PAF's First Aggressor Unit TDS

[Inception-06]

windy Bhai that's the usual mumbo jumbo we the civvies have been fed with for the last many decades . Come up with some thing interesting , it's not entertaining anymore


yes sir , we could surely crawl another bloody mile before getting decimated once and for all . Meanwhile enjoy this national horse and pony show

You also have to mention his beloved Fuucck-6teens, which are to less in numbers, not sanction prove, so we can say meaningless compared to bulk of IAF !

Confused;

For a force that is focused on point defense doctrine, where is the aggressor unit going to fit ?

Or are we changing the defense centered doctrine ?
IF we indeed are, then the tools must already have been identified and plans in progress.

An aggressor squadron or adversary squadron (in the US Navy and USMC) is a squadron that is trained to act as an opposing force in military wargames. Aggressor squadrons use enemy tactics, techniques, and procedures to give a realistic simulation of air combat (as opposed to training against one's own forces).

 

[Thorough Pro]

Who do defenders defend against? read the patch

Confused;

For a force that is focused on point defense doctrine, where is the aggressor unit going to fit ?

Or are we changing the defense centered doctrine ?
IF we indeed are, then the tools must already have been identified and plans in progress.

 

[CriticalThought]

A lot of people misread both the idea of defensive and the aggressor patch

Those looking for defensive in context of PaF can read my article on the JF-17

And this is an agressor unit that will operate both in CCS & outside of it and will be dedicated for playing the enemy and using their tactics.

Currently CCS squadrons take turns in being the "enemy" & friendly- which at times can be taxing and inefficient

Not only that, aggressor units simulate enemy aircraft through any means available. In the case of USAF, these comprise mainly F-16s and F-15s but for operational testing they have been known to procure Russian aircraft like SU-27/Mig-29. They also get the results of Sigint so they can simulate EW threats.

In a recent video, I think I saw that patch on Mirage drivers? In any case, expect them to gain the means to create realistic simulation of Rafale, SU-30, and Mig-29s.

 

[SQ8]

Not only that, aggressor units simulate enemy aircraft through any means available. In the case of USAF, these comprise mainly F-16s and F-15s but for operational testing they have been known to procure Russian aircraft like SU-27/Mig-29. They also get the results of Sigint so they can simulate EW threats.

In a recent video, I think I saw that patch on Mirage drivers? In any case, expect them to gain the means to create realistic simulation of Rafale, SU-30, and Mig-29s.

The mirages can simulate the Jaguar or Mig-23.

 

[CriticalThought]

The mirages can simulate the Jaguar or Mig-23.

All in good time...

 

[Thorough Pro]

Two things, First, Almost all of the posters on this thread must have read and/or posted on Red flag exercises threads, yet 98% posters here failed to comprehend what an "Aggressor" unit is

Second, sometime back (probably a year or so) in an interview Air Chief mentioned about establishing a state of the art advanced fighter training school / academy (on the lines of Red Flag) for our own as well as pilots from friendly countries, I believe this aggressor unit is a part of the same project

 

[BetterPakistan]

it was need of time we also need heavy bombers and killer aircrafts . f-16 and thunders are not enough

don't worry we're gonna induct stealthy J-31 to fill the gap

 

[omega supremme]

@Windjammer Bhai waiting for the information you were going to give about this Aggressor unit.

 

[Hamza913]

Thanks to ALLAH , PAK forces are changing there "Defensive" force doctrine(looks like). Current doctrine of PAF and PN is against Islam , Quran and any modern warfare strategy .
You and your forces are useless if they cant go in to Enemy territory. simple , Isnt it?

It's not haram to fight a defensive conflict lol, I'm a Salafi and even I don't think that.

 

[Trango Towers]

First its not a Fatwa , Second do you really know what happened in both 2 Ghazwa you mentioned? I don't want go in detail of them , that time , geopolitical situation etc .
I only add one thing here , look at PAF and PN of 65 and PAF and PN of 2017 ! What different (difference) you fined??
For Muslims War is under many restrictions and codes (with ethics and morals) which world recognised very late , and if you closely observe them you will see what I mean. I am against the loud moth cry of "Defensive Force" and not having conventional way (Arms) of "Offensive Force".
Note: I really don't like bringing Islam or Religion in discussion but one can not let it go or ignore it , @HAKIKAT , gave Non-Religious example of French in WWII for reference.
@snow lake and you open your mouth like a kid with a keyboard , Read full understand then open your mouth , I am sure you can read well. I guess I m old but you are young and intelligent , can you please let us all know how you will bomb a target 1000KM or 1200Km inside India(enemy territory) conventionally (normal way) ?? Will you use JF-17 or F-16 ? Its not a kamikaze mission!! @MastanKhan

All Muslims knows that some times Our Great Prophet (PBUH) have nothing to eat for few days , but How many swords HE(PBUH) have ! Any one ?

@Chaca G...I guess like all the problems in pakistan there is an elderly man behind it....forced marriges, encouging to give and take bribes don the long beards show us all they pray yet have no idea what they are praying in arabic. and I can go on all day. talk is cheap. I suggest fix yourself first then try your family then give advice. besides you are rude, why on earth would I listen to you? easy to get on your soap box and say its unislamic as you did below


Thanks to ALLAH , PAK forces are changing there "Defensive" force doctrine(looks like). Current doctrine of PAF and PN is against Islam , Quran and any modern warfare strategy .
You and your forces are useless if they cant go in to Enemy territory. simple , Isnt it?

 

[Mentee]

Fuucck-6teens

that's something innovative

well i'm an optimistic guy, we can't just give up i think we still have hope.

all hope to survive a war is lost unless we immediately get our hands on some 5-6 squadrons of jh-7b's/ j11 d's/j-10b's ----------

 

[Trango Towers]

did he say anything philosophical ? If you won't take the lead and the fury to the enemy's land then they gonna be delivering it at your doorstep

please reread what he wrote

Thanks to ALLAH , PAK forces are changing there "Defensive" force doctrine(looks like). Current doctrine of PAF and PN is against Islam , Quran and any modern warfare strategy .
You and your forces are useless if they cant go in to Enemy territory. simple , Isnt it?

 

[Mentee]

please reread what he wrote

Thanks to ALLAH , PAK forces are changing there "Defensive" force doctrine(looks like). Current doctrine of PAF and PN is against Islam , Quran and any modern warfare strategy .
You and your forces are useless if they cant go in to Enemy territory. simple , Isnt it?

jihad fi Sabilillah is the moto of our armed forces so what chacha g posted is 100% right

 

[CriticalThought]

*AHEM* Twin-engine heavy strike fighters notwithstanding, no body ventures into a well defended airspace without taking out the air defences. This included America itself. It's the way air war is fought in modern times. Indian air defences have reached to a point that you will not be taking them out in a hurry. It would be a campaign lasting months, and the attrition of self aircraft would be huge. And that's *IF* the battle is confined to air. In reality, ground forces will also move quickly and a lot of long rang weaponry such as missiles and rockets will be used. Ground forces will need to take over territory to ensure that territory is not used against our aircrafts. And here is the beauty: If ground forces don't take a large amount of territory, deep strikes are out of the question. If they do, then you can have refueling aircraft flying and quick and dirty runways can be created for aircraft to land. Why do we need a 'heavy strike fighter'?????

 

[Trango Towers]

jihad fi Sabilillah is the moto of our armed forces so what chacha g posted is 100% right

no it isn't.....where does it say that when you take a defensive position its against islam? please quoet referneces from quran and hadith to justify your position. you are just backing chacha G out of loyalty.
regarding jihad.....have you been has chacha G been? or like all things its just talk?