Pak for non-deployment of ballistic missile system

[angeldemon_007]

Pakistan is pushing for the signing a pact for the "non-deployment of ballistic missile system" targeting each other as a major confidence building measure (CBM) between the two counties ahead of the foreign ministers meet later this month. Not keen to bite the bullet, India argues that this issue cannot be restricted to the India-Pakistan context, but should be placed in the larger South Asian security framework (that includes China) that New Delhi has to deal with.

However, CBMs such as finalisation of a border ground rules, return of inadvertent crossers, exchange of commandants between the national defence college and national defence university of Pakistan, and meetings between director general coast guard and his Pakistan counterpart and exchange of military bands are among the expected outcomes of the meeting between the two ministers.

Senior Indian government sources told HT that the pact for signing the non-deployment of ballistic missile system has been raised by Pakistan for some time now. "When the two foreign secretaries met in Islamabad last month also this issue came up", said a senior official.

New Delhi says that its ballistic missile system cannot be seen through the context of India-Pakistan and it has a larger South Asia security framework, explained the official.

"A step by step approach is what we have been following to address the trust deficit between the two sides. And we are discussing all the issues of mutual interests", an official explained.

India has very serious concerns over infiltration which foreign secretary Nirupama Rao too took up with his Pakistan counterpart Salman Bashir when they met in Islamabad last month.

“But the ceasefire between two countries by and large remains. So we need to build on that”, said the official.

In that context comes finalisatioan of border ground rules. This will be guidelines for both the sides to go about in case of an incident, instead of the situation getting "flared up."

There are many incidents of people accidently straying into each other's territory. So both the sides are trying to put in place a mechanism so that the inadvertent crossers are sent across.

Pak for non-deployment of ballistic missile system - Hindustan Times

 

[tvsram1992]

When they are openly mentioning(indirectly) they will use short range nukes , its very much predictable that India will go for MRBM's and China needs ICBM .

 

[angeldemon_007]

I think we should not even here about this. I mean they are building nuclear weapons at the fastest rate in the world and they are asking us for not building BMD ? Its crazy...also what about China ? If China and Pakistan both are willing to give their all nukes still we can trust them (no offence)...

 

[tallboy123]

Not gonna happen in reality dear pakistani govt...

On papers it may happen,but Agni's will be pointing under the carpet...


AND NON-DEPLOYMENT????

How is that possibe?
All the ballistic missiles on Arihant will be ready to fire state...lol

If we dont want deployment why would be building another arihant??lol

 

[tallboy123]

I think we should not even here about this. I mean they are building nuclear weapons at the fastest rate in the world and they are asking us for not building BMD ? Its crazy...also what about China ? If China and Pakistan both are willing to give their all nukes still we can trust them (no offence)...

BMD-->ballistic missile defence..

The article says BALLISTIC MISSILE SYSTEM
Both are different!!

Pakistan is pushing for the signing a pact for the "non-deployment of ballistic missile system" targeting each other as a major confidence building measure (CBM) between the two counties ahead of the foreign ministers meet later this month

 

[madooxno9]

that's most Epic fail !!!!

and joke of the Decade .

 

[Omega007]

Treaty can be signed.But where is the guarantee that they won't use BMs even after signing the treaty, when their army openly states that they will use nukes against our cities if war begins??

 

[Patrician]

India should and most probably never would sign such a treaty.

We should force Pakistan to develop hundreds of nukes.

The expenditure for securing these nukes will itself prove to be a major burden on Pakistani economy and defence budget.

India should play to its own strengths.

 

[pmukherjee]

^^^ Yes, I was wondering about that. We are talking about ballistic missiles here and not BMD.

Consider the following scenario. There is a major Mumbai type of terrorist strike in India again. The foot prints of Pakistan/ Pak based terrorists are obvious. India under intense public and media pressure decides to retaliate. The retaliation comprises of airstrikes on known terrorist bases/camps in Pak Kashmir and Punjab. The airstrikes have a mixed outcome (since terrorists are not confined to camps) and the main target personalities evade by hiding in population centres which we avoid. Pak retaliates with its airstrikes. An air war develops over the entire Indo-Pak border with both air forces trying to achieve favorable air superiority. Ground targets are also engaged but mainly it is a battle of attrition between opposing air assets. On the third /fourth day of the air war it is apparent that the IAF has achieved favorable air superiority over several critical sectors. There is pressure on the government to launch limited ground strikes by brigade level battle groups all along the IB to exploit the favorable the air situation achieved by the IAF. We know that these armor/mech heavy battle groups launched all along the IB sector under IAF umbrella will quickly achieve break through in multiple areas just as the strike corps reach their launch pads in order to exploit the breakthrough made by the battle groups. We also know that Pak will counter these spearheads with tactical nukes thereby leaving us with no option but to launch nuclear ballistic missiles in retaliation.
The only problem is that we have no ballistic missiles deployed against Pakistan as we had signed some treaty some years ago. Our Agnis and Prithvis have to be relocated and redeployed. Our nuclear subs are out of K-15/K-4 range. Bringing all these assets to bear will take time. We know that movement of ballistic missiles on road/rail will be detected by satellites and the whole world will come to camp on our back forcing us to call off the redeployment of ballistic missiles. Aircraft delivered nukes are an obsolete procedure of a bygone era and our options in this regard are limited.

