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PAF Fleet at the end of 2014 based on fighter generations

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Combat Aircraft
F-7 140
F-16A/C 45
JF-17 49(100 on order)
Mirage IIIEP/OF/RP 69
Mirage 5EF/F/PA 84

Special mission
Falcon 20/200 (EW) 2
King Air 350 (Recce) 4
Saab 2000 (AEW) 4
Y-8 (ZDK-03) (AEW) 4

Tanker
Il-78 4

Transport
C-130B/E/L-100 16
CN235 3
Saab 2000 1
Y-12 3

Helicopters
Bell 205 5
Bell 412 1
Mi-171 6
SA330 1(i doubt this no)
SE316 10

Training aircraft/
F-16B/D 31
FT-5 25
FT-6 9
FT-7 9
K-8 39
Mirage IIIBE/D/DP 17
Mirage 5DPA 2
SA316 8
T-37 18

Total Fleet: 539 (446 fighter aircraft)

Note: All these figures are from flightglobal magazine and should be considered as official.
 
PAF has 76 F-16s in its inventory, not 45.

All of our F-16s are back from Turkey with MLU upgraded. Moreover, PAF bought more F-16s from Jordan.

JF-17's are 50..so that's accurate...

In 65 air-war that PAF won, the ratio between PAF and IAF was 1 to 2.1

Today, the ratio has come down to 1 to 1.7

So that's a good news.
 
PAF has 76 F-16s in its inventory, not 45.

All of our F-16s are back from Turkey with MLU upgraded. Moreover, PAF bought more F-16s from Jordan.

JF-17's are 50..so that's accurate...

In 65 air-war that PAF won, the ratio between PAF and IAF was 1 to 2.1

Today, the ratio has come down to 1 to 1.7

So that's a good news.
PAF Have
18 blk 52 4.5 generation +F-16A/B Block 15 +F-16A/B Block 15 ADF & F-16A/B Block 15 OCU which are comparable 4th gen fighters +Including Jf-17 Blk 1 which 4th gen Total = 124 fighter includin 4.5+4th gen all single Engine fighters.

Whereas IAF
216 Su-30 Mki 4.5 +68 Mig 29 upg 4.5 gen + 49 Mirage mirage 2000h/th +45 Mig 29 k 4.5 generation TOTAL=378 all 4.5 generation with 49 Single Engine Fighters
 
Interesting data
High number of twin seaters in case of F16
Are FT5 6 still in use? Or are they just on the inventory?
Please add UAV data too, and I request you to remove the India reference in OP, it will dilute the focus of thread.
 
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PAF Have
18 blk 52 4.5 generation +F-16A/B Block 15 +F-16A/B Block 15 ADF & F-16A/B Block 15 OCU which are comparable 4th gen fighters +Including Jf-17 Blk 1 which 4th gen Total = 124 fighter includin 4.5+4th gen all single Engine fighters.

Whereas IAF
216 Su-30 Mki 4.5 +68 Mig 29 upg 4.5 gen + 49 Mirage mirage 2000h/th +45 Mig 29 k 4.5 generation TOTAL=378 all 4.5 generation with 49 Single Engine Fighters

PAF's F-16s have been upgraded to the level of block 50. Search for the thread where PAF's MLU package's specifications are discussed.

Also, how many Mig-21's of IAF carry BVR missiles and latest avionics?

We should add IAF's upgraded migs and PAF's upgraded/BVR capable Miraages/F-7s as well.

This will give us a better picture of both forces.
 
You forgot our rusting cobras..
 
Search for the thread where PAF's MLU package's specifications are discussed.
sorry they are only four before and 40 after by Turkey
Pakistan receives more revamped F-16 jets - UPI.com
TAI completes Pakistan F-16 fleet mid-life upgrade - IHS Jane's 360

So thats makes 18+40+4=62 So, what is change Still it has to face 216 Mki 4.5 gens fighters(almost 4 times) Alone I not Even added 45 Mig-29 k & 49 Mirage-2000/Mk2 or 68 mig 29 SMT/UPG into the Picture
Also, how many Mig-21's of IAF carry BVR missiles and latest avionics?

