Pak Afghan Border Clashes Continue

[A.M.]

Actually yes they did.

This is what our forces looked like when they started fighting terrorists 15 odd years ago.

This is what FC guys were equipped with.

We had no equipment of COIN or a strategy. We developed that on the ground, whilst fighting a war we didn't expect.

Ok i'll give you that but it also had to do with milking the coalition support fund for as long as possible. Now that the money has dried up, it's time to clean up shop.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Yea they did and why did the clean up happen now and not 10 years ago?

Did the Army get some shiny new guns recently?

The clean up started under Kayani, it didn't "just happen now", and it isn't complete and will never be complete until civilian administrative and law enforcement institutions are functioning properly in FATA and Balochistan.

And one of the reasons it took time to get going is because no one, not the politicians, not the military, not the 'Pakistani Awaam' wanted to support military operations in FATA or elsewhere against the Taliban. Please remember the degenerate display of anger and insults (by the Pakistani Awaam, media and politicians) directed at the military for carrying out the Lal Masjid operation. Please remember the lack of public support for 'military operations that are killing our own Taliban brothers in FATA and Swat. The media was full of comparisons like 'this is another East Pakistan like moment in FATA, with a genocide of the Pashtun in FATA'.

It took the obscene brutality of the Mullah Fazlullah in Swat to change public and political opinion against the Taliban in Swat and in favor of military operations to defeat them.

It took the obscene brutality of suicide bombings across Pakistan to change public and political opinion in favor of military operations in the rest of FATA and it took the massacre of an entire school full of children to FORCE ganja and various other political players to support and end to the fantasy of 'negotiating with our Taliban brothers'.

For fucks sake, the PMLN leadership was depraved and baigharat enough to plead with the TTP to 'please not attack Punjab because the PMLN had not supported military operations against them'. The political leadership and Pakistani Awaam had to be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting military operations in FATA and elsewhere.

 

[khanasifm]

Ok i'll give you that but it also had to do with milking the coalition support fund for as long as possible. Now that the money has dried up, it's time to clean up shop.

The second picture of khasadar or political agent police force and not fc

So these r khasadar who are responsible for internal policing and fc mostly on borders and strategic deployment in area which can be called for internal support as well

 

[Sully3]

Yea they did and why did the clean up happen now and not 10 years ago?

Did the Army get some shiny new guns recently?

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why is america after 17 years, 3 different presidents, trillions of dollars, countless lives lost still loosing in afghanistan ?

this should shut you up for a while ...

 

[Chimgathar]

I think still no response from ISPR.
Also no response from Foreign Office, no Afghan official called in for protest, no economic or other sanctions proposal on Afghanistan. Any reason why?

 

[tarrar]

Pakistan should use armed drones & airforce to strike these wh**e Afghanis down & strike deep in their shit territory.

 

[帅的一匹]

Now Afgan serves as a proxy to poke Pakistan under instruction of the Bahrat and the west. Time to give them a lesson, a hard lesson.

Just like how we teached Vietnam a hard lesson when they harried our border.

Can't step down. The more you stay backwards, the more they will play aggressively. You give him an inch, he will take a mile.

Pakistan should use armed drones & airforce to strike these wh**e Afghanis down & strike deep in their shit territory.

Wing Long II is under liscense production at PAC.

 

[Menace2Society]

Now Afgan serves as a proxy to poke Pakistan under instruction of the Bahrat and the west. Time to give them a lesson, a hard lesson.

Just like how we teached Vietnam a hard lesson when they harried our border.

Can't step down. The more you stay backwards, the more they will play aggressively. You give him an inch, he will take a mile.


Wing Long II is under liscense production at PAC.

Thats why PA should invade Kunar Nuristan Khost with scorched earth policy. Burn everything and everyone, poision the water crops and make it arid so nobody settles. Bunkerbuster sorties on the caves to smoke them out.

