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PAF Vs IAF Command and Control Systems

Some people from the eastern entity are having to learn to swallow a bitter pill, in that the Pakistani Armed Forces hold a clear and present edge in C4I.

A posse ad esse non valet consequentia -

Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis.
and I have given up on doing the above because its non Gradus Anus Rodentum.
 
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In Vino Veritas - I look forward to having a cold one with you bro:)
 
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GeoIntelligence May-June 2010: Geospatial solutions: Geointelligence is key in precision warfare

Geospatial solutions: Geointelligence is key in precision warfare

KK Singh
KK Singh
CMD
Rolta India Ltd
Rolta is the leader in providing geospatial solutions for defence establishments in the country addressing the complete requirements in the sensor-to-shooter chain. Can you elaborate on the kind of products and solutions offered by Rolta?
Militaries across the globe have realised that it is not the number of forces that ensures victory, but the side which harnesses technology as enabling force multiplier. India is also looking to rapidly modernise its armed forces to derive maximum benefit from state-of-the-art, cutting edge military technology and has increased its budget for defence and homeland security segments significantly.

Rolta is indeed a leader in providing geospatial solutions and has been working with the Indian defence forces for more than two decades now and commands over 95% of their geospatial segment. Rolta is uniquely positioned to offer solutions covering the entire range of command, control, communications, surveillance, target acquisition and reconnaissance (C4ISTAR) systems to meet the most stringent requirements of defence forces. The tremendous insights gained from close proximity support in conflict zones under extremely demanding conditions have led Rolta to evolve its offerings into a range of C4ISTAR solutions to address the entire spectrum of challenges faced by defence and security agencies.

Rolta C4ISTAR range of solutions include battlefield management systems for field units and higher echelons, multi-sensor data fusion systems to fuse inputs from various ground and air based sensors and present a coherent intelligence picture (CIP) to the decision makers, Miltrak & Soldier Radio systems to provide situational awareness capability in the battlefield down to the soldiers organised in companies, platoons and sections.

Rolta is rich in intellectual property (IP). This is an important differentiation. Indian defence is populated with our IP. We serve the needs of our customer without worrying about the cost factor. The Indian government, defence and homeland security agencies feel comfortable dealing with a company which is Indian and which has ownership of technology with them.

Modern war has three distinct levels — strategy, operational art and tactics. Can spatial intelligence play a pr ominent role in each of these levels and how?
Whether it is war or peace, geospatial information is essential for an intelligent and updated situational awareness at all levels. Any strategic decision related to movement of assets is assisted by geospatial information. Commanders can build scenarios for location of assets, such that they are easy accessible and resources can be speedily mobilised in case of outbreak of war or situations like natural or man-made calamities, acts of terrorism or insurgency.

Military commanders of all modern armies working in ‘digital’ battlefield environment utilise geospatial information of ‘intelligent’ maps and geospatial data as the foundation, on which they operate the C4ISTAR solutions to make effective command and control decisions, be it in strategic, operational or tactical context. At tactical level, soldiers upwards to their commanders at section, platoon, company and battalion level, are inter-connected and together see the common operations picture (COP) on a near real-time basis based on the geospatial backbone.

Such multiple tactical battlefield management systems at battalion level are further connected at the operational level to the higher level battlefield management system being operated by headquarters at brigade, division and corps. At strategic level of corps, command and army headquarters use geospatial intelligence system in a networked environment where a comprehensive and complete view of the theatre of operations is made available for strategising and monitoring the operations.

Network-centric warfare is increasingly used today. How do you see the changing way wars are fought and what is in stor e for the future?
Yes, the era of network-centric warfare is here with its precision sensors, battlefield management systems and effectors. For example, during the war in Iraq, high precision technologies were deployed to minimise civilian casualty. Military commanders are increasingly moving towards integrated C4ISTAR solutions to make effective command and control decisions in the ‘digital’ battlefield environment.

