Pak driver's 'jihadi' brother killed in Kashmir

[Khajur]

That is some really world class overreach and speculation on your part.

Many of these organizations recruit and fund raise in Pakistan, the GoP plays no direct role in that. Some organizations recruit largely outside of Kashmir, others largely from Kashmir, and yet others recruit a mix.

Yaa,thats exactly my point.These organizations(terrorists) can recruit and fund raise in any where in Pakistan.Also GoP plays no direct role in that as it doesnt need to like u have mentioned there are full fledged terror camps operating smoothly in all parts of pakistan.But ofcourse they do get direct "moral support" from ISI.dont they??

So next time no one should make the mistake of calling its only as an indigenous freedom struggle in kashmir since it isnt...its Jehad aganist hindu india.

 

[Bhishma]

Did you miss this part?

I do not care what their secondary motivations are, since most of them are not strong enough to implement their agenda unilaterally

Highly irresponsible statement, sir. How can you guarantee that they will never be able to implement their agenda?

Is that the same complacent thinking that led to the loss of FATA and Swat to the Taliban forces?

 

[vkurian]

Actually there was no quick thinking on the part of this driver. In fact, he had kept the bus standing still for a full two minutes before he listened to the shouting Sri Lankans who told him to get the hell out.

As for the second van carrying the other officials: It should be noted that the other driver had brought that van to a complete halt too. In fact, he had put it into neutral gear. The fact that he was later on shot and died with his foot on the accelerator is a different matter.

Were these drivers instructed to halt the vehicles? The whole thing reeks of an inside job. IMHO IGP Mohammad Malik Iqbal is a prime suspect. See:

Friend let us give him credit for what he did as it is a difficult thing to be in control of the situation when you are fired on from all sides .

We should not be judgemental on every ones action and show empathy.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So next time no one should make the mistake of calling its only as an indigenous freedom struggle in kashmir since it isnt...its Jehad aganist hindu india.

That is incorrect - it is a struggle against Indian occupation and atrocities in Kashmir. Pakistan stands for allowing the people of Kashmir the option of exercising their right to choose their future status as part of Pakistan or India, as agreed upon by both India and Pakistan in the UNSC and under partition rules.

It is India that has violated that understanding and those agreements and insists upon continuing its occupation.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Highly irresponsible statement, sir. How can you guarantee that they will never be able to implement their agenda?

Is that the same complacent thinking that led to the loss of FATA and Swat to the Taliban forces?

Swat and FATA had to deal with the existence of Afghanistan on the other side, the historical autonomy, the tribal structure, being some of the most backward and undeveloped parts of Pakistan, as well as the invasion of Afghanistan and the chaos there.

The political, social and religious dynamics are different in FATA and Kashmir, but in any case, given the established government structures in both Kashmirs (AK and IK) a power vacuum such as the one in FATA is unlikely to exist and allow such groups to gain control.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

LP:

Please, lets not merely repeat debunked claims again and again on every thread.

There is a thread on these issues, and most of the arguments here have been addressed. Take it up there.

 

[Energon]

The 'kind of people' he supported were fighting an illegal occupation by India and the rapes and atrocities committed by the Indian security forces in J&K, not terrorists such as those in Lahore or Mumbai.

His brother died fighting for a just and noble cause.

Circular argument. Terrorists bring about the kinds of conditions which precipitate extreme violence and upheaval, that is the primary intention. (This of course is by no means an excuse for the inhuman acts prior to the onset of full blown insurgency). This guy was nonetheless a terrorist who succumbed to the fate all terrorists should.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Circular argument. Terrorists bring about the kinds of conditions which precipitate extreme violence and upheaval, that is the primary intention. (This of course is by no means an excuse for the inhuman acts prior to the onset of full blown insurgency). This guy was nonetheless a terrorist who succumbed to the fate all terrorists should.

In the case of Kashmir the conditions precipitating the insurgency and freedom movement were the occupation of Kashmir. The atrocities, terrorism in fact, if deliberate acts of violence against non-combatants is considered as such, committed by the Indian security forces further fed the freedom movement.

The guy was a freedom fighter martyred for a just cause.

 

[Energon]

In the case of Kashmir the conditions precipitating the insurgency and freedom movement were the occupation of Kashmir. The atrocities, terrorism in fact, if deliberate acts of violence against non-combatants is considered as such, committed by the Indian security forces further fed the freedom movement.

The guy was a freedom fighter martyred for a just cause.

Not really... but if it makes you feel better then go for it. I'm just glad this terrorist got his.

 

[dabong1]

I always hear from pakistani memebers how indigenous kashmir struggle is and pakistan only provide moral support to kashmir freedom fighter.

And we hear from the indians "why are your muslim brothers not helping you"?

But in reality,as u the case of dead militant brother of this punjabi bus driver from lahore,it proves the fact that pakistan have been recruiting,training & sending poor class pakistani men from all parts of pakistan in the name of Jehad and infiltrating these terrorists into indian kashmir & rest of india for all these yrs as a part of what india call proxy war..

The same way the indian army have been recruiting,training & sending poor class indian men from all parts of india in the name of huinduisim and infiltrating these mercenaries into kashmir for all these yrs as a part of what pakistan call a occupation.

No wonder that Kasab & all his associates of 26/11 attack belonged to punjab province of pakistan

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Where was Lieutenant-Colonel Purohit from?

 

[dabong1]

So next time no one should make the mistake of calling its only as an indigenous freedom struggle in kashmir since it isnt...its Jehad aganist hindu india.

It was a indigenous freedom struggle at the start but then we got involved the same way you indians did during the bangladesh war.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Not really... but if it makes you feel better then go for it. I'm just glad this terrorist got his.

At the risk of nit picking, its not matter of 'feeling' - those are the facts.

The infiltration and attempted insurgency in 1965 was driven by Indian occupation, violation of agreements to hold a plebiscite in Kashmir, and refusal to settle the dispute - an effective closure of all diplomatic and political options and avenues for dispute resolution on Kashmir by India.

The later insurgency was borne out of that continued attitude by India and the events leading to 1971 and the Siachen violation by India.

 

[dabong1]

The guy was a freedom fighter martyred for a just cause.

Pakistan Zindabad

 

[Bhishma]

Utter nonsense. There is no excuse for supporting an Islamic insurgency.

Jehadi apoligists like yourself should be ashamed of yourselves. You are no better than the Jehadis, because you tacitly (actually openly) support them.

Yet, to you the Taliban are terrorists. How convenient.

Pashtunistan Zindabad I say!! Let the Pashtuns fight for their freedom!

Free Swat at last. Free from the carpet bombing of the Pakistani army. Free from the tyrannical grip of the Pakistani state.

 

[notsuperstitious]

That is incorrect - it is a struggle against Indian occupation and atrocities in Kashmir. Pakistan stands for allowing the people of Kashmir the option of exercising their right to choose their future status as part of Pakistan or India, as agreed upon by both India and Pakistan in the UNSC and under partition rules.

It is India that has violated that understanding and those agreements and insists upon continuing its occupation.

Hi,

Can you pls help me find what partition rules? as per the mountbatten plan (june plan?) the king of a princely state could decide, irrespective of the composition of the population, keeping in mind the terrotorial integrity of the two nations.

Sorry for the off topic post, but its linked to your claim that kashmir is a just struggle.