 

[pzfz]

why is america after 17 years, 3 different presidents, trillions of dollars, countless lives lost still loosing in afghanistan ?

this should shut you up for a while ...

that makes no sense. america at least recognizes the enemy and bombs them. here you have the great army negotiating for the dead bodies of its soldiers.

Thats why PA should invade Kunar Nuristan Khost with scorched earth policy. Burn everything and everyone, poision the water crops and make it arid so nobody settles. Bunkerbuster sorties on the caves to smoke them out.

Little more nuance but that is the gist of it. Buffer zone into afghanistani territory. No google maps. No negotiations. Raise the village where the attacks came from. But PA is too timid. Sloganeering is all they'll do.

 

[Menace2Society]

Little more nuance but that is the gist of it. Buffer zone into afghanistani territory. No google maps. No negotiations. Raise the village where the attacks came from. But PA is too timid. Sloganeering is all they'll do.

They are so close to total victory but too timid to finish the job.

You can't contain foreign funded proxies. You can't bargain with them. Only solution is total annihilation.

 

[Sully3]

that makes no sense. america at least recognizes the enemy and bombs them. here you have the great army negotiating for the dead bodies of its soldiers.

LOL great american army taking them over 17 years plus to defeat the rag tag Taliban who are still to this day invited to take part in Afghan government elections by Ashraf Ghani

Regarding Pakistan collecting their dead soldiers, well truth is Afghans dont care about how many of their soldiers die, pak army could wipe out a full ANA battalion (very easily) and the Afghanis really wont care. They are used to seeing ANA's own defectors blowing up army barracks killing hundreds of Afghan soldiers.

After 100s of years of humiliation, foreign empires ruling Afg just like how the Americans and its allies have been ruling over Afghanistan for the last 17 years killing a few pakistani soldiers fencing a border is the only joy Aghanis have had so enjoy the moment.
The turth will always remain the same you Afghans hate each other and kill each other all the time and your 5000 year old country must be so shit and living in the stone age that Afghanis sell their mothers for an asylum to Europe.

 

[Moon]

Here we comes to the end. No more curfews are taking place.... now I am a bit confused, am I living in Pakistani FATA where Army imposes curfew whenever they want or .??? what.. you .... you are saying, no more curfews.....??? where????


Well not, the point is not and was not about removal of check post, it was about Army personal attitude with civilian, which you are constantly ignoring.

Amigo, it's a war zone; armies aren't meant to deal with civilians; never have, never will, they shouldn't be there in the first place, but because FATA and Swat were home to bomb making factories, tribals loyal to TTP and TTP itself army had to roll in, same with Karachi. People who conducted some of the worst atrocities were heroes and unchallenged in FATA.

In the beginning, I also asked every single person whenever someone used to criticism Army rule in Fight against terror, by asking them why not you stand for your right if Army is violating it, and every time, I got the almost same reply despite the location from which that person belongs...... Whenever someone tries to raise their voice, some unknown gunmen shot them dead, police fails to identify their killer.

If that's the case, side with the army, not with the TTP or anyone who is raising suspicion. This happened in Karachi when MQM-L became prominent;and now it's on it's death bed.

Man, what's stopping you from moving to where you feel safe? It's not like Pakistan isn't big enough. Don't side with these PTM folks, believe me; they've already shown signs of TTP 2.0

 

[shahbaz baig]

This post continue from here..

two neighbours have reached
their lowest following a number of clashes along their common border
which have led to fatalities on both sides. In June 2016, Pakistan informed
Afghan authorities about the installation of new border initiatives for
‘facilitating cross-border movement,’ and ‘curbing unregulated and illegal
cross-border movement.’ These measures included the construction of a
gate at the Torkham crossing, as well as valid and legal travel documents
(passport and visa) for all the Afghans entering Pakistan,27 including those
Afghan students (numbering 300+) who enter Pakistan daily for studies.

