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Decent avionics belongs in the west to be produced, its simple because they have experience and are good with technology of it, not to mention the computer systems did invent there. However, China, Pakistan, and India are not doing bad in this field. They have difinately asked for help and i believe they have become very close to it.

By they way reffering China as a kid of aviation is definately not true, and its first plane to be fly soon is not true either. J-10s have been flying around and in the past it has created fighters like F-5s and others like JH-7s etc. Though i do get your point that China is still not experience enough like the Russians, but you must agree that they are catching up pretty fast and have produced much better avionics than the Russians so far.

This is probably because Russian aviation industry is not getting enough funds while in China the funds have been doubled and trippled.
 
Originally posted by Neo@Feb 3 2006, 05:17 PM
Actually China is well in process of building a 5th generation stealth aircraft.
They might even get technical assistence from Russia or opt to pump money in the Pak-Fa project.

I found this article some time ago, open the link below for an artists impression of the stalth J-12...
http://www.totalairdominance.50megs.com/Fighters/J%2D12.htm
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i have seen alot of chinese sources suggest tat j-xx will look some thing like this
http://www.hitechweb.szm.sk/fightersOF02.f...eseFighter1.jpg
 
None really knows how the J-XX looks like. But since there were some pics of that plane being tested in a wind tunnel, we can assume that it does exist. And if it exists then the chinese gov is doing a great job keeping the progam classified
 
Originally posted by Thunder@Mar 17 2006, 03:41 PM
None really knows how the J-XX looks like. But since there were some pics of that plane being tested in a wind tunnel, we can assume that it does exist. And if it exists then the chinese gov is doing a great job keeping the progam classified
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lol..... china is modernizin and developin very rapidly...........
almost all the programs r runin now............... :thumbsup:
nothin will left behind
 


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The Russian corporation Fazotron-NIIR has concluded development of the newest "Zhuk-AEh" active phased array aircraft radar for MiG-35 fighters. According to the firm's general director, Vyacheslav Tishchenko, it is the first active phased array antenna assembled in Russia. Its appearance brings out fighter closer to the main competitor, the American F-35 fifth generation fighter. Now our MiG is able to compete with the F-35 not only in combat but also in the worldwide arms marketplace.

It is thought that Russia was lagging behind the United States in the area of the development of future new, fifth generation aviation complexes. The Americans already have the F-22 Raptor ((in English)) heavy fighter which has gone into series production. The F-35 is still at the testing stage. But it already is clear that it will be one of the most prospective combat aircraft of the world. The United States and its allies already have ordered more than 3,000 such fighters. We still have more to think about than to respond to the Americans. As the say at the Sukhoy design bureau, at the firm that won the state tender for the development of the future fighter, "everything is going according to plan." The already are assembling the first examples of the new aircraft at Komsomol'sk-on-Amur, and the future S-117 engine for it is being broken in on the newest Su-35.

The appearance of the regenerated MiG is an event of the very same magnitude. The renovated electronic "stuffing" distinguishes it from the usual MiG-29. All airplane systems are controlled by on-board computers. Instead of analogue needled instruments there are liquid crystal panels. The newest Peterburg Klimov Design Bureau RD-33MK engines with fully rotating nozzles. In which connection, not only in "normal" flight regime, but also in afterburner. These properties radically distinguish the MiG-35 from the Su-30MKI itself or the American F-22 and F-35.

However, in modern combat all this is not enough if the aircraft and the pilots are "blind." The "Zhuk-AEh" solves this very problem. Such radars were installed only on the most modern American fighters until its appearance, and Western Europe still is unable to create them. The installation of the complex will bring our MiG-35 fully up to the Western competitors, and at the same time will increase the chances for victory in the tender offered by India for the MMRCA program for the delivery to Delhi of 126 fighters. Let's try to analyze the details.

Parabolic or slot antennas were installed on our previous airplanes. They had one signal transmitter and receiver each. An active phased antenna array is built on the principle of a comb, which consists of 680 miniature receiving and transmitting systems. Such an antenna (again in contrast to the "predecessors") is monolithic, that is it does not turn from side to side in the search for targets. This economizes not only the systems' weight (it no longer needs electric motors), but also decreases the time for detection by the radar of targets by an order of magnitude, the scanning beam shifts from one antenna point to another in split seconds.

The new "Zhuk" has an angle of view of plus - minus 60 degrees. Viewing range is 140 kilometers. It can simultaneously track 30 and fire at 6 targets. Both in the air and on the ground. At the same time, the new antenna allows resolving a number of tasks. To transmit data about the tactical situation to other airplanes, perform electronic warfare and terrain mapping. Exactly the same as it is done on the American F-35.

