I think no of aircraft is mentioned in op. You can visit Aeuronaut blog otherwise.
F 86 was obsolete in 1971 and only compareable to hunters.
In that dogfight, f86 shot down IAF mig 21 and compared to mig 21 f86 was definately obsolete.
So pointing to facts like "Pakistan lost the war- badly" is trying to "salvage some pride"? That's some pretty crazy logic there but whatever floats your boat.While the discussion surrounds the air war aspect, some idiots just to salvage some pride will drag in the overall war scenario. Anyways, here's a classic image of how the PAF mainly equipped with obsolete F-86 Sabres gave the IAF a bloody nose. The MiG-21, in 1971 was a prime fighter, here it's been shot down by the humble Sabre.
Yes and by your logic a ww2 spitfire can also down a mig 21 and is not obsolete in a dogfight with it. As for Singh sahab pvc, no doubt he put up a brave fight but all of our f86's delivered the munitions on the runway and got away with it and his plane was also destroyed. Not a scratch was suffered by paf in that attack and the loses were on IAF.
Tell me something, when we talk about say WW-2, is the discussion confined to Hiroshima and Nagasaki or there are other aspects to it..... talk about 1971 war and the Indian buck stops on either Longewala or the fall of Dacca.
The disparity between a Spitfire and a MiG-21 and a Sabre and MiG-21 are rather more stark wouldn't you say?
AFAIK the F/O was able to shoot down 1 F-86 and damage a second was he not?
A fair point, however how often do we (in the West or elsewhere) praise the individual actions of Axis officers in specific missions/battles? It is about the overall war effort and that narrative.
I made a point as per your flawed logic. Check the specs of mig 21 and f86 and then come back. As for your other claim, it is just ridiculous, name the pilot he shot down. The fact was that our planes completed their mission before Singh came into action. He was shot down. He did not even score a hit on our sabres let alone shot it down. In the West , do we not hear about Nepolean, Erwin Rommel, Yamato, Von meinstein, talk about air aces and tank aces of ww2, The top places are occupied by Germans and are praised. You seem to be playing too much cod.The disparity between a Spitfire and a MiG-21 and a Sabre and MiG-21 are rather more stark wouldn't you say?
AFAIK the F/O was able to shoot down 1 F-86 and damage a second was he not?
A fair point, however how often do we (in the West or elsewhere) praise the individual actions of Axis officers in specific missions/battles? It is about the overall war effort and that narrative.
As they say, "history is written by the victors".
He was sent to fight insurgents who indulged in gorilla warfare he did his best to contain the rebellion. He didn't surrender to the rebels. An Indian soldier can never question our bravery, we choose not to spill our blood for traitors on that particular day.
This is the living example of why i don't like to quote Indians anymore. This is a defense forum but people like you think it's a circus. This comment puts other defense enthusiasts here to shame. I would really like the mods here to devise a clear cut policy about people who just comment for the sake of fun or to start a troll bait.We choose hahahaha . such choice , much wow .