We should add IAF's upgraded migs and PAF's upgraded/BVR capable Miraages/F-7s as well.

This will give us a better picture of both forces.
Leave 3rd gens out of the Picture Lets take main fighters First
 
Combat Aircraft
F-7 140
F-16A/C 45
JF-17 49(100 on order)
Mirage IIIEP/OF/RP 69
Mirage 5EF/F/PA 84

Special mission
Falcon 20/200 (EW) 2
King Air 350 (Recce) 4
Saab 2000 (AEW) 4
Y-8 (ZDK-03) (AEW) 3 (1 on order)

Tanker
Il-78 4

Transport
C-130B/E/L-100 16
CN235 3
Saab 2000 1
Y-12 3

Helicopters
Bell 205 5
Bell 412 1
Mi-171 6
SA330 1(i doubt this no)
SE316 10

Training aircraft/
F-16B/D 31
FT-5 25
FT-6 9
FT-7 9
K-8 39
Mirage IIIBE/D/DP 17
Mirage 5DPA 2
SA316 8
T-37 18

Total Fleet: 539 (446 fighter aircraft)
For comparison IAF has 763 fighters, so there is a ratio 1.71 between IAF and PAF

Note: All these figures are from flightglobal magazine and should be considered as official.
Thats from Global Airforces right ?
 
124 mig 21 jets are upgraded to bison standard which can carry BVR and ELTA jammer.
 
PAF Have
18 blk 52 4.5 generation +F-16A/B Block 15 +F-16A/B Block 15 ADF & F-16A/B Block 15 OCU which are comparable 4th gen fighters +Including Jf-17 Blk 1 which 4th gen Total = 124 fighter includin 4.5+4th gen all single Engine fighters.

Whereas IAF
216 Su-30 Mki 4.5 +68 Mig 29 upg 4.5 gen + 49 Mirage mirage 2000h/th +45 Mig 29 k 4.5 generation TOTAL=378 all 4.5 generation with 49 Single Engine Fighters
ok so u are saying ur Mig 29 and Mirages and mig 29K are 4.5 but all of PAF are just basic 4th generation ? You lack alot of knowledge do you even know how generation fighter characteristics are classified ?

RWR and EW Suite comes in 4+ suites so all f16 and Jf17 are easily 4+ generation fighters being block 52 at top superior.

Mig 29 series and Mirage 2000 can never be in notch of 4.5 as 4.5 are only few like F16E , Rafale, EF 2000, SU 30 series, F15 SE.

According to the principals of fighter aircraft books u can refer many. the 4th generation classification requires the at least FBW. with addition of EW Suite, RWR.

Further according to flight global magazine which I am purely assured not many of u have read says ,

The United States defines 4.5 generation fighter aircraft as fourth generation jet fighters that have been upgraded with AESA radar, high capacity data-link, enhanced avionics, and "the ability to deploy current and reasonably foreseeable advanced armaments."

According to this Ur SU 30mki is only 4.5 generation aircraft. because it meets the requirement of phased array radar if not aesa.

Others are all 4+ just like PAF jf17 and F16 fleet as they have all the capabilities of 4.5 except Aesa or PESA radar. neither MIG 29K nor MIG 29 upg has yet received any ZHUK AE radar but maybe in future so not 4.5 sorry ! they are as 4+ as jf17 and f16.
 
The United States defines 4.5 generation fighter aircraft as fourth generation jet fighters that have been upgraded with AESA radar, high capacity data-link, enhanced avionics, and "the ability to deploy current and reasonably foreseeable advanced armaments."
We are Not comparing USAF here so we Need not to follow their Norms As for AESA Usaf is only Airforce in world which Currently has operational AESA Except France only in Limited numbers Rest All in Testing Phase Including European And Chinese One Leave Them there. So the Standard for rest of the world Is Below What of USAF And It will be in Foreseeable future.the comparison here is between two developing countries so standards are Set according to their Parameters

