PAF Vs IAF Command and Control Systems

[silent hawk]

proved the bolded part.....apart from that how much percentage you think the classified information is available to everyone to see ?? this is nothing but apne muh miya mithdoo banana...

what about the defence budget that india have along with human resources and technology that we have the access, you didn't respond to these obvious facts...

and also you didn't provide the concrete proofs..

let discuss in a more pragmatics way rather than a fanboyish approach.

Sure ,please start the pragmatic discussion..

 

[SEAL]

proved the bolded part.....apart from that how much percentage you think the classified information is available to everyone to see ?? this is nothing but apne muh miya mithdoo banana...

what about the defence budget that india have along with human resources and technology that we have the access, you didn't respond to these obvious facts...

and also you didn't provide the concrete proofs..

let discuss in a more pragmatics way rather than a fanboyish approach.

You have anything to prove him wrong? If not than instead of posting useless stuff enjoy the discussion.

 

[Rafi]

The Sakb and the Al Khalid and Al Zarrar main battle tanks are all being equipped with the Integrated Battlefield Management System (IBMS), a system to track friendly and enemy positions similar to the US Army's Blue Force Tracking.

The IBMS uses VHF and UHF communications and each vehicle can act as a relay. The integration of the systems is already under way and is scheduled to be finished by December, said Mohsin Rahmatullah, director of business development, which developed the IBMS together with HIT. The hardware from the system may be exported, most likely first to the United Arab Emirates, Rahmatullah said.
'HIT's vehicle showcase' (JDW 25 September 2002)

 

[Rafi]

C4I AND AIR DEFENCE AUTOMATION SYSTEM


Category : C4-1 Air Defence Automation System
Manufacturer : GIDS
Detail

The Air Defense Automation System has been indigenously developed by Air Weapons Complex (AERO). The designed system collects information from all Air Defense sensors and radars, processes it, converts it into a standard format and displays it in real time at any desired location. The system architecture is independent of space, time and communication medium. The Command and Control System provides an environment for multiple functions to operate on the same hardware platform and share data via a Local Area Network (LAN) or a Wide Area Network (WAN).
The System allows the Commander to a view a fused picture of his complete Area Of Responsibility (AOR). It is a compilation of data from all Air Defense sensors, combined with battle plan, projection overlays, and any other data that is available, including:
current locations and planned movement operations of ground, maritime and air units of friendly, neutral, and enemy forces generated features and projections (e.g. battle plans, operating zones).
Our engineers work closely with the customers to provide them customized, open, flexible and cost-effective solutions to their Air Defense Automation System requirements. AERO provides comprehensive Integrated Logistic Support (ILS) throughout the life cycle of the System.
SALIENT FEATURES

Seamless integration with C4I systems.
Network centric design allowing self-forming and self-healing network (user can enter or leave the network dynamically).
Complete Air Situation Display (ASD).
User friendly and compact Graphical User Interface.
The System can be operated in different modes (Operator, Commander etc.)
Personnel training under simulation mode.
Scenario recording and replay facility.
Communication with lower and higher command centers.
Advanced GIS support.
Multiple layer architecture (Display of multiple maps).
Map features e.g. map loading, map editing, map color changing etc.
Preset and programmable zoom buttons.
Display of Latitude/Longitude, Georef and Grid System.
True battlefield scenario support.
Display of track history during interception operation. User can switch on/off history of track.
Track symbol indicating its category.
Track type indicates the threat status of the track.
Tactical interception aids available.
Radar on/off option.
Aircraft Plot Suppression Area (PSA).
Non-automatic track initiation area.
Weapons (SAM/AAA) status monitoring.
Use of commercial technologies.
Ergonomically designed Command and Control Console.
Easy maintenance.
MULTIPLE RADAR TRACKER
Multi Radar Tracker (MRT) uses state-of-the-art tracking algorithms to detect and track all modern, fast and highly maneuverable targets, hence forming an integral part of C4I and Air Defense Automation System. It works effectively in high clutter environments and displays real time information for any command & control function. It can handle 2000 plots and 1000 tracks. This capability can be further enhanced due to scalable design of the Tracker. It can be integrated simultaneously with homogenous and heterogeneous radars.
The Tracker automatically initiates and reliably tracks maneuvering targets. The tracks initiation and maneuvering detection is enhanced with multiple sensors. The trackers update the display information at a high rate to form a true, accurate and complete Air Situation Display (ASD) for all air-defense and air-traffic control operations.

The main functions of the MRT algorithm include:

Inferring the presence of valid targets from a series of plots and tracks received from different radars.
Calculating optimally by the sensor the true trajectories of the target in presence of uncertainties imposed by the sensor as well as aircraft dynamics.
Recognizing and rejecting false targets.
Successfully tracking and predicting the optimal estimates of the target in the presence of clutter and false alarms.
Displaying target tracking information.
Forming correct association between tracks and observation from radars in different environment.
Successfully tracking the target during extreme conditions of fast maneuver, formations, miss detection, cross-overs etc.
Fusing information from multiple radars of different ranges, resolutions, scan times and other radars parameters.
Analyzing the influence of sensor modeling, radar processor design, and change of other system parameters on algorithm design.