This move was a part of the National Action Plan (NAP), initiated in 2015, to
curb terrorism as well as a widespread effort to secure the Pak-Afghan
border. Prior to this, due to the unregulated border system, all those entering
Pakistan from Afghanistan would do so without legal travel documents.
However, the Afghan authorities expressed strong opposition and resorted
to unprovoked firing, which resulted in the death of Major Jawad Ali
Changezi, as well as one Afghan soldier. It is pertinent to highlight that the
Afghan authorities had been intimated about Pakistan’s initiatives at
Torkham well in advance as construction work had commenced, but as a result, tensions are still high in both the countries.
Public demonstrations were held in Afghanistan against Pakistan, where
Pakistani flags were burnt and slogans of ‘death to Pakistan’ were chanted.
Similarly, in Pakistan, emotions ran high amongst the public who demanded
the expulsion of Afghan refugees from Pakistan. on June 15, 2016, a ceasefire was agreed upon by the border authorities of both the
countries. But no result yet, further Prior to this, on May 10, 2016, the Torkham border had been
closed for four days after Afghan security forces prevented the installation
of a fence by Pakistan despite being 30 meters inside Pakistan’s territory.
As a result, tensions escalated as the two countries deployed tanks and additional troops along the Torkham border.. Etc etc so on and so on.. But no result yet with haram khor afghans...

Now do not listen to them and hit back hard the b@stards if they again create hurdle during fencing the border.

Pakistan has the legal right to fence
its side of the border without consent from Afghanistan following the
precedence of the US-Mexico border, which has been unilaterally fenced by
the US under the Secure Fence Act 2006. This has been deemed lawful
under international law since the US as a sovereign state is entitled to protect
its territory, integrity, and national security through the implementation of immigration policy... So pakistan does not need to listen these haram khors on the other side of the border.. You understand

 

[Haris Mansoor]

Amigo, it's a war zone; armies aren't meant to deal with civilians; never have, never will, they shouldn't be there in the first place, but because FATA and Swat were home to bomb making factories, tribals loyal to TTP and TTP itself army had to roll in, same with Karachi. People who conducted some of the worst atrocities were heroes and unchallenged in FATA.

Then why we condemn Indian army for their acts in Kashmir or Israeli army for what they do to Palestine, I am in no way comparing the situation on ground in FATA with Kashmir or Palestine, but the scenario is same, "" Army in action against anti state groups, do bad to civilian"" , But the bad thing about Pakistan army is, in Kashmir or Palestine, civilians are also against them while here in Pakistan civilians support Army still they get mistreated.
Again, I am just comparing the scenario, not the level of mistreatment

If that's the case, side with the army, not with the TTP or anyone who is raising suspicion. This happened in Karachi when MQM-L became prominent;and now it's on it's death bed.

I am on the side of Pakistan, I consider Pakistan army an organization which protects Pakistan from its enemies, but in this case, Army is damaging Pakistan and is creating more enemies for it.

Man, what's stopping you from moving to where you feel safe? It's not like Pakistan isn't big enough. Don't side with these PTM folks, believe me; they've already shown signs of TTP 2.0

This one is harsh, this one is killing and a reason for the raise of hate against Punjabi. Instead of recognizing someone's problems and look for the solution, you are suggesting to surrender to it.
Do you remember in start of operation zarb-e-azb Punjab govt banned entry to IDPs into punjab?
Secondary a lot of people did, moved to other parts of Pakistan, Rao Anwar killed about 440 peoples in last couple of years in encounters, All of them were Pashtoon. So what if they move to other areas if they had to get killed.
And yes I foresee PTM and armed movement, and that is because of government not ready to listen.
Do you know, Mullah Fazlullah's movement was a peaceful movement for about 4 years, and they picked guns in his fifth year.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Alexander, the brits, soviet union and g dubbs assumed the same...

The rag tag loonies not worth wasting a decent missile, let our boys target practice with G-3s.