PAF on the Offensive - 1971 War

[SarthakGanguly]

Indians attacked East Pakistan on 21st November 1971 and the PAF launched it's "preemptive" strikes on 3rd December 1971. A grave mistake by the Pakistani high command for which the country paid darely.

India attacked even before that. But we never planned to strike deep on 21st November. It was a probing operation and mostly to allow Mukti Bahini to enter safely (covering fire). We did not start the war on 21st. We knew Pakistani forces will naively retaliate with everything as a response to a border incursion. The Indian HQ wanted the Pakistani forces to launch the first real incursion. The Indian offensive began after Pakistan Air Force handed us the casus belli. That was 3rd December.

 

[Cherokee]

And look who liked your post? an apartheid inferiority complexed Hindutvawadi Islamophobe. What a shameful tribute to a post.

Make it two .

 

[Psychic]

Get your dates corrected.

They are correct check yourself when did your troops first attack Hilli and Jamalpur. Niazi did a press conference on 21st Nov in Hilli and destroyed Indian tanks were shown to Western media that day.

India attacked even before that. But we never planned to strike deep on 21st November. It was a probing operation and mostly to allow Mukti Bahini to enter safely (covering fire). We did not start the war on 21st. We knew Pakistani forces will naively retaliate with everything as a response to a border incursion. The Indian HQ wanted the Pakistani forces to launch the first real incursion. The Indian offensive began after Pakistan Air Force handed us the casus belli. That was 3rd December.

India wanted to provoke Pakistan or whatever you may be right but the attack on 21st Nov was much bigger in magnitude than the earlier incursions.

 

[anonymus]

They are correct check yourself when did your troops first attack Hilli and Jamalpur. Niazi did a press conference on 21st Nov in Hilli and destroyed Indian tanks were shown to Western media that day.


India wanted to provoke Pakistan or whatever you may be right but the attack on 21st Nov was much bigger in magnitude than the earlier incursions.

Whole world pin start of 1971 war on December 3. What Niazi says does not matter as he was not able to present proof that "India" attacked Pakistan. Mukti Bahini could have destroyed those tanks, or Pakistan may have done it to have a causus-belli for war. Destruction of those thanks, in absence of any destroyed Indian tanks, or Indian POW does not prove that India did it.

20th-century international relations | politics :: China, India, and Pakistan | Encyclopedia Britannica

Note: Link is international, not Indian.

 

[Psychic]

Morale boosting.

That is what this article is all about. It does not even pretend to be a historical account.




You Did! You Lost!!




Get your dates corrected.

Whole world pin start of 1971 war on December 3. What Niazi says does not matter as he was not able to present proof that "India" attacked Pakistan. Mukti Bahini could have destroyed those tanks, or Pakistan may have done it to have a causus-belli for war.

20th-century international relations | politics :: China, India, and Pakistan | Encyclopedia Britannica

Note: Link is international, not Indian.

That is not what Niazi says. Read the account of your own Generals. You launched an attack on Hilli and Jamalpur on 21 st November.

 

[nForce]

That is not what Niazi says. Read the account of your own Generals. You launched an attack on Hilli and Jamalpur on 21 st November.

You have already been provided information regarding when the war was started and who started it. You don't want to believe it, it's alright, let us assume that India was the aggressor in this case. Consider it to be a payback for the unprecedented attacks in 1965.

 

[Psychic]

You have already been provided information regarding when the war was started and who started it. You don't want to believe it, it's alright, let us assume that India was the aggressor in this case. Consider it to be a payback for the unprecedented attacks in 1965.

So there was no attack on 21st Nov just because wikipedia or something says so. Read accounts of your own Generals first. And u have serious problems in understanding a difference between a disputed territory and undisputed one.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

They are correct check yourself when did your troops first attack Hilli and Jamalpur. Niazi did a press conference on 21st Nov in Hilli and destroyed Indian tanks were shown to Western media that day.


India wanted to provoke Pakistan or whatever you may be right but the attack on 21st Nov was much bigger in magnitude than the earlier incursions.

