PAF to get hi-tech Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System

[razgriz19]

I am also not clearly seeing the parts where the new technology is visible for targeting and cuing and engagement interfaces

You must understand that in majority of HMDS systems is not visibly different from ordinary helmets or please prove if I am wrong.

Different HMDS systems are in service with IAF

Su-30 MKI &MiG-21 "Bison" uses SURA-K HMS, though with the oncoming upgrades,Su-30 MKI will be getting Topsight Helmet sights.

MiG-29 uses Shchel-3UM HMS,and the upgraded variants (some planes have been already upgraded) will be getting Topsight systems.

Jaguars have MK3C/4A HMS,will be upgraded probably with Topsight.

Mirage-2000s and MiG-27s have no Helmet Sights,and Mirage-2000s are being upgraded with Topsight.

Tejas has DASH systems.



With all due respect sir,even though Tejas is yet to be fully operational,it has been inducted to IAF and is a part of IAF.Also it has displayed its Helmet mounted sight capability.


It was you who dragged India into the discussion through post #63,falsely stating that IAF is not equipped with helmet mounted sighting capabilites.

The Boeing Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS) combines a magnetic head tracker with a display projected onto the pilot's visor, giving the pilot a targeting device that can be used to aim sensors and weapons wherever the pilot is looking.

With JHMCS, the pilot can aim the radar, air-to-air missiles, infrared sensors and air-to-ground weapons merely by observing the target through the helmet's visor and pressing a switch on the flight controls. Additionally, the pilot can view any desired data (airspeed, altitude, target range, etc.) while "heads-up," eliminating the need to look into the cockpit during visual air combat.

The High Off-Boresight Seeker (HOBS) consists of the new JHMCS and the new AIM-9X high off-boresight air-to-air missile.

Boeing: Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System

The PAF pilot in the F-16 is wearing this JHMCS.

 

[Mav3rick]

Please stop playing games!! War is serious business! Before you get the Su-30 or SU 35s in your JHMCS, you would have been roasted with their BVR weapons like the K-100/R-100 and Novator's R-172S-1 AAM-L available with a booster pack to extend its considerable range performance to 400 km.

Cheers!

Playing your own pathetic game while posting advice to others to not do the same? While your K-100's would be fired in a salvo of 2-4 missiles, the adversary will fire a single AIM-120C. And while the K-100's would miss, as most Russian BVR missiles do, the AIM-120C will hit you with deadly precision, as it does. At the end of the day, it will be the MKI that gets roasted.....American style!!

 

[Manticore]

Aviation Helmet Designs & Helmet Mounted Systems | Page 5

 

[OrionHunter]

Playing your own pathetic game while posting advice to others to not do the same? While your K-100's would be fired in a salvo of 2-4 missiles, the adversary will fire a single AIM-120C. And while the K-100's would miss, as most Russian BVR missiles do, the AIM-120C will hit you with deadly precision, as it does. At the end of the day, it will be the MKI that gets roasted.....American style!!

Nuff said!

 

[RAMPAGE]

First.. thats not the JHCMS in your picture..
And second.. yes.. all F-16's used by PAF will have this capability.

Do they? (serious question)

 

[Dazzler]

Do they? (serious question)

Yes they do, all the fleet including ADF, BLK 52 and MLUs

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Has PAF decided on a HMDS for JF17 program?

 

[Super Falcon]

And people say here pak dont have money im shocked

 

[Quwa]

Has PAF decided on a HMDS for JF17 program?

Not yet, at least publicly.

 

[Last Samuri]

IM SHOCKED

That there is no HMS OR HMD currently in the JF17 which is currently in service with FOC 3 squadrons.

Tejas is still in IOC phase and already boasts the ELBIT DASH 5 HMS

Really surprised at the corners being cut by PAF

 

[Mughal-Prince]

BF3: i5 2500k @4.20Ghz & GTX 580 1,5GB (Stock) + Ultra - YouTube
from 9:00 u can see the real use of JHMCS use against SU 35 or Su 30 .....

Wah cheetay great from 9:50 onwards

 

[Shabi1]

IM SHOCKED

That there is no HMS OR HMD currently in the JF17 which is currently in service with FOC 3 squadrons.

Tejas is still in IOC phase and already boasts the ELBIT DASH 5 HMS

Really surprised at the corners being cut by PAF

PL-5E currently carried by JF-17s dont need HMS, it's off bore sight lock is 25 degrees (40 degrees after launch) which is within JF-17s HUD view angle. PAF is currently evaluating it's options for an advanced SRM missiles and the A-Dartar with 180 Degree off bore sight engagement has long rumored to be a project in which Pakistan has a stake in. An HMS integration will probably accompany this missile once it gets fully operational.

The A-Dartar has almost the same weight as the PL-5E. But longer range and the 180 degree off bore sight targeting means can engage even targets at rear of the launch aircraft.

The current Chinese SRM ready for HMS is PL-9C but it is alot heavier than PL-5E and has 40 degree off bore sight (before and after launch) yet slightly longer range.

PL-10 China's A-Dartar equivalent is still classified so no information when it will be ready.

So a very good decision to hold out on the HMS integration.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

IM SHOCKED

That there is no HMS OR HMD currently in the JF17 which is currently in service with FOC 3 squadrons.

Tejas is still in IOC phase and already boasts the ELBIT DASH 5 HMS

Really surprised at the corners being cut by PAF

Nothing to shocked about. In a prototype aircraft like LCAS, you can install anything. You might as well make it a space shuttle. Pakistan's program seems to be in batches, and more realistic with their own operational requirement.

I agree that as soon the decision on a TVC SRM is done, HMS or HMCS would be become a priority. What are the options on the market? For batch 3, PAF must be looking at non-Chinese options. Any update on targeting pods?

 

[Quwa]

HMD/S and HOBS WVRAAM are going to come with Block-III. At present the A-Darter seems to be the lead runner for the WVRAAM requirement, but we don't know anything about the HMD/S. In 2006-2007 it seemed that the PAF was experimenting with the Denel Archer, but I think a lack of HOBS WVRAAM (even the 4th gen MAA-1B is still under development) and exposure to the JHMCS on F-16 got it to rethink the program and conclude that it'll need more time in order to give JF-17 an HMD/S system that adds a lot of value. I reckon the PAF's final solution will be something developed in-house with foreign help, and be similar in concept to the Thales Scorpion, I.e a modular kit that can be adapted to the HGU-55/P, the standard issue helmet in the PAF.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

For the Block III, PAF i

HMD/S and HOBS WVRAAM are going to come with Block-III. At present the A-Darter seems to be the lead runner for the WVRAAM requirement, but we don't know anything about the HMD/S. In 2006-2007 it seemed that the PAF was experimenting with the Denel Archer, but I think a lack of HOBS WVRAAM (even the 4th gen MAA-1B is still under development) and exposure to the JHMCS on F-16 got it to rethink the program and conclude that it'll need more time in order to give JF-17 an HMD/S system that adds a lot of value. I reckon the PAF's final solution will be something developed in-house with foreign help, and be similar in concept to the Thales Scorpion, I.e a modular kit that can be adapted to the HGU-55/P, the standard issue helmet in the PAF.

A-Darter is most likely to be procured. For Block III, PAF is less likely to go for a development option, and would prefer already already developed solutions such as ones in Europe, whichever becomes available to them. Modular kit may not be the criteria since the HMDS needs to be latest tech and beyond the capability of JHMCS, already realised on Block 52 and MLU. Whatever PAF gets will be state of the art, keeping in line with the Block III desires to have western avionics (deferred from block II)