PAF in Libya during US confrontation

[Bilal Khan 777]

Sir,
How Will you "elaborate" shooting down of US Blackhawk and "inability" of PAF to intercept Them before & after the operation?

The blackhawk crashed due to collision with ground object. It was then demolished with a satchel charge after removal of ew equipment. The aircraft flew to abt knap of the earth, from the western sector which didn't have radar coverage, since the adge is eastern centric. The aircraft were refuelled multiple times on Pakistani soil. On the crash of the helo, caa informed paf of an unknown chopper incident, at which aircraft were scrambled from multiple bases. The helicopter initially came on Low looking radars but were ignored since radar operators look at the edges of detection, not sudden or few pickups in the middle of the scope. At the end, All in the air were asked to stand down, but by that time, US CAP was evident to ADC in Chaklala, having a AEW in the air. The SAR chinook (not with the earlier incursion force) came from Ghazi. There were some high level un-named entities involved, which later become evident. The smart decision NORSEC made and the CAS was not to engage, as this was a two sided honey pot. Either way, whatever they picked up from ABT, they couldn't show to the world. Keep looking for "facts" in doctored publications and movies.

 

[Windjammer]

The blackhawk crashed due to collision with ground object. It was then demolished with a satchel charge after removal of ew equipment. The aircraft flew to abt knap of the earth, from the western sector which didn't have radar coverage, since the adge is eastern centric. The aircraft were refuelled multiple times on Pakistani soil. On the crash of the helo, caa informed paf of an unknown chopper incident, at which aircraft were scrambled from multiple bases. The helicopter initially came on Low looking radars but were ignores since radar operators look at the edges of detection, not sudden or few pickups in the middle of the scope. At the end, All in the air were asked to stand down, but by that time, US CAP was evident to ADC in Chaklala, having a AEW in the air. The SAR chinook (not with the earlier incursion force) came from Ghazi. There were some high level un-named entities involved, which later become evident. The smart decision NORSEC made and the CAS was not to engage, as this was a two sided honey pot. Either way, whatever they picked up from ABT, they couldn't show to the world. Keep looking for "facts" in doctored publications and movies.

Yup, they showed Sadam Hussain from the time he was plucked out of a hole in the ground up until he was swinging from the rope but America's most wanted was just dumped into the sea like a Somalian pirate. The episode is even more dynamic than those WMD in Iraq.

 

[LeGenD]

I don't need media articles to look for facts. You can continue to do so.

So what are the sources of your 'facts'?

B/W You did not even bother to check the articles. One of them is a research paper. This shows that you are not willing to do your homework in a fair manner.

Yup, they showed Sadam Hussain from the time he was plucked out of a hole in the ground up until he was swinging from the rope but America's most wanted was just dumped into the sea like a Somalian pirate. The episode is even more dynamic than those WMD in Iraq.

His wife and children were found in the same compound. What were they doing there?

Al-Qaeda network also confirmed his death in Operation Neptune Spear. In addition, some Pakistani security personnel took samples from the site for DNA testing and results were positive. Seriously, do some reading before jumping to conclusions.

Americans didn't release photos of his corpse to the public because his skull was blown apart during an exchange of fire. In short, his photos were/are too gruesome for public consumption. Nonetheless, his photos were taken and they are stored in the archives of US government. Not just his photos, Americans also conducted DNA testing to ensure that they got the right person.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

So what are the sources of your 'facts'?

B/W You did not even bother to check the articles. One of them is a research paper. This shows that you are not willing to do your homework in a fair manner.


His wife and children were found in the same compound. What were they doing there?

Al-Qaeda network also confirmed his death in Operation Neptune Spear. In addition, some Pakistani security personnel took samples from the site for DNA testing and results were positive. Seriously, do some reading before jumping to conclusions.

Americans didn't release photos of his corpse to the public because his skull was blown apart during an exchange of fire. In short, his photos were/are too gruesome for public consumption. Nonetheless, his photos were taken and they are stored in the archives of US government. Not just his photos, Americans also conducted DNA testing to ensure that they got the right person.

