PAF gears up to develop 5th-generation fighter jet

[Trango Towers]

F-14 not F-15, they have will but we don't

We don't have will.

Unbelievable.. yet we have had more success at defeating terror than NATO
We have an effective airforce. Produce not only aircraft but missiles radars and overhaul everything from engines to you name it.
Sadly many Pakistanis still think anything foreign is better.

 

[ejaz007]

What has been geared up?
Engine Development?
AESA Radar Development?
Material Development?
Electronic IC's Development?
Or
Anyother facilties?
Yeh manajan Sahib kahi aur ja kai becho,pheley JFT to in house bana lou.

We at the present are at Conceptual Design phase. Rest shall come in due course of time.

Can you screenshot what its saying? Nothing shows up for me.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Great...so I suppose all we need is a good mechanic and lots of duct tape to fix any issues with the F16

It's not that simple mainly bcuz of the software compatibility issues this would cause. After investing considerable amount of resources Pak might be able to fabricate/manufacture parts that are purely just hardware(like the body of the aircraft)...but that's about it. All other components like RWR, Navigation equipment, Communications equipment, etc...all are integrated together with a closed source software that Pak doesn't have access to. So if for example Pak makes RWRs and tries to use them in F16s...these RWRs wouldn't integrate with the rest of they systems. So unless US is willing to share its source codes with Pak(which it's not) Pak can't change/modify/replace anything without relying on the US. A perfect example is China's copies of Su27. China doesn't just plug and play its own components into an aircraft acquired from Russia. China manufactures and integrates all Chinese parts(with their own programming)...everything from the engine to radar to navigation and all other avionics, etc.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well every thing is assembled by highly skilled mechanic who just happens to be called an Engineer due to their advance training but in essence they are very handy

It's not done by Silver Spoon boys like Bilawal

 

[python-000]

it must be look

like that

 

[Sully3]

That's not true. F-16 isn't a car that the Turks make. Its a licensed production of an American system that the USG has total authority over, including who can sell spares, etc. Some spares, you can get from Turkey, the sensitive avionics and engine spares, can only come from the US.



That's also untrue for the F-16's. You can do that for the JF-17 tech. F-16's sensitive tech is off limits and sealed for any country. Only the US manufacturers can supply those, and American contractors have to install those. This is now a standard operational procedure I believe.

mate iranians have been flying those f14s for decades with american sanctions

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

How does iranes manage to up there F-15 fleet up on sky after badly sanctioned by USA?

There are people who make money on selling the surplus Tomcat parts to Iran still.

 

[Sine Nomine]

We at the present are at Conceptual Design phase. Rest shall come in due course of time.

Hope so....

You cannot defy the rules of physics. You may copy designs but where are you going to get your steel from. As @Bilal Khan 777 told us the specialised steel for jft comes from st else where. So wben you go to that provider and say we want steel in this shape for F16s do you think they will give it to you? Even if it is not steel or something else we need the technology to man7facture it to that spec. I suspect the insides of F16s parts have chips which only recognize parts with appropriate chips. So how are you going to get those chips. So nice to think about it but in reality difficult.
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I agree with you sir,but i can't digest the fact that a country who is making complex Missile Engines for it's Cruise and Ballistic Missiles,has designed and implemented complex guidence and targeting system for them and has a operational Nuclear Weapon system can't do that.

 

[bananarepublic]

There are people who make money on selling the surplus Tomcat parts to Iran still.

Dont the American destroy all the spares and retired F14 aircraft and dont the Iranian produce most of the spare Parts themselves? .i read this somewhere before.

 

[araz]

Hope so....


I agree with you sir,but i can't digest the fact that a country who is making complex Missile Engines for it's Cruise and Ballistic Missiles,has designed and implemented complex guidence and targeting system for them and has a operational Nuclear Weapon system can't do that.

When you take the easy way out you have these problems. We have had no investment in metallurgy, electronics, ceramic coatings, are simply assembling the parts and calling them indegenized. We need to start somewhere but till such time that we establish these industries have a proper methodology for implementing changes and stick to a strict and closely monitored scheme of modernization we will not get there. But hey even China is struggling with various technologies so we need to accept our limitations. After acceptance come solution which demands money. Some things we will be able to progress in like electronics and ceramics, microchips as they have other civilian uses. Others the economy of scale is just not there to make a viable solution and we will have to rely on others. If we wanted the 16s so badly we should have invested 10-15 billion dollars and established assembly lines and small parts manufacturing facilities or for that matter for the Gripen. Whether we would have gotten that or not(especially the Gripen) is another story.
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[Bilal Khan 777]

Dont the American destroy all the spares and retired F14 aircraft and dont the Iranian produce most of the spare Parts themselves? .i read this somewhere before.

How are the Tomcats flying then? This is a global double game that is going on forever.

 

[Thorough Pro]

They have to keep Iran at a certain military capability level to keep milking Arabs.

How are the Tomcats flying then? This is a global double game that is going on forever.

 

[Rank]

They are thinking about a 5th generation jet, that could shoot down US drones entering Pakistan's airspace

jab koi agla pichwaray may Lockon karkay thokayga missile fir sara khumaar JF17 utar jayega...

 

[DJ_Viper]

mate iranians have been flying those f14s for decades with american sanctions

Right, but did you know that many of those have Russian engines and make-shift controls? The primary thing the Iranian wanted in that F-14 and for it to keep flying was due to its superior radar (still longer range than many radars out there even in 4th gen jets). With lock onto 6 and attack on 6 capability (and tracking capability was classified)? Imagine that, even many of top line Russian and Chinese and even European jets today still don't have the 6 on 6 capability. So the Iranians used the Russians to reverse engineer some parts and replace half the plane with Russian parts. That's not really an original aircraft and is risky for pilots as well to fly. That won't happen in the case of the F-16's being sold lately, as due to technological advances, it should transmit every piece of data from all components and sensors in case of US copy right and policy infringement.

Pakistan back till 2010 had a policy to keep 5 years worth of spares for these as they had been through the sanctions before. I am surprised to see that such a critical policy was dropped? Seeing that there is little reaction from the Pakistani side, I think they are well covered for a few years and know that the JFT block III would be easily combat cleared by the time they may see spare related issues on the F-16, and probably, they would induct another platform by then too.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

it must be lookView attachment 451348 View attachment 451349 like that

Looks beautiful machine