PAF Fleet at the end of 2014 based on fighter generations

[alimobin memon]

We are Not comparing USAF here so we Need not to follow their Norms As for AESA Usaf is only Airforce in world which Currently has operational AESA Except France only in Limited numbers Rest All in Testing Phase Including European And Chinese One Leave Them there. So the Standard for rest of the world Is Below What of USAF And It will be in Foreseeable future.the comparison here is between two developing countries so standards are Set according to their Parameters


the EW suits of Iaf are Also world Par According to Western Standards Same as Israelis Use in their top Fighters.
As Jf-17 its Chinese Made fighter and Light weight so comparison btw Mig-29 & Mirage itself a joke .its more comparable to LCA itself.Please Read about Indian capabilities before Posting here An Advice

india for some time now, featuring all the upgrades of the program. They have become MiG-29UPGs, sporting the new Zhuk-M2E radar made by Phazotron-NIIR, the OLS-UEM infrared search-and-track system (IRST) similar to the Indian Navy MiG-29Ks, thermal / TV / laser imaging made by Moscow-based NPK SPP, multi-functional full-colour LCDs in the cockpit, increased fuel capacity and an in-flight refuelling system. Moreover the aircraft feature the more powerful RD-33 series 3 turbo-jet engines.

New role
The new radar will increase the MiG-pilot’s radar view up till 200 nautical miles, giving him – the Indian Air Force doesn’t have female fighter pilots – the ability to track 60 targets simultaneously and adds terrain-following mode and ground-target acquisition. In other words: the MiG-jock turns from a sole fighter pilot to an asset that can be used for close air support and ground attack, meaning the Fulcrum crews need additional training for their new role.

Indian Air Force MiG-29s best on the block | AIRheads↑FLY

Jf17 is not chinese made fighter first of all it is PAK and china made and further Light weight does not define if its 4th or some generation fighter that has to do with payload which by the way is now 4500kg and any plane from beginning is cleared to carry more weight jf17 will but still thats not reason Mig 29 is better because carries more weight. Its not a joke. further LCA can also be compared with mig 29 and m2K. TV and laser guided systems are available in jf17 FYI . MFD LCDS are also in jf17 what the hell u dont even know that ! IFR probe already shown pics of future variant of jf17 WTH !!!! further u say that RD 33 series 3 dude mig 29K the latest variant has RD 33 MK not series with only 7% more thrust u dont even know that RD 93 has 83KN while RD 33MK has 88K having a twin engine jet is indeed an advantage but what are u proving here ? having a better engine that is like 10 -15% improved make it terminator ?

wait what ? no female fighter pilots what the hell do u mean ?

ZHUK ME IS NOT AE remember hello !

JF 17 already has performed Close air support role ! Ground attack and AA roles further jf17 carries the ultra fast hypersonic missiles to perform ASHM role in new spectrum.

JF17 radar IS SAR enabled dude!

The only thing that MIG 29 right now has is IRST that is indeed an asset no doubt one of aspects of counter stealth tech.

 

[cerberus]

replied by other Member before me


see my previous posts regardin mig 29

ZHUK ME IS NOT AE remember hello !

MiG-29UPG’s Phazotron JSC-built Zhuk-M2E uses a mechanically scanning radar whose slotted-array antenna has to physically move in azimuth & elevation whenever it is searching & tracking airborne/ground targets. PESA & AESA on the other hand make uses of electronic scanning modes of operation. Mechanically scanning radars & PESA radars cannot undertake concurrent or interleaved operations, instead their modes of operation are sequential. For instance, when one is searching & tracking, fire-control operations (like guiding a BVRAAM or ARM) isn’t possible. With AESA-MMRs, all these functions can be carried out at the same time . Since the Indian Navy had the option of integrating their Mig 29's with an AESA radar ,.

 

[Matrixx]

PAF has 76 F-16s in its inventory, not 45.

All of our F-16s are back from Turkey with MLU upgraded. Moreover, PAF bought more F-16s from Jordan.

JF-17's are 50..so that's accurate...

In 65 air-war that PAF won, the ratio between PAF and IAF was 1 to 2.1

Today, the ratio has come down to 1 to 1.7

So that's a good news.

what is the point in buying 2nd hand F16s

 

[alimobin memon]

MiG-29UPG’s Phazotron JSC-built Zhuk-M2E uses a mechanically scanning radar whose slotted-array antenna has to physically move in azimuth & elevation whenever it is searching & tracking airborne/ground targets. PESA & AESA on the other hand make uses of electronic scanning modes of operation. Mechanically scanning radars & PESA radars cannot undertake concurrent or interleaved operations, instead their modes of operation are sequential. For instance, when one is searching & tracking, fire-control operations (like guiding a BVRAAM or ARM) isn’t possible. With AESA-MMRs, all these functions can be carried out at the same time . Since the Indian Navy had the option of integrating their Mig 29's with an AESA radar ,.