According to the head of the Unified Aircraft Building Corporation, Aleksey Fedorov, all this allows talking about the MiG-35 as one of the most prospective Russian fighters which brings it close to the new generation of combat airplanes in its capabilities. In case of winning the tender, as Russian experts note, India will receive not only the fighter itself, but also the technology for producing the new radars with the active phased antenna array.
 
Great to see a dedicated thread to this beauty- This is a dream jump for indian air force.
We will just go ahead with a big leap which we might not deserve but will get it.
where did u get the pics from?

India will go for -t-50 - pak -fa first and then later we will go for FGFA. twin seater version.
 
PAK-FA

In early 2002 Sukhoi was chosen as prime contractor for the planned Russian fifth-generation fighter is called the PAK FA [ Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi - Future Air Complex for Tactical Air Forces]. This intermediate class twin-engined fighter will be larger than a MiG-29 and smaller than a Su-27. The new fighter is intended to be about the same size as the US F-35 JSF, with a primary air superiority mission and ground attack and reconnaissance being secondary missions.

The aircraft will feature a long combat radius, supersonic cruise speed, low radar cross section, supermaneuverability, and the ability to make short takeoffs and landings. In accordance with the technical requirements, the PAK FA will have a normal takeoff weight of 20 tons, which is close to the average normal takeoff weight of the two American airplanes, the F-35 JSF (17.2 tons) and the F-22 (24 tons). The new fighter (a medium version) will have a traditional wing form, though the experience gathered as a result of Berkut's test flights will be taken in consideration when designing the fighter. It is supposed that it will be created using the Stealth technology, and equipped with two AL-41F engines by the Saturn scientific and industrial enterprise, a radar system with an active phased array (to all appearances, it will be produced by the Fazatron-NIIR corporation), and high-precision weapons.

The government commission decided on 26 April 2002 to choose the Sukhoi holding company as the head company to develop and produce the fighter of the fifth generation. The prototype of the PAK FA would take-off in 2006 and that in 2010 the aircraft would be ready for series production. The first deliveries, both for Russian armed forces and for export, would be possible in 2011-12.

The new airplane is being proposed to be brought from the concept design to a prototype series in less than 9 years. Historically, fourth and fifth generation fighters have not been created in less than 15 years. The Russian government has promised to allocate 1.5 billion dollars for the PAK FA through 2010. But the Russian Air Force is receiving less than 200 million dollars a year during this period, and will spend it primarily on other needs.

The prices and sources of funding will determine the destiny of the whole program. To date officials agree that the program will cost $1.5 billion. However, $1.5 billion is the sum needed for creating a new generation of avionics for the fighter (considering the fact that pre-production models of the phased array have already been produced, and will soon be tested). And finally, designers will have to spend several hundred millions of dollars on creating a new airframe.

The development of an engine for the fifth generation jet fighters involves two big companies, NPO Saturn (in consortium with UMPO) and FSUE Salyut, which are participating in this project and competing against each other to win the state-guaranteed order. The project is being implemented in two stages: firstly through upgrading the fourth-generation AL-31F engine and, secondly, the development of a basically new configuration of the fifth-generation engine. The consortium led by NPO Saturn was the winner of the first stage and their engine design will be installed on the first PAK FA engine prototypes. Their procurement has been scheduled for 2010. However, installation of the unit developed by Salyut on the modernised Su-27 jet fighter has already been carried out since December 2006. The financing for the first stage is considerably lower than the funds planned by the government to finance the second stage (according to unofficial information US$500m and US$2–3bn, respectively). Completion of the AL-41F engine (present readiness is 30 percent) will require, in the opinion of the boss of Rosaviakosmos, 600 - 800 million dollars. Saturn said that launching of production of the AL-41F engine would take $150 million. An improved version of the AL-31F will be used on the aircraft originally (though it is not clear how these heavy motors are reconciled with the concept of a 20-ton fighter). The upgrade of these engines will require expenditures of 1.2-1.5 billion dollars.

State financing will cover not more than 20-22 percent of the cost of the development of the PAK FA. It will thus be necessary to draw extrabudgetary sources of funding, lending the development program a principle of openness for international cooperation. In the opinion of experts, export income, if it is taken from the plants, can provide not more than 1 billion dollars. It is maintained that the insufficient amounts can be received from foreign partners.

The plane's development will be conducted with a view of achieving a reasonable compromise between its cost and combat efficiency, and take into account the market demand. exports sales of the new warplane must reach 500 to 600 fighters at a price of $35 to $40 million each to make production of the new aircraft profitable.

According to some reports, India and Russia have agreed to jointly develop this fifth-generation fighter, under a scheduled with entery into service in 2009. This would be the first such joint development venture between the two countries.

