prove your insanity to the world?

I believe insanity was decisively proven after Kargil...

Insanity to deploy almost one million troops...
Insane to remain paralysed for almost a year....
Insanity to suffer almost a thousand dead...without a shot being fired...
Then pull back unilaterally.....
Then more than insanity, the stupidity of chest thumping to satisfy the bruised ego with the banter of cold start, surgical strikes, hot pursuits and then...... the bubble just bursts and all evaporates into thin air....Insanity must be the centre piece for IA's doctrine. !!