Exactly so has jf17 got option for AESA as vixen radar and chinese. but neither have it as of now !

 

[cerberus]

Exactly so has jf17 got option for jf17. but neither have it as of now !

zhuk m2e radar is good than any thing Paf currently have jf-17 blk 1 is light weight fighter with limited bvr various Mig-29 have 8 pylons for weapons only for air to air missiles Indian UPG version is the most advanced MiG-29 variant up-till now Mig-29 tested Mature fighter comparable only to f-16

 

[Krate M]

How many fighter plane in paf have IRST?
No troll.
Any IR tracking pod is used?

 

[Ultima Thule]

you r right sir Mig-29 is far better than J-17

How many fighter plane in paf have IRST?
No troll.
Any IR tracking pod is used?

i don't think so that we have IRST IR tracking pod

 

[Viper0011.]

We are Not comparing USAF here so we Need not to follow their Norms As for AESA Usaf is only Airforce in world which Currently has operational AESA Except France only in Limited numbers Rest All in Testing Phase Including European And Chinese One Leave Them there. So the Standard for rest of the world Is Below What of USAF And It will be in Foreseeable future.the comparison here is between two developing countries so standards are Set according to their Parameters

New role
The new radar will increase the MiG-pilot’s radar view up till 200 nautical miles, giving him – the Indian Air Force doesn’t have female fighter pilots – the ability to track 60 targets simultaneously and adds terrain-following mode and ground-target acquisition.

This is the problem with people. What they like or what's their own, is supposed to be above all their foes. See bold and underlined:

1) Standard for the world is below that of the USAF. I totally agree with that. BUT....that doesn't mean the standard below the USAF is what the India has and Pakistan's planes don't fire missiles and only blow smoke like they smoked a Cigar.

2) Whether the Mig's radar can see 200 NM (350 KM) or not....its not advantageous. Can its BVR missiles hit 300 150 NM or 100 NM?? The answer is NO. So no matter how long its "seeing" someone, the locks will take place pretty much at the SAME distance, that's supported by the Max Range of the BVR weapons. Which is again silly as the hit to kill ratio at Full BVR Range is marginal. You'll end up losing your bvr missile as it'll run out of gas if fired from Max Distance.

3) What the heck does a Radar's range has to do with Indian AF not having any FEMALE pilots??? LOL (see bold above)

4) In the Indo-Pak scenario, the superior range of radars is useless. The lock will be obtained almost at the same time by both parties. The JFT on paper and from what I've read, offers the same capability compared to anything else 4th generation. The AESA addition will put it in 4.5 Gen.

 

[VelocuR]

Bold highlights are pretty new, excellent quality, I am glad we have Saab 2000 AEW in our inventories despite the false rumors. Our F-16s (total 76) and JF-17 (currently process) are doing well, other aging planes like F-7, Mirage and others are absolutely obsolete and should be thrown to museum immediately or recycle them.

Combat Aircraft

F-7 140
F-16A/C 45
JF-17 49(100 on order)
Mirage IIIEP/OF/RP 69
Mirage 5EF/F/PA 84

Special mission
Falcon 20/200 (EW) 2
King Air 350 (Recce) 4
Saab 2000 (AEW) 4
Y-8 (ZDK-03) (AEW) 3 (1 on order)

Tanker
Il-78 4

Transport
C-130B/E/L-100 16
CN235 3
Saab 2000 1
Y-12 3

Helicopters
Bell 205 5
Bell 412 1
Mi-171 6
SA330 1(i doubt this no)
SE316 10

Training aircraft/
F-16B/D 31
FT-5 25
FT-6 9
FT-7 9
K-8 39
Mirage IIIBE/D/DP 17
Mirage 5DPA 2
SA316 8
T-37 18

Total Fleet: 539 (446 fighter aircraft), currently 364 planes are worst OBSOLETE except black bold highlights.

 

[cerberus]

This is the problem with people. What they like or what's their own, is supposed to be above all their foes. See bold and underlined:

1) Standard for the world is below that of the USAF. I totally agree with that. BUT....that doesn't mean the standard below the USAF is what the India has and Pakistan's planes don't fire missiles and only blow smoke like they smoked a Cigar.

2) Whether the Mig's radar can see 200 NM (350 KM) or not....its not advantageous. Can its BVR missiles hit 300 150 NM or 100 NM?? The answer is NO. So no matter how long its "seeing" someone, the locks will take place pretty much at the SAME distance, that's supported by the Max Range of the BVR weapons. Which is again silly as the hit to kill ratio at Full BVR Range is marginal. You'll end up losing your bvr missile as it'll run out of gas if fired from Max Distance.

3) What the heck does a Radar's range has to do with Indian AF not having any FEMALE pilots??? LOL (see bold above)

4) In the Indo-Pak scenario, the superior range of radars is useless. The lock will be obtained almost at the same time by both parties. The JFT on paper and from what I've read, offers the same capability compared to anything else 4th generation. The AESA addition will put it in 4.5 Gen.