All nations are currently on the road to digitisation, transforming their armed forces into a coherent and synchronised organisation, enhancing the speed of sensing, decision making and proactive action, beating the enemies in ‘observe orient decide and act’ – OODA cycle. Today, it is possible to network digitised platforms and soldiers into a coherent sensor-command-shooter grid, with sensors, weapon systems, decision makers and shooters/actors connected with state-of-the-art communication systems.

Apart from the conventional war, anti-nationals like Naxals are creating new and asymmetrical threats. Low intensity conflicts between terrorists/anti-national elements are growing all over the world and India is one of the worst affected countries. Beyond conventional methods of engagement, security forces across the world are now required to actively counter terrorism, insurgency and other such homeland security operations. C4ISTAR systems configured to these specific needs can bring efficiency to sensor-to-action chain.

Rolta’s Geosptial Fusion offers a decision support system for security agencies. Can you elaborate on its functionality?
Security is more than protection from terrorist attacks. It means protecting life, property and critical infrastructure from any disaster. Rolta’s Geospatial Fusion enables multi-source data collection, integration, analysis and dissemination (data fusion from disparate databases) and supports over 200 non-geospatial database types. This solution provides the power to bring information together from various systems including legacy systems. Automated systems of various agencies like police, national and State intelligence agencies, municipal corporations, transport departments and hospitals can all be brought on to the same platform to provide a common operational picture for decision making and action.

Automation and real-time imaging analysis is the need of the hour for rapid mapping and feature extraction, change detection and assisted target detection and recognition. Is India catching up with these latest technological requirements?
Absolutely. India is very much catching up with these technologies. India’s fast growing economy has led to an increased spending in defence and homeland security segments, year on year. A quantum jump is expected in defence CAPEX spending, which is likely to touch 50 billion USD over the next few years.

The need for rapid modernisation of the army, navy and air force has resulted in the government allocating a large budget for the year 2010-22 to Rs 147, 344 crore with about 40% allocated for capital acquisition budget – for new acquisitions, clearly indicating the trend towards modernising the defence sector.

India is investing in systems for multi-sensor data fusion, automated change detection including feature extraction, mission planning, GIS and MIS info exchange and image exploitation. Armed forces have initiated several modernisation programmes including soldier systems, radios, GPS tracking, night vision goggles, night vision weapon sights, automated minefield recording systems and thermal imaging fire control systems for tanks.
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Besides, key projects are also being launched in maritime safety and security space for coastal surveillance by coastal police, national AIS by DG light house and light ships, vessel traffic management systems by various ports, night navigator system for high speed boat by Coast Guard, amongst others. Rolta is ready with solutions to address these modernisation needs with state-of-the-art technology, brought in from its foreign collaborators and its own R&D facility. With 20 years of domain knowledge in the country, Rolta has further customised and modified the solutions to enhance its usability in the Indian context. There is a tremendous momentum among internal security agencies after 26/11 to lap up latest technologies. Many States like Rajasthan J&K, Maharashtra are using our homeland security solutions. The real effect of a homogenous system will be felt only after some more time though.

GIS Development is launching a dedicated publication for defence and internal security community.
Defence and homeland security are the key for the survival of a nation, more so for a country like India, which is developing at a fast pace. Today, India’s GDP has touched 1 trillion USD after 63 years of independence. But in the next 10 years, India’s GDP is expected to touch 3-4 trillion and 5-6 trillion in 15 years. This is possible only when the country remains on a peaceful path of growth. GeoIntelligence magazine comes at the right time to create more awareness about the use of geospatial technologies in defence and internal security aspects. This is a laudable step.
 
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PIB Press Release

Tactical Battlefield Communication System to be in Place Soon, Says Pallam Raju


The Minister of State for Defence Shri MM Pallam Raju has said that the Indian Armed Forces will soon have in place a Tactical Battlefield Communication system. Inaugurating a two day seminar on "Converged Infostructure for a Transformed Force" here today, Shri Pallam Raju said that the Tactical Communication System (TCS), a project of the Corps of Signals, is well on the way after some initial delays.