 

[Rafi]

Pakistan Army's Integrated Battlefield Management System, that is employed in all Tanks and APC's as well as other Armoured Vehicles, plans are to introduce a version to the individual squad, and/or soldier level

 

[Rafi]

After successful launching and operation of BADR series of experimental satellites (BADR-1 and BADR-B) in the 1990s and early 2000s, SUPARCO now plans to launch high resolution remote sensing satellite system (RSSS) to meet the national and international user requirements in the field of satellite imagery.

A feasibility and system definition study was concluded in January 2007 which recommended the launch of a constellation of Optical and Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) Satellites to ensure that the domestic and international user requirements are competitively met. In this respect the RFP for RSSS consultancy services was launched in July 2007. Launch of RFP for the manufacturing of the satellite is planned in the third quarter of year 2008.

RSSS is planned to be a progressive and sustainable program. Initially, SUPARCO plans to launch an optical satellite with payload of 2.5 meter PAN in 700 km sun-synchronous orbit by the end of year 2011, which will be followed by a series of optical and SAR satellites in future. Necessary infrastructure for ground control and image reception and processing is also planned to be setup.

 

[Rafi]

By the end of 2011, Pakistan plans to replace PAKSAT-1 with a new communication satellite PAKSAT-1R which will be manufactured exclusively for Pakistan. The satellite will support all conventional and modern Fixed Satellite Service (FSS) applications. The satellite will have a total of up to 30 transponders: 18 in Ku-band and 12 in C-band. To ensure high degree of reliability / availability of the system, two (02) fully redundant Satellite Ground Control Stations (SGCS) would be established in Karachi and Lahore, one to act as the Main and the other as Backup respectively.

 

[Rafi]

Pakistani AWAC's induction

 

[Rafi]

YouTube - Pakistan's Saab Erieye 2000 AEW&C Aircraft

 

[rockstarIN]

1) Most of us posting here are civilians, not seen any Military pofessional from India, there are some Pakistan, so ofcourse we do not have a level field. Given that I think some of my fellow countrymen were doing awesome job, I am very proud of them

2) Even if we had someone who knew this info, I do not think he will post it over the forum.

3) India has more money and more access to technology, so that way they should definatly have better system. One problem we have is buerocracy, and lack of focus or interest on defense purchase. This has changed after 26/11 and Kargil. So I will continue to believe we will have systems at par or better than your no matter what you post, now carry on.

You are right, most of the people are civilians as harly we know much of the systems.

India has more likely to have access the technology.

The reasons are

-ISRO suppose to prepare an urgency-satellite plan, if in case our military/communication satillite was shot down, there should be continuous communications.

-Partnership in Glonass, MKIs are fitted with both Glonass+GPS, in case US switch off GPS as they did in Balkan war.

-GPS Aided Geo Augmented Navigation or GPS and Geo Augmented Navigation system (GAGAN) is a planned implementation of a regional Satellite Based Augmentation System (SBAS) by the Indian government

-IRNSS, own satellite navigation system

-Our Chandryan mission, we were able to send our unmanned vehicle to moon.

With all the above achievements/w.i.p, it is very hard to believe that India dont have world class communications systems.

Thx

 

[Rafi]

rockstar so basically you are guessing, check the above posts Pakistan with evidence is clearly ahead of india in net centric warfare.

 

[Rafi]

ECOM SQPS is a multiplier that a commando needs. The success of a squad behind enemy lines may just depend on this. After a para-drop from the plane inside hostile territory you must know where you and your squad are vis-à-vis the objective. SQPS is a personnel electronic map positioning system, the commander wears it on his belt. On a small portable color screen, he can view the map of the area, his objective, his own position and that of his entire squad. A miniature GPS sensor on the shoulder of every commando establishes his position, which is electronically transmitted to the commander and displayed on hand computer via the squad radio. The entire mission is programmed in the map on the commanders hand computer overlaid on the geographic map of the area. Being evaluated by the SSG, SSGN, SSW, SOTF and will then be introduced to regular infantry formations.

 

[rockstarIN]

rockstar so basically you are guessing, check the above posts Pakistan with evidence is clearly ahead of india in net centric warfare.

Just go again thru my post and just try to think logically, dont you think our strategists are less capable? look at our air force whatever we have, we got the best from the world(except, f-22) rest all good machines are competing to have IAF colours. And we learned alot from Gulf wars which we were closely monitoring. We started large scale procurement of BVRs and MKIs after that only.

Also, most of the points made this thread too were based on assumptions only...

 

[Rafi]

Just go again thru my post and just try to think logically, dont you think our strategists are less capable? look at our air force whatever we have, we got the best from the world(except, f-22) rest all good machines are competing to have IAF colours. And we learned alot from Gulf wars which we were closely monitoring. We started large scale procurement of BVRs and MKIs after that only.

Also, most of the points made this thread too were based on assumptions only...

We are streets ahead of india in networked warfare, this has been proven through open sources Your claim that your strategists are aware holds no water, and regarding BVR we have caught you up, and with the AMRAAM 120-C5 have the most advanced BVR missile in the subcontinent.

 

[Rafi]

Some people from the eastern entity are having to learn to swallow a bitter pill, in that the Pakistani Armed Forces hold a clear and present edge in C4I.

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