There is little chance that Russia will have fifth-generation pursuit planes of its own. Development and construction of a fifth-generation fighter would require about $20 billion dollars, and as of early 2004 it was unlikely that the government will appropriate financing of this scale. "The problem is that economic and military authorities in this country live in parallel spaces and have no common approach to problems," according to Deputy Director of the analytical department of the Political and Military Analysis Institute Alexander Khramchikhin.

According to a report on 09 January 2008, the general director of the company "Sukhoi" Michael Pogosyan the tests are officially planned for 2009, and “closer to 2015” its serial production must start. In general all goes according to the schedule, he said. "Now we are at the stage of constructing pre-production models of the plane. It is necessary go step by step through the stages which are directly linked to the preparation of the flight tests".

On 03 April 2008 RIA Novosti reported that Russia planned to begin flight tests of the new fifth-generation fighter in 2009. "The development of a fifth-generation Advanced Tactical Frontline Fighter is being carried out under the Sukhoi PAK FA project," Russian industry and energy minister Viktor Khristenko said in a report posted on the ministry's website. "The flight tests of the aircraft are scheduled to begin in 2009," he said. The new fighter aircraft, which will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft-manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.

On 07 July 2008 Air Force commander Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said "We will begin test flights [of the new fighter] in 2009, and hope to receive the aircraft in 2013".


General characteristics

Crew: 1 (pilot)/2(crew)for Indian variant
Length: 22.0 m (72 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 14.2 m (46 ft 7 in)
Height: 6.05 m (19 ft 10 in)
Wing area: 78.8 m² (848 ft²)
Empty weight: 18,500 kg (40,786 lb)
Loaded weight: 26,000 kg (57,320 lb)
Useful load: 7,500 kg (16,535 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 37,000 kg (81,571 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Saturn-Lyulka AL-41F turbofan
Dry thrust: 96.1 kN (9,800 kgf, 21,605 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 152 kN (15,500 kgf, 34,172 lbf) each
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2+ at altitude
Cruise speed: 1,300 km/h (807.8 mph)
Ferry range: 4,000 to 5,500 km (2,485 to 3,418 mi)
Rate of climb: 350 m/s (68,898 ft/min)
Wing loading: 470 kg/m² (96.3 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.84 (dry thrust)
Minimum thrust/weight:
With afterburner: 1.19
Runway length requirement: 350 m (1,148 ft)
Endurance: 3.3 hrs (198 mins)
Armament


Guns: 2 × 30 mm internal cannon
Hardpoints: 8 total, 4 on each side of the aircraft.
Avionics


Radar: N050(?)BRLS AESA/PESA Radar (Enhancement of IRBIS-E) on SU-35
Frequency: 3 Cm (0.118 in) (X-band)
Diameter: 0.7 m (2 ft 4 in)
Targets: 32 tracked, 8 engaged
Range: 400 km (248 mi)
EPR: 3 m² (32.3 ft²) at 160 km (99.4 mi)
RCS: 0.01 m² at 90 km (55 mi)
Azimuth: +/-70°, +90/-50°
Power: 4,000 W
Weight: 65 to 80 kg (143 to 176 lb)

Above are specification may defer in actual output

FGFA

The Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) being jointly developed by India and Russia will look substantially different for the two countries. While the Russian version will be a single-pilot fighter, the Indian variant will have a twin-seat configuration based on its operational doctrine which calls for greater radius of combat operations.

"The Indian FGFA is significantly different from the Rusisan aircraft because a second pilot means the addition of another dimension, development of wings and control surfaces," said Ashok Baweja, chairman of the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), which is developing the aircraft alongwith Russia's Sukhoi design bureau.

Speaking to mediapersons at the eighth Indo-Russian Inter-Governmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation (IRIGC), Baweja said that both sides had moved closer towards identifying the key areas of participation in the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft Programme (FGFA) for which both countries had signed a joint agreement in 2007. India would bring into play its expertise in composites, lightweight high-strength materials that significantly bring down the weight of an aeronautical platform.

The Russian aircraft is thus called because it is a successor to virtually every fourth and 4.5 generation fighter aircraft like the MiG-29 and Su-30 MKI in the inventories of both countries. It has been dubbed the 'Raptorski' for its similarity to the US F-22 Raptor that entered squadron service this year.

The first prototype of the Sukhoi Design Bureau's PAK-FA 'T-50' fighter aircraft is set to fly in Russia next year. "We are in the process of defining what part of the contract to give to the Indian production agencies,'' said Alexey Fedorov, president of the United Aircraft Corporation, the umbrella organization of Russian fixed-wing aircraft manufacturers. Fedorov said that the process of identifying the participation of Indian partners in the FGFA would be completed by the year-end or in the shortest possible time.