RWR and EW Suite comes in 4+ suites so all f16 and Jf17 are easily 4+ generation fighters being block 52 at top superior.
the EW suits of Iaf are Also world Par According to Western Standards Same as Israelis Use in their top Fighters.
As Jf-17 its Chinese Made fighter and Light weight so comparison btw Mig-29 & Mirage itself a joke .its more comparable to LCA itself.Please Read about Indian capabilities before Posting here An Advice
neither MIG 29K nor MIG 29 upg has yet received any ZHUK AE radar
india for some time now, featuring all the upgrades of the program. They have become MiG-29UPGs, sporting the new Zhuk-M2E radar made by Phazotron-NIIR, the OLS-UEM infrared search-and-track system (IRST) similar to the Indian Navy MiG-29Ks, thermal / TV / laser imaging made by Moscow-based NPK SPP, multi-functional full-colour LCDs in the cockpit, increased fuel capacity and an in-flight refuelling system. Moreover the aircraft feature the more powerful RD-33 series 3 turbo-jet engines.

New role
The new radar will increase the MiG-pilot’s radar view up till 200 nautical miles, giving him – the Indian Air Force doesn’t have female fighter pilots – the ability to track 60 targets simultaneously and adds terrain-following mode and ground-target acquisition. In other words: the MiG-jock turns from a sole fighter pilot to an asset that can be used for close air support and ground attack, meaning the Fulcrum crews need additional training for their new role.

Indian Air Force MiG-29s best on the block | AIRheads↑FLY


hey are as 4+ as jf17 and f16.
Its quite evident that the MiG-29 as such is a very lethal platform. With modern avionics, it can take on & defeat current generation aircraft, including the Block 50 F-16, when properly flown.

Its primary "deficits" were in terms of its older avionics and limited fuel capacity.

The IAF upgrade, which is to SMT level and beyond, addresses these issues.

Original IAF MiG-29s are believed to have received limited upgrades already, including local Tarang RWRs plus improvements to the radar to the N019ME standard.

Avionics

- New databus 1553B standard to incorporate newer avionics

- New mission computers, navigation system (RLG-INS w/GPS + possible Glonass module - Sagem's Sigma95N), Stores Management System, new VRS (Video Recording System) plus DMG (Display Map Generator). VRS and DMG likely to be sourced from Israel or locally.

-Glass cockpit with new HUD, two MFDs, HOTAS

-Zhuk ME MultiFunction radar with A2A/A2G modes; new IFF; Zhuk variant for IAF is Zhuk M2E, with an improved signal processor over Indian Navy MiG-29Ks which received the Zhuk M1E (source:AWST Sharper Eyes for India's MiGs) The improved processor would allow for improved raid assessment, and NCTR (non cooperative target recognition).

Deputy Director (Phazatron) Yuri Goskov quoted:

Guskov said that Phazotron is already working on the next modification of its slot array radars, the Zhuk M2E. This version will have a faster processor, allowing it to classify targets by type (for instance, fighters, bombers and helicopters) and to break-out formation targets flying at 20-30 meters apart. The radar can also be programmed to identify aircraft by type – in the case of a new type, it can record its reflected signal and later use it for identification.
The Zhuk M2E should start flight testing this year. The modernized radar will equip 62 Indian Air Force MiG-29s that MiG is modifying to the MiG-29UPG configuration under contract to the IAF.



-NIPP OLS-UE (as on latest MiG-35 and MiG-29K). Has a TV channel. Also has an advanced IR matrix for increased range. For the MiG-35, MiG notes "The IRST system with infra-red, TV and laser sighting equipment has been developed using the space technologies which were not applied previously in aviation. The system distinctive features are the increased range, detection, tracking, identification and lock-on of air, ground/surface targets in the forward and rear hemispheres, at day and night measuring the distance with laser range-finder as well as the formation of target designation and laser illumination of ground targets. The IRST system and new helmet-mounted target designation system are integrated into the armament control system." The IAF SMT upgrade does not have the fuselage mounted pod, so it cannot track ground targets (IAF will use the Litening instead) but rest applies, for the forward facing IRST.

-D-29 EW suite: Developed by DRDO with inhouse high accuracy DF