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All debates regarding Pafs end up with no funds---no money----no dinero---no dollars---. And the more I have thought about it---the more I have reached this simplest of conclusions-----.

PAF needs to get into the real estate business----it needs to create a building and construction wing to support its procurement of heavy weapons.

What it needs to do is to ask each province to donate it 2000---3000 acres of prime real estate property that can be converted to residential properties---. It needs to develop that land-----and then it needs to construct high end housing societies on the basis of pre sold----.

Services of someone like Malik Riaz may be used free of charge---he should be given the responsibility of developing---planning and modelling the society and arrange for sale at no payment to him---.

You will have all the needed funds----. If anyone has a different idea for funds---please jump in.


This will be more mess as this is not why PAF is made. While, I should go with some donations like every Pakistani should donate some money on monthly basis, like it should be deducted from their salaries on the beginning of a month. Anything, even a 100 rupee would make a lot of some out of 200 Million people.
 
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Hi,

All debates regarding Pafs end up with no funds---no money----no dinero---no dollars---. And the more I have thought about it---the more I have reached this simplest of conclusions-----.

PAF needs to get into the real estate business----it needs to create a building and construction wing to support its procurement of heavy weapons.

What it needs to do is to ask each province to donate it 2000---3000 acres of prime real estate property that can be converted to residential properties---. It needs to develop that land-----and then it needs to construct high end housing societies on the basis of pre sold----.

Services of someone like Malik Riaz may be used free of charge---he should be given the responsibility of developing---planning and modelling the society and arrange for sale at no payment to him---.

You will have all the needed funds----. If anyone has a different idea for funds---please jump in.

They should enter the finance space and play in the stock markets. Either they will have a 5th generation fighter in couple of years or they will end up selling current inventories. Karo ya Maro!

This will also give @Armstrong an opportunity to make some money. Bhaiya, humme math bhoolna when you get this chance :D
 
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Hi,

Actually it don't survive on Indian order now---you survive because of the goodness of their hearts---once you get the plane---they got you by the ballz---aka---cojones---now they got a tight grip on you----240 times tight grip---this grip is directly proportional to the number of SU aircraft in your inventory----.

You cannot dictate---you cannot squirm----you can only cry----.

You can only dictate before you have placed the order---after that---just use your imagination.

A response I expected. Normally I do not post on this forum as most of you Pakistanis behave like children.Here your reaction is of a child which started shouting because he did not liked colour of his candy.

You need to understand few basic things. A order ,especially in case of long term relations as between India-Russia and India-France is not the last order. India is not just buying Rafael, but is buying Scorpene, and is partnering MBDA in developing QR-SAM, and is buying reactors worth tens of billions from Areva.First French are contract bound to not sell same equipment to you as they have sold to us (and if your generals have brain,they would not buy that equipment in large number), and then you people not only need to offer them a better deal than India, but also need to have economic ability to repeat that again and again. Barring US and China, no one would sell you anything, if there is even a chance that India may buy it due to the value of such order ,and also due to fact that India buys with hard cash, not soft loans ot grants.

The case of Russia is even more impossible from your PoV. While India pays royalty to Sukhoi for Su-30, it is an OEM. The only thing Sukhoi supplies for Su-30MKI is unmachined alloys for engine. Sukhoi could not embargo India on Su-30MKI because of degree of technology transfer that has taken place. But that is not my core point. I only typed this for information purpose. After all, this cannot prevent Sukhoi from dealing with you, if it want to. The thing that would prevent Sukhoi from selling you anything is the Pak-FA deal. After Russia decided to cut down on its share of FGFA due to sanction, only thing that could make Pak-FA/FGFA viable (and keep Sukhoi afloat) is an Indian order., something which is not guaranteed as India could but F-35. India is already negotiation for F-35C for its second indigenous Aircraft carrier , if need be it could be extended to F-35A. USA would be glad to have to that opportunity, both from financial and strategic purpose.Sukhoi would not jeopardize FGFA deal for sake of a squadron worth of Su-35 order to Pakistan, which Pakistan would anyway buy on soft loan.

Being a Pakistani, what you do not understand is that India does not do a one time deal like you people do, where there is a odd fighter plane order once in 25 years. In case of India, there are always orders pending. This was not so a decade ago, but it is today.It is these recurring orders that has closed French and Russian option for you.

The reason why I recommended that you people try for Mig-35 ,if you want to buy Russian, is because of same reason. While Sukhoi has order of Su-30 still pending with India and is expectant of bagging PAK-FA/FGFA, India is not buying Mig-35 ,even though it is buying choppers and Mig-29K from Mikhoyan. In case you want Mig-35 and Russians are willing to sell it to them, it could ask India to exceed that order which India would neither be willing, nor capable of doing (due to tied funding) thus allowing you to get Mig-35. Even this has very low chance because India is very old customer of Mikhoyan and is still buying its other products, if not Mig-35.

Another point you should know is that whole tender amount for a deal is not paid in one go (at least we do not.Don't know how Pakistanis do it), but is spread over a longer period of time, usually even longer than scheduled delivery. A deal could be terminated by any party, and barring a short window in start when you do not have viable number of aircrafts, termination would hit both parties equally.

Companies play both side of the divide only when both parties are matched.
 
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PAF needs to get into the real estate business----it needs to create a building and construction wing to support its procurement of heavy weapons.

Sir Munni already bahut badnam hai iss waja say. Aur badnam na karwain isay plz :P
 
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Stupidest thread of the week.


Mods please close this thread.
 
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Correcting Pakistanis knowledge on how a loan is constructed u madrassa educated fool

You don't know the meaning of madrassa and pointing on other. learn first and then comments on others
 
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Please...The Fauji Foundation is in any case in charge of large parts of the Pakistani economy, including real estate. Why do you want them to grab even more resources? Invest that money in education, healthcare and law enforcement instead.
like you people did it in your own country.
 
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like you people did it in your own country.

Yes, we spend 2.4% of our GDP on defence as opposed to Pakistan's 3.4%.
Military expenditure (% of GDP) | Data | Table

That saves around $25 b ($75 b in PPP terms) for investment in education, healthcare and law enforcement. A simple internet search would tell you that. But I know that there is no premium on ignorance in Pakistan so I don't blame you at all.:-)

Yes, we spend 2.4% of our GDP on defence as opposed to Pakistan's 3.4%.
Military expenditure (% of GDP) | Data | Table

That saves around $25 b ($75 b in PPP terms) for investment in education, healthcare and law enforcement. A simple internet search would tell you that. But I know that there is no premium on ignorance in Pakistan so I don't blame you at all.:-)

And by the way, just to add, these are official figures. This does not take into account the out of pocket expenses of funding terror networks, coordinating terror attacks, etc. in neighbouring countries which the already burdened Pakistan Army/ISI has to undertake. But don't worry, they only take some of it from the funds required for the well being of your children. The rest they manage by peddling drugs.:pakistan:
http://fas.org/irp/congress/1994_cr/h941003-terror-pak.htm
Bankrupt Pak Banks on Drugs Trade for Funds -The New Indian Express
 
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Aimless Rant thread. CLOSED
 
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