I never post any facts, only opinions. Read my many hundred posts.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

i dont know what qaddafi did in past but what he did in recent past was just too dangerous for the elite who are controlling the world today and it was simply unacceptable. he was punished for standing up against the oppression. now dont mention that he was a dictator, had so many females in his harem but he demanded gold for oil and gold and silver currency for whole of africa. after death of saddam in some arab leaders conference he advised them that one by one all of us will be taken .arab leaders including basshar ul assad were laughing at him. libya was a much better place under his rule but then the devil USA came there with their democracy.

He started mass murdering Libyans, when they wanted to take part in the Arab Spring.

Everything is soo much better when Your leaders are killing You.
Pakistan is bombing its own citizens, so You must live in heaven...

 

[SQ8]

If you find a JP5 vendor, please let me know. Any mullah or all those buggers, all weapon releases are done with PK in the know. NO "rifle rifle" is called without the knowledge of the concerned directorates.e.

The fuel was brought in by CH-53s dragging in a massive fuel bladder as they do while establishing other FARPs. However, the fact that they had to bring it in is pretty funny. So basically, we sent in two stealth helos to avoid being detected by Pakistani ADGE and then sent in 3 REGULAR helos to support it!

How about the Abbottabad penetration? Did they notify the Pakistani CCA?

While its true that some drones fly with Pakistani permission, it's misleading to say that all drones fly with Pakistani permission. Case in point, the killing of Mullah Mansour which formed the basis of US withholding of military aid to Pakistan and which also invited a very embarrassing diplomatic outcome for Pakistan. The Americans simply waited for mullah Mansour to enter Pakistani territory from Iran before taking him out.

In my view, there are technical challenges Pakistan faces that allow the NATO forces in Afghanistan to nullify potential countermeasures. If unchecked, the day is not too far when even your Eastern neighbor gains this qualitative edge. The sooner Pakistanis come to terms with this reality, the better for them.

That too is not a black and white issue. Detecting a drone is not a problem, nor is any other aircraft; the issue lies with response time. A drone can cross into Pakistan for 10 minutes and be out of there without any response possible. Unlike the eastern border; there are only two response stations covering the west.

 

[Thorough Pro]

That kind of confirms you are lying

Please dont mislead. The PAF and the entire Pakistani ADGE does not possess the capability of shooting down a flying object with limited manoeuvrability and the RCS and cruising speed slightly higher than a Cessna 172. I swear on Rehman Malik's life and I pray he dies if I lie.

and the missile has to be super smart as it lifts the car from the road and gently puts it away from the road without any drag/ flip over marks on the road or soft ground.

this is a new form of Predator drone that doesnt cause any impact crater, just burns the car and for good measure.. beheads the prime target as well to ensure the kill


with same respect.. this was reported by people who reached the scene and afterwords those who have military background and know how a missile or an artillery round impact sight looks like.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

if you shoot down a US Chooper with US personnel on board, wouldn't that be construed by them as an act of war, in addition to overtly protecting OBL?

Under international law it would be a defensive act by Pakistan in response to an unauthorized and unprovoked military operation inside Pakistani territory by a foreign State. The US could not claim that Pakistan refused to act or was reluctant to act (Pakistan can point to the fact that it has neutralized, in cooperation with the US many times, hundreds of high and low level AQ leaders and operatives since 2001, including the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks). The US therefore had no justification for its unilateral, unauthorized and therefore illegal military operation in Abbottabad.

 

[HAIDER]

Exactly....!!

Qaddafi had personal relation with Bhutto, according to report Qaddafi provided financing during nuclear research in Pakistan. In exchange of money Pak later provide them reactors etc . But, equipment stay in the storage and later Qadaffi son hand over IAEA inspection team. That was first strike on AQ Khan. Actually Libya was financial partner of Pakistan nuclear program.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Under international law it would be a defensive act by Pakistan in response to an unauthorized and unprovoked military operation inside Pakistani territory by a foreign State. The US could not claim that Pakistan refused to act or was reluctant to act (Pakistan can point to the fact that it has neutralized, in cooperation with the US many times, hundreds of high and low level AQ leaders and operatives since 2001, including the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks). The US therefore had no justification for its unilateral, unauthorized and therefore illegal military operation in Abbottabad.