Calling upon the private industry to partner with the Armed Forces, Shri Pallam Raju said that the TCS "is being progressed under the 'Make' category and provides the Indian Industry an excellent opportunity to seek its share of defence production". Underling that the defence equipment manufacturers and development agencies cannot leave the mission critical performance to chance, he asked the industry to set up state-of-the-art testing facility for quality assurance.

In view of the distinct strength of the Indian I&CT industry, Shri Pallam Raju said that the Armed Forces expect "substantial participation by the private sector". "In order to synergise and enhance the national competence in producing globally competitive defence equipment without time and cost overruns, the government is exploring all viable initiatives such as formation of consortia, joint ventures and public-private partnerships", he said.

In his address, the Chief of Army Staff General VK Singh said that the battle space is slowly but surely shifting from Platform Centric to Network Centric Warfare. "A strong, robust and secure information grid is therefore a prerequisite for this. The information grid must always act as a force multiplier and an enabler for the soldier as well as the Commander in the battlefield", he said.

The Army Chief said that the drive towards network-centricity began a few years ago and has already been operationalised. "Once equipped, I see our Armed Forces increasingly harnessing the power of data and voice networks to blend decision makers, sensors and shooters into an efficient and lethal mix of flexible, coordinated and a fast moving combat force that uses information as a weapon to strike with pinpoint precision, and bring unprecedented firepower to bear with a much smaller strength in numbers", he said.

The Signal Officer-in-Chief Lt Gen P Mohapatra cautioned that the newer technologies also increased vulnerabilities of the forces. "Security must therefore remain a key central issue to the transformation process", he said.

The proceedings of the two-day seminar are being webcast live on the Army Intranet and video conference with the Command Headquarters. The seminar also showcases the rich history of the Corps of Signals, which is celebrating its Centenary this year.
 
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@rpraveenkum

Thankyou sir for your valuable contributions to this thread.

As mentioned in almost all your posts these systems are underdevelopment and part of India's program to upgrade the armed forces.

The reasons for this recent increase in development have also been discussed.

As mentioned India was able to do almost nothing after the terrorist attacks in the Indian Parliment and Mumbai. This not only shows helplessness but also encourages further such attacks by the perpatrators. This for India which is seeking Super power status is clearly unacceptable.

The more Indian posts I read on this thread the more I am convinced that India is trying to acquire the capability to inflict pain and punishment on Pakistan if and when required.
 
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@silent hawk..
lets keep motivations for doing whatever off the thread..We barely saved it from going down the drain.

What remains to be seen.. is at what timeframe will these systems be operational.. both in the PAF and IAF...and since it is prudent for most military projects to start working on the replacement the minute the system goes operational..The final tally will depend on resources..and developers.
 
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@silent hawk..
lets keep motivations for doing whatever off the thread..We barely saved it from going down the drain.

What remains to be seen.. is at what timeframe will these systems be operational.. both in the PAF and IAF...and since it is prudent for most military projects to start working on the replacement the minute the system goes operational..The final tally will depend on resources..and developers.

I totally agree with you sir. Unfortunately most of the organizations in Pakistan are at the moment focused on developing their own systems and are completely neglecting the area of resource especially human resource development.

Infact at present they cannot even maintain the few resources who through primarily their own endeavors have gained some knowledge of this domain.

That is why your organization in important because you are developing systems and the resources required in future. That is the difference of putting Engineers in charge.

As far as the project is concerned Allah willing it shall be a great success.
 
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The Indians are very fast at putting their achievents on the net. Then all of them start reffering to unauthentic sites such as Wikipedia to praise there nation.(please look at the wikipedia disclaimer)

Pakistan has done so much in this field yet so little of it has been made available to Public. One of the reasons for this obviously is that in Pakistan the armed forces are heavily involved in development of the systems and they want to keep things secret.

I think that it is time that Pakistan should share it's achievements in the field of C4I. It could be source of pride just like the JF-17.
 
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The Indians are very fast at putting their achievents on the net. Then all of them start reffering to unauthentic sites such as Wikipedia to praise there nation.(please look at the wikipedia disclaimer)

Pakistan has done so much in this field yet so little of it has been made available to Public. One of the reasons for this obviously is that in Pakistan the armed forces are heavily involved in development of the systems and they want to keep things secret.