So, even as the battle groups stand by poised to cross the IB, the orders for their launch never come. The situation fizzles out under international pressure. We are left with nothing to show for the tremendous sacrifices made by the IAF in reducing the PAF to nearly a state of irrelevance. Hafiz Sayeed and Zawaheri continue to send their minions to cause death and destruction in India. We are powerless to do anything about it. Our nuclear deterrence lies in tatters. ISI has the last laugh.

Only a fool will sign a treaty of non deployment of ballistic missiles against Pakistan. What is our nuclear deterrence without ballistic missiles?

 

[Agni5000]

Don't trust pakistan. .............

 

[rajusri]

Non deployment of missiles against Pakistan but what about china?

than we can deploy Agni-3 Agni-2 etc.

 

[mautkimaut]

I believe it is a good initiative from Pakistan side and India should reciprocate it.We should act on CBMs.
it would be a good defense posture.
and non deployment can be changed withing 2-3 days by deploying missiles in case of a war

 

[Xestan]

^^^ Yes, I was wondering about that. We are talking about ballistic missiles here and not BMD.

Consider the following scenario. There is a major Mumbai type of terrorist strike in India again. The foot prints of Pakistan/ Pak based terrorists are obvious. India under intense public and media pressure decides to retaliate. The retaliation comprises of airstrikes on known terrorist bases/camps in Pak Kashmir and Punjab. The airstrikes have a mixed outcome (since terrorists are not confined to camps) and the main target personalities evade by hiding in population centres which we avoid. Pak retaliates with its airstrikes. An air war develops over the entire Indo-Pak border with both air forces trying to achieve favorable air superiority. Ground targets are also engaged but mainly it is a battle of attrition between opposing air assets. On the third /fourth day of the air war it is apparent that the IAF has achieved favorable air superiority over several critical sectors. There is pressure on the government to launch limited ground strikes by brigade level battle groups all along the IB to exploit the favorable the air situation achieved by the IAF. We know that these armor/mech heavy battle groups launched all along the IB sector under IAF umbrella will quickly achieve break through in multiple areas just as the strike corps reach their launch pads in order to exploit the breakthrough made by the battle groups. We also know that Pak will counter these spearheads with tactical nukes thereby leaving us with no option but to launch nuclear ballistic missiles in retaliation.
The only problem is that we have no ballistic missiles deployed against Pakistan as we had signed some treaty some years ago. Our Agnis and Prithvis have to be relocated and redeployed. Our nuclear subs are out of K-15/K-4 range. Bringing all these assets to bear will take time. We know that movement of ballistic missiles on road/rail will be detected by satellites and the whole world will come to camp on our back forcing us to call off the redeployment of ballistic missiles. Aircraft delivered nukes are an obsolete procedure of a bygone era and our options in this regard are limited.

So, even as the battle groups stand by poised to cross the IB, the orders for their launch never come. The situation fizzles out under international pressure. We are left with nothing to show for the tremendous sacrifices made by the IAF in reducing the PAF to nearly a state of irrelevance. Hafiz Sayeed and Zawaheri continue to send their minions to cause death and destruction in India. We are powerless to do anything about it. Our nuclear deterrence lies in tatters. ISI has the last laugh.

Only a fool will sign a treaty of non deployment of ballistic missiles against Pakistan. What is our nuclear deterrence without ballistic missiles?

 

[Hulk]

I am failing to understand something, if Pakistan is willing to lower then tension why should be should not move ahead? After 2008 there is hardly any big attack on India, that means Pakistan has taken steps, even if they do not admit in public they have done it. All this while I heard that Pakistan does not want to normalize ties with India, but this case does not sound right if we are not willing to move one step ahead on CBM's.

I will suggest go for it, I do not want war mongers to win, peace between us will be very nice. I am even willing to give little bit if that means peace.

 

[The Deterrent]

I think that the subject has been misunderstood...they are talking about BMD,as Russia often talks with US...

It is impossible for both countries to stop development on Ballistic missiles...a treaty like this will cause all our efforts to vanish in vain...Pakistan will lose its bargain,which we cannot afford...

But it does not mean that BMs and Aircrafts are the only weapons of deterrence possessed by Pakistan...