Yes, it was a bigger incursion. But we did not intend to invade except to irritate the Pak High Command.There were no forces allocated for a push into enemy territory. Just upping the stakes. The all out offensives began on the 3rd of December.

 

[nForce]

So there was no attack on 21st Nov just because wikipedia or something says so. Read accounts of your own Generals first. And u have serious problems in understanding a difference between a disputed territory and undisputed one.

Did also happen to check out the sources the Wikipedia refers to ?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And u have serious problems in understanding a difference between a disputed territory and undisputed one.

No. You are wrong there. Even if you consider a place disputed, it does not give you the right to push forces to force an unilateral solution. If you have to try something like that, you must be absolutely sure that you will succeed. In 1965 Pakistani forces failed to seize Akhnoor. And then that itself sealed it's defeat. If one wants to avoid diplomacy, he/she must make sure that the arms will clinch victory. They did not.

 

[Psychic]

No. You are wrong there. Even if you consider a place disputed, it does not give you the right to push forces to force an unilateral solution. If you have to try something like that, you must be absolutely sure that you will succeed. In 1965 Pakistani forces failed to seize Akhnoor. And then that itself sealed it's defeat. If one wants to avoid diplomacy, he/she must make sure that the arms will clinch victory. They did not.

You are right but I am not wrong as well look at my statement, I never said that we should have used force. I personally hold Bhutto responsible for that blunder as forces had to be diverted after India attacked Sialkot.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You are right but I am not wrong as well look at my statement, I never said that we should have used force. I personally hold Bhutto responsible for that blunder as forces had to be diverted after India attacked Sialkot.

Yes, I am not disputing what you say. The incursion on 21st November was a big bait. The Himalayan passes were just closing then. We had to wait just another week. On the other hand if Pakistan had not responded, nothing would have happened in the end. Just 2 months and the Himalayan passes would have melted again. The mobilized forces would have had to be demobilized (huge drain). So our window was narrow and the Pak High Command obliged us.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Can you please break it down into paragraphs. Reading this is getting difficult. Thanks.

surely Pandit jee..

 

[Irfan Baloch]

We should have gone to a full blow war in the western sector to divert the pressure of the eastern side, the moment Indians crossed the borders in east Pakistan. I blame the ball less General Yahiya for not cashing the opportunity to take back Kashmir.

it was tried but eastern side was week so it was never going to work unless we had the threat of nuclear strike or support of super power

 

[GR!FF!N]

Indians attacked East Pakistan on 21st November 1971 and the PAF launched it's "preemptive" strikes on 3rd December 1971. A grave mistake by the Pakistani high command for which the country paid darely.

actually,we didn't "Formally" attack on 21st Nov.we covertly helidropped some 3000 SFF commandos to Demagiri,a border village who started hit and run.by 21st,SFF commandos already entered into Chittagong Hill Tract by crossing the river and engaged PA.

Actually,3rd December's raid was a masterpiece of Indian Policy makers.They actually prepared ground for this attack,using 1971 Indian Airlines hijacking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and following overflight ban.The attack formally started the war,with negligible damage that pre-emptive attack has caused..But India prepared itself for moths about this attack.They prepared themselves for months and waited for this attack.and after formal declaration of war,simply attacked both fronts..

 

[Psychic]

actually,we didn't "Formally" attack on 21st Nov.we covertly helidropped some 3000 SFF commandos to Demagiri,a border village who started hit and run.by 21st,SFF commandos already entered into Chittagong Hill Tract by crossing the river and engaged PA.

Actually,3rd December's raid was a masterpiece of Indian Policy makers.They actually prepared ground for this attack,using 1971 Indian Airlines hijacking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and following overflight ban.The attack formally started the war,with negligible damage that pre-emptive attack has caused..But India prepared itself for moths about this attack.They prepared themselves for months and waited for this attack.and after formal declaration of war,simply attacked both fronts..

Yes and by that logic 1965 war started on 6th Sep 1965.