Two sided honey pot, though the whole operation was a farce, and not as clandestine as claimed.

 

[LeGenD]

and the missile has to be super smart as it lifts the car from the road and gently puts it away from the road without any drag/ flip over marks on the road or soft ground.

You don't know what happened there. The driver might have maneuvered in that manner to avoid the strike! Didn't work for him. Drones are not silent birds.

I posted a video of a missile named Brimstone that is designed to destroy a vehicle; it doesn't leaves a crater on the ground. Americans might have used it or a similar missile to kill Mullah Mansoor.

You don't need heavy firepower to disable a single vehicle and kill its occupants.

Two sided honey pot, though the whole operation was a farce, and not as clandestine as claimed.

Operation wasn't a farse. And its cover was blown because one of the helicopters suffered an accident.

I never post any facts, only opinions. Read my many hundred posts.

Personal opinion takes precedence over documented evidence and/or facts now?

 

[Windjammer]

Operation wasn't a farse. And its cover was blown because one of the helicopters suffered an accident.

As @Oscar mentioned there was also a Chinook part of the package, now you tell me, if US sends in a strike with a couple of B-2s and a B-52, wouldn't that kind of defeat the whole purpose.

 

[LeGenD]

As @Oscar mentioned there was also a Chinook part of the package, now you tell me, if US sends in a strike with a couple of B-2s and a B-52, wouldn't that kind of defeat the whole purpose.

I know that. Two MH-47 Chinooks also entered Pakistan but they were stationed in an undisclosed location where population was minimum.

Two special models of Black Hawks entered Abbottabad city but one of them went down during the raid. Therefore, one of the Chinooks (in waiting) was sent to rescue the crew of the fallen helicopter.

In-fact, a stealthy drone was also involved in this raid, monitoring the situation on the ground in Abbottabad for as long as the raid lasted.

The first responders of the Pakistani security forces witnessed two helicopters depart from Abbottabad after an explosion. The initial perception was that this was Pakistan Army. And they were not in the position to do anything about the helicopters.

By the time PAF became active and started to look for the helicopters, they were nearing Afghan border. It is rumored that two PAF F-16 aircraft spotted the helicopters near the Afghan border but USAF came close to intercepting them.

Keep in mind that the raid took place during night-time (around 2 pm). Things become murky during nighttime for onlookers.

 

[TheNoob]

He started mass murdering Libyans, when they wanted to take part in the Arab Spring.

Everything is soo much better when Your leaders are killing You.
Pakistan is bombing its own citizens, so You must live in heaven...

LOL WTF.
Is that what they teach you in sweden?
No wonder the western world is so messed up in the mindset

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Under international law it would be a defensive act by Pakistan in response to an unauthorized and unprovoked military operation inside Pakistani territory by a foreign State. The US could not claim that Pakistan refused to act or was reluctant to act (Pakistan can point to the fact that it has neutralized, in cooperation with the US many times, hundreds of high and low level AQ leaders and operatives since 2001, including the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks). The US therefore had no justification for its unilateral, unauthorized and therefore illegal military operation in Abbottabad.

All nice words, but not applicable when president of the country is your lap dog.

You don't know what happened there. The driver might have maneuvered in that manner to avoid the strike! Didn't work for him. Drones are not silent birds.

I posted a video of a missile named Brimstone that is designed to destroy a vehicle; it doesn't leaves a crater on the ground. Americans might have used it or a similar missile to kill Mullah Mansoor.

You don't need heavy firepower to disable a single vehicle and kill its occupants.


Operation wasn't a farse. And its cover was blown because one of the helicopters suffered an accident.


Personal opinion takes precedence over documented evidence and/or facts now?

It will always remain an opinion, while you believe the facts you can find in pop media.