According to Baweja, it features stealth, or a drastic reduction in the aircraft's radar cross-section or 'signature', and the ability to 'super cruise' or jet engines that fly stealthily without engaging noisy afterburners even at supersonic speeds, embedded weapons with the capability to engage multiple ground, sea and air targets and seamless communication between the fighter, other aircraft and ground stations.

Baweja said that the first prototype of the FGFA was to fly next year with the ALF-31 FP engine. He said he would want an engine that had 15 to 20 per cent more growth than this engine in the final aircraft configuration. The FGFA is to enter squadron service by 2015 and will replace at least three classes of aircraft in the IAF.

The joint-venture borrows heavily from the success of the Brahmos project but seems fated to repeat its story. By the 1990s, Russia, the world's only operator of supersonic surface-to-surface missiles, had already perfected the Yakhont missile but lacked the funds to pursue its development. Indian stepped in with the finance in 1998 and the missile was re-launched as the Brahmos.

Designs for the PAK-FA have already been frozen by the Sukhoi design bureau, which means that Indian aircraft engineers have already missed out on the critical knowledge curve of aircraft design. Also, the unequal status of the Indian and Russian aviation industries means India will be the junior partner contributing very little except finance. "So if we have missed out on the design phase, we have to analyse the cost-benefits of acquiring only super cruise and stealth technology for $ 10 billion," asks Air Vice Marshal Kak.
 

Russia
Brazil could make Russian new-generation fighters under license


12:33 | 07/ 04/ 2009

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MOSCOW, April 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia may allow Brazil to produce its fifth-generation fighters under a license in the future, a senior Russian government official said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

"We are discussing with the well-known Brazilian company Embraer the transfer of technology and the construction of facilities for the future licensed production of the aircraft, including the fifth-generation fighter," said Alexander Fomin, deputy director of the Federal Service on Military-Technical Cooperation.

Russia's advanced multirole fighter is being developed by the Sukhoi aircraft maker, part of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), along with India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), under a preliminary intergovernmental agreement signed in October 2007.

The first prototype is scheduled to make its maiden flight before the end of 2009.

Last November, Russia and Brazil signed a series of agreements on military technology cooperation which emphasize the protection of intellectual property rights and technology secrets.

The agreements will facilitate the transfer of technology and the licensed production of the Russian aircraft in Brazil if Moscow decides to sign a contract with the South American country.

Meanwhile, Russia's Su-35 jet fighter is participating in an ongoing tender for the delivery of over 100 fighters to the Brazilian Air Force.

"We are actively participating in the Brazilian tender, which has been reopened. It involves over 100 fighter planes. Russia has made a bid in the tender with its Su-35 multirole fighter. The tender has stiff requirements, involving not only the sale, but also the transfer of technology. It is a key condition of the deal and Russia is ready to satisfy it," Fomin said.

Brazil wants a multirole fighter to protect its national airspace as well as to keep track of smugglers in the Amazon basin and guard the country's offshore oil rigs. However, it also wants the multi-billion dollar contract to reenergize the domestic defense industry through home-grown production and as much technology transfer as can be afforded.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090407/120955182.html
 
Here's what India has to say about it.

PAK-FA: The next Indo-Russian 5th Generation aircraft

With the agreement by the Indian defense minister Ak Antony and Sergei Avinov, both countries have agreed upon an ambitious project to build a 5th generation combat aircraft. Once the project takes off it will be a 50-50 partnership effort by both countries, like the previous very successful Brahmos hypersonic cruise missile system.

Information on this jet is very vague and internet forums are filled with rumors about this new jet. PAK FA stands for Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi - Future Air Complex for Tactical Air Forces. Although there is no source that is reliable on the design and specifications of the aircraft the information basically sums up to by saying all the basics of a 5th generation aircraft; stealthy, ability to supercruise, armed with next generation air-to-air, air-to-ground, air-to-ship missiles and equipped with AESA radar. It is also rumored to be powered by a Saturn AL-41F engine. Some sources say that PAK FA was developed in response to the 5th generation American fighter JSF . Therefore we can infer that the capabilities of PAK FA might be similar to the JSF.

Analysts are predicting the maximum speed will be around Mach 2.1. The main component of a 5th generation aircraft is it’s stealth, but it is uncertain on how low the Radar Cross Section is because this is the first time Russia and India are making a complete stealth plane. They can use radar absorbent materials which lowers the RCS like they did for the Indian variant SU-30, SU-30MKI and they might as well use the plasma stealth like the Americans
 
above pic is not - PAK-FA OR FGFA thats lmfs - an fifth gen ration interceptor under process from russia.

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