Comparing jft with 4th gen it self shows lack of information
please research more then reply my posts with facts.

Comparisons about USAF is only based on generation Gap btw them and other Airforces around the world.

 

[Viper0011.]

Comparing jft with 4th gen it self shows lack of information
please research more then reply my posts with facts..

REALLY? Please do entertain me on here as to what is the difference in 4th Gen and a JFT NOT being a 4th Gen. I'd love to hear it. Please keep the mighty India specific blind patriotism out of the post and just write facts.

Also, when writing the above details, please also take a look at -16's Block 52 specs, Mirage 2000-5 specs, Mig-29 Specs Gripen, J-10 and SU-27 specs. More than likely, you won't need to post anything as you'll get it. But lets see what you can come up with.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Thats from Global Airforces right ?

yes

216 Su-30 Mki 4.5 +68 Mig 29 upg 4.5 gen + 49 Mirage mirage 2000h/th +45 Mig 29 k 4.5 generation TOTAL=378 all 4.5 generation with 49 Single Engine Fighters

IAF has 161 MKI's, 54 Mirages, 66 Mig-29, 45 Mig-29k so a total of 326 4-4.5 gen fighters,
also mig-29 upg and mirages are more or less equivalent to 4 gens.....no where close to 4.5 which are typhoons and rafale

Bold highlights are pretty new, excellent quality, I am glad we have Saab 2000 AEW in our inventories despite the false rumors. Our F-16s (total 76) and JF-17 (currently process) are doing well, other aging planes like F-7, Mirage and others are absolutely obsolete and should be thrown to museum immediately or recycle them.

Combat Aircraft

F-7 140
F-16A/C 45
JF-17 49(100 on order)
Mirage IIIEP/OF/RP 69
Mirage 5EF/F/PA 84

Special mission
Falcon 20/200 (EW) 2
King Air 350 (Recce) 4
Saab 2000 (AEW) 4
Y-8 (ZDK-03) (AEW) 3 (1 on order)

Tanker
Il-78 4

Transport
C-130B/E/L-100 16
CN235 3
Saab 2000 1
Y-12 3

Helicopters
Bell 205 5
Bell 412 1
Mi-171 6
SA330 1(i doubt this no)
SE316 10

Training aircraft/
F-16B/D 31
FT-5 25
FT-6 9
FT-7 9
K-8 39
Mirage IIIBE/D/DP 17
Mirage 5DPA 2
SA316 8
T-37 18

Total Fleet: 539 (446 fighter aircraft), currently 364 planes are worst OBSOLETE except black bold highlights.

Except for Mirages... others are in good shape, JF-17 will take some time maybe in 2017-18 we might be in position to retire them......i have no idea what ft-5,6 are used for.....

 

[cerberus]

REALLY? Please do entertain me on here as to what is the difference in 4th Gen and a JFT NOT being a 4th Gen. I'd love to hear it. Please keep the mighty India specific blind patriotism out of the post and just write facts.

Also, when writing the above details, please also take a look at -16's Block 52 specs, Mirage 2000-5 specs, Mig-29 Specs Gripen, J-10 and SU-27 specs. More than likely, you won't need to post anything as you'll get it. But lets see what you can come up with.

F-35 is trully 5 gen fighter with having Next gen Radars next gen engine,EW,IRST(An/aaq-DAS) And have VLO RCS ,Internal weapon Bays Sensor fusion and automatic target tracking are projected to give the fifth-generation jet fighter situation awareness ,second only to F-22 And superior to it in Some sense.

There is a generation gap btw fighters compared with f-35 I tell you again do more research about F-35 Rather quoting Media Articles

 

[truthseeker2010]

REALLY? Please do entertain me on here as to what is the difference in 4th Gen and a JFT NOT being a 4th Gen. I'd love to hear it. Please keep the mighty India specific blind patriotism out of the post and just write facts.

Also, when writing the above details, please also take a look at -16's Block 52 specs, Mirage 2000-5 specs, Mig-29 Specs Gripen, J-10 and SU-27 specs. More than likely, you won't need to post anything as you'll get it. But lets see what you can come up with.

according to indian ideology everything made in india is superior to what is made by others specially china....

 

[cerberus]

IAF has 161 MKI's, 54 Mirages, 66 Mig-29, 45 Mig-29k so a total of 326 4-4.5 gen fighters,
also mig-29 upg and mirages are more or less equivalent to 4 gens.....no where close to 4.5 which are typhoons and rafale

216 mki as of 31 dec 2014 Even All Mki are Being Equipped with AESA in MLU if you have forgotten

Except for Mirages... others are in good shape, JF-17 will take some time maybe in 2017-18 we might be in position to retire them......i have no idea what ft-5,6 are used for....

well mirage-2000h is also getting MLU In to M2k