PAF in Libya during US confrontation

[Panther 57]

Did the Pakistani pilots tell the U.S. pilots that they were Pakistani? Or did the U.S. pilots let them get really close cause that looked like 200 feet from a distance.

they shook hands and a coffee too LOL

 

[LeGenD]

Sir,

Welcome to the forum---. My statement has been made on this forum long before Seymour Hersch made his statements---actually years before---and that is on record---.

Seymour Hersh! Right.

You probably forgot this: http://tribune.com.pk/story/889381/...-denies-claims-he-was-cias-walk-in-informant/

As for the U S making intrusion into pakistan---the way events transpired and the time line of the events simply negates the U S version---and that also being 1 mile away from the pakistani west point---.

They had sufficient time to assess Pakistani military capabilities and discover loopholes to exploit when the time was right. Operations (e.g. Neptune Spear) do not occur one fine day. A lot of planning and preparation goes into them before they are given the nod.

City lights go off conveniently 1 /2 hour before the raid---helicopter crashes---massive fir---no one shows up---city has fire brigade and other police and anti terrorists force---then massive explosions when dentonators go off destroying the chopper---massive fires---then a slow mover chinook comes after 45 minutes of the explosions to take away the remaining U S troops---multiple refuelling stops---.

Is it really difficult to figure out load-shedding schedule of a city? If you have informants on the ground, you can learn this fact rather easily. Heck, you can monitor blackouts from the sky.

That helicopter did not crash on the ground and explode. It hit something and hard-landed within the compound. There is a difference between an actual crash and what constitutes as hard-landed. The commandos, on-board the hard-landed helicopter, proceeded to complete their objectives soon after (one of them even wrote a book about this mission; No Easy Day). While the raid was in progress, another helicopter (as a backup) arrived in the compound. When the objectives were met, they came outside and destroyed the hard-landed helicopter with explosives [but its tail was on the other side of the wall and remained largely intact; we found it]. They boarded the other helicopter and left. This explosion attracted attention from the surroundings and Pakistani security personnel began to mobilize.

By the time Pakistani security personnel reached the compound, they witnessed two helicopters departing the compound. They initially thought that this was Pakistan Army.

FYI: Americans had modified the rotors of each helicopter (involved in this raid) so that they would produce different noise and fool any radar into thinking that they were something else during flight. The helicopters also flew in Terrain-hugging manner in order to minimize the possibility of radar detection.

 

[MastanKhan]

Seymour Hersh! Right.

You probably forgot this: http://tribune.com.pk/story/889381/...-denies-claims-he-was-cias-walk-in-informant/


They had sufficient time to assess Pakistani military capabilities and discover loopholes to exploit when the time was right. Operations (e.g. Neptune Spear) do not occur one fine day. A lot of planning and preparation goes into them before they are given the nod.


Is it really difficult to figure out load-shedding schedule of a city? If you have informants on the ground, you can learn this fact rather easily. Heck, you can monitor blackouts from the sky.

That helicopter did not crash on the ground and explode. It hit something and hard-landed within the compound. There is a difference between an actual crash and what constitutes as hard-landed. The commandos, on-board the hard-landed helicopter, proceeded to complete their objectives soon after (one of them even wrote a book about this mission; No Easy Day). While the raid was in progress, another helicopter (as a backup) arrived in the compound. When the objectives were met, they came outside and destroyed the hard-landed helicopter with explosives [but its tail was on the other side of the wall and remained largely intact; we found it]. They boarded the other helicopter and left. This explosion attracted attention from the surroundings and Pakistani security personnel began to mobilize.

By the time Pakistani security personnel reached the compound, they witnessed two helicopters departing the compound. They initially thought that this was Pakistan Army.

FYI: Americans had modified the rotors of each helicopter (involved in this raid) so that they would produce different noise and fool any radar into thinking that they were something else during flight. The helicopters also flew in Terrain-hugging manner in order to minimize the possibility of radar detection.

Hi,

The destruction of one of their choppers was not in the excercize and neither the 45 minutes wait time---nor the demolition and explosion of the downed chopper and nor the chinook coming in at a lumbering pace a part of the scenario---.

 

[LeGenD]

Hi,

The destruction of one of their choppers was not in the excercize and neither the 45 minutes wait time---nor the demolition and explosion of the downed chopper and nor the chinook coming in at a lumbering pace a part of the scenario---.

The chopper-related accident is a reminder of dangers of a military operation in an hostile environment. No matter how much you prepare and practice, things can go wrong during the real event.

Two Black Hawk (variants) entered Abbottabad, spearheading the raid. Two Chinook (variants) were stationed near Abbottabad in an undisclosed area where population was minimum, as backup should something go wrong in Abbottabad. In total, 4 (modified) choppers entered Pakistan [Black Hawk (variants) on the front, spearheading the operation; Chinook (variants) behind, in supporting role]. A stealthy drone was also involved. In-fact, a large number of aerial assets were active near Pak-Afghan border and Pakistani shores in the Arabian Sea but they gave the impression that something was happening in Afghanistan. It is absolutely possible that they blinded our radar systems and other networks during the course of operation.

I have pointed out the 'chain of events' as they transpired during the entire operation.