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PAF shows interest in YAK-130

Turkish Ts have same issue. They grounded Ts in 2000. Dragonfly still in service in Central America I think for COIN.


PAF even after commissioning JF17 is some how in uncomfortable zone. It feels JF17 is not giving expected outcome.

The JF-17 is good but its a work horse aircraft, there is nothing lacking but it can't be the only aircraft doing everything. You always need to have a higher end air superiority fighter (more range and higher climb rate) besides a workhorse for the interceptor/CAP role. High end specs mean more maintenance down time and expensive to operate hence the need for a multirole supplementing aircraft with high availability and ease of spares. We had just a dozen F-104s in 1965 and they were the terror in the subcontinent skies, had a huge pyschological impact. They were difficult to maintain so were used only when needed but their impact was evident hugely.
US and Israel have the F-15 and F-16 combo. PAF's previous workhorse was the Mirage and F-16 was it's high end.
 
L-15 seems to have better specs and is cheaper than the Yak-130. But with the presence of K-8P and upcoming dual seat JF-17 doesnt seem to be very important.

My guess is PAF is just window shopping. My own opinion is they regularly evaluate and show interest in new platforms just to give feedback to the Chinese so they can improve their own products and make them better for Pakistani procurement.
Sshhhh...everybody is listening
 
Please elucidate.
That's what i feel, JF17 is good plane, but comparing weapons with rival countries is totally different situation. Nodoubt, JF17 is using in surgical strikes in FATA only during day time, still not ready for night ops. Plus , JFT still has undefined role in PAF. How good it will be against any Indian front line aircraft, incase of intrusion. I cam to conclusion PAF need a good combat aircraft to fill its huge frontline gap.....
 
That's what i feel, JF17 is good plane, but comparing weapons with rival countries is totally different situation. Nodoubt, JF17 is using in surgical strikes in FATA only during day time, still not ready for night ops. Plus , JFT still has undefined role in PAF. How good it will be against any Indian front line aircraft, incase of intrusion. I cam to conclusion PAF need a good combat aircraft to fill its huge frontline gap.....


Haider,

Thank you for your post-----. So---I was correct when I stated many a years ago that it would take at least 8----10 years to integrate this new aircraft into service-----.

And you are correct---this aircraft does not fulfill the NOW need of the Pakistan's defense----.
 
Haider,

Thank you for your post-----. So---I was correct when I stated many a years ago that it would take at least 8----10 years to integrate this new aircraft into service-----.

And you are correct---this aircraft does not fulfill the NOW need of the Pakistan's defense----.
But this is old Mig33 design, which seems to have aerodynamic flaws to become future front line fighter...its all develop and integrate, if PAF setup R&D for design and enhancement of its present and future fleet....my 2cents..
 
Pakistan and Yak-130? Not likely

By Bilal Khan

There has been quite a bit of discussion on a recent news piece claiming that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is interested in the Yakovlev Yak-130 lead-in-fighter-trainer (LIFT) aircraft. It is no secret that LIFT aircraft such as the Yak-130, KAI/Lockheed Martin T-50, Alenia Aermacchi M-346 and Hongdu L-15 are catching on with a number of air forces to bridge pilots from basic and intermediate training to converting on their respective air force’s fighter platforms.

In a May 2015 interview with AirForces Monthly, Air Chief Marshal (ACM) Sohail Aman discussed that the PAF did in fact look at various LIFT options, namely the South Korean T-50 (developed by Korea Aerospace Industries and Lockheed Martin) and Chinese Hongdu L-15. Although understanding the inherent value of such systems in preparing new pilots for advanced multi-role platforms, ACM Aman said, “but the difficulty is many like the KAI T-50 and Hongdu L-15, with their afterburners, are like fighters, and will cost around the same as an F-16. We cannot afford that now.”[1]

These LIFT aircraft are expensive. In fact, they are basically lightweight fighters not unlike the JF-17 currently in use with the PAF! For reference, the KAI/LM T-50 costs around $25 million per unit. So it begs the question, why would the likes of the Royal Air Force or United States Air Force go for such systems? Well, one just needs to look at the reality that the RAF and USAF operate expensive platforms, acquiring systems such as the T-50 would be genuinely cost effective and safe. There is an actual cost difference between operating a Eurofighter Typhoon and KAI T-50. With this in mind, it would be disingenuous to extrapolate the realities of the RAF upon the PAF.

Yes, the JF-17 Block-3 onwards will in all likelihood end up being fairly expensive platform in of itself (Active Electronically Scanned Array radars do not come cheap!), but the actual JF-17 platform (stripped of its various upgrades and changes) is not expensive. In fact, while a dual-seater is slotted to resolve the PAF’s LIFT needs, the PAF could go a few steps further.

The PAF can use the dual-seat JF-17 as a basis for developing an actual LIFT system. This would not be too different from what the U.S did in developing the T-38 Talon, which was based on the Northrop F-5 Tiger II. In the end, a LIFT JF-17 would have complete commonality with the PAF’s JF-17 fighter fleet, thereby eliminating the difficulty of inducting and maintaining an entirely new aircraft type. Moreover, given the fact that the typical PAF fighter trainee would join the fleet on the JF-17, conducting his or her fighter conversion training on a near-identical platform would greatly ease the operational conversion process.

All that said, there may be one variable that could – possibly – steer the PAF to something like the Yak-130, and that is if the Yak-130’s acquisition and operational costs are meaningfully lower than that of a dual-seater JF-17. If the PAF is in fact looking at the Yak-130, then there may be a chance, but like the reports about the PAF looking at the Czech L-159, it is unlikely its interest here will result in anything.

[1] Alan Warnes. “Exclusive Interview with the new Pakistan Air Force Chief. PAF’s Cutting Edge Grows.” AirForces Monthly. June 2015 #327. Page 68.



I totally agree with this piece.
 
This is a expensive trainer. I don't think we will purchase it because we have other alternatives too. There is no reason of this trainer in our fleet unless we get it on soft loans or they offer us something on table what is difficult to reject
 
This is a expensive trainer. I don't think we will purchase it because we have other alternatives too. There is no reason of this trainer in our fleet unless we get it on soft loans or they offer us something on table what is difficult to reject
you're father is not purchasing it people of Pakistan are purchasing it you have not positive things to say I don't know why you are in PDF . . . .
 
The only thing the L-15 or Yak-130 could have over JF-17 is lower operational and maintenance costs, but I doubt it.
 
Pakistan might be interested in advance technology from Russia (SAM /Engine technology), and Russia wants Pakistan to purchase Yak-130 and Mi-35/28 in order to release the tech. Russia is desperate since there is banned on Russia from USA and EU.
 
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