I think that it is time that Pakistan should share it's achievements in the field of C4I. It could be source of pride just like the JF-17
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I would rather prefer Pakistan kept its capabilities hidden, best to keep the enemy guessing than showcasing your capabilities. C4I is not the only achievement of PAF, you would be surprised what other hidden capabilities PAF has in store for the enemy but obviously i am not at the liberty of discussing these with you on the open forum. PAF is fully a net centric organization now, lots of resources has been spent on making this happen. PA will be net centric in the next 2-3 years, their is a reason why PA right now is hiring many operators for this field. Some of my friends whom were computer geniuses were hired by PA and they are already working hard in this field. Overall, i would say Pakistan's Armed Forces as a whole are very secret organizations, they keep a lot of their capabilities hidden from the outside world, and in my opinion that is the best policy to move forward. Hardware or Software purchased from Western Nations is difficult to hide but Pakistan has purchased a lot of systems from Ukraine, South Africa, Brazil, Czech and especially China that has been kept under the radar. When your enemy is 10 times bigger than you, the element of surprise goes a long way in deterring her aggression.
 
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A balance needs to be maintained.

Disclosing things reduces the element of surprise.

Keeping things secret reduces public opinion which is important for a state like India. Now some Indians know about Pakistans advanced C4I system they may tell others. It helps them understand why their government choose not to attack Pakistan in 2008.

Like so many things this is a typical LQR problem. The right balance is required between disclosing and keeping things secret. At present I feel we are being too secretive.
 
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Tactical Battlefield Communication System for Indian Armed Forces

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The Minister of State for Defence Shri MM Pallam Raju has said that the Indian Armed Forces will soon have in place a Tactical Battlefield Communication system. Inaugurating a two day seminar on "Converged Info-structure for a Transformed Force" here today, Shri Pallam Raju said that the Tactical Communication System (TCS), a project of the Corps of Signals, is well on the way after some initial delays.

Calling upon the private industry to partner with the Armed Forces, Shri Pallam Raju said that the TCS "is being progressed under the 'Make' category and provides the Indian Industry an excellent opportunity to seek its share of defence production". Underling that the defence equipment manufacturers and development agencies cannot leave the mission critical performance to chance, he asked the industry to set up state-of-the-art testing facility for quality assurance.

In view of the distinct strength of the Indian I&CT industry, Shri Pallam Raju said that the Armed Forces expect "substantial participation by the private sector". "In order to synergise and enhance the national competence in producing globally competitive defence equipment without time and cost overruns, the government is exploring all viable initiatives such as formation of consortia, joint ventures and public-private partnerships", he said.

In his address, the Chief of Army Staff General V.K. Singh said that the battle space is slowly but surely shifting from Platform Centric to Network Centric Warfare. "A strong, robust and secure information grid is therefore a prerequisite for this. The information grid must always act as a force multiplier and an enabler for the soldier as well as the Commander in the battlefield", he said.

The Army Chief said that the drive towards network-centricity began a few years ago and has already been operationalised. "Once equipped, I see our Armed Forces increasingly harnessing the power of data and voice networks to blend decision makers, sensors and shooters into an efficient and lethal mix of flexible, coordinated and a fast moving combat force that uses information as a weapon to strike with pinpoint precision, and bring unprecedented firepower to bear with a much smaller strength in numbers", he said.

The Signal Officer-in-Chief Lt Gen P Mohapatra cautioned that the newer technologies also increased vulnerabilities of the forces. "Security must therefore remain a key central issue to the transformation process", he said.

The proceedings of the two-day seminar are being web-cast live on the Army Intranet and video conference with the Command Headquarters. The seminar also showcases the rich history of the Corps of Signals, which is celebrating its Centenary this year.

Tactical Battlefield Communication System for Indian Armed Forces | India Defence
 
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If anyone has any more info on Pakistani systems please post. Soon I shall be analyzing the Pakistani C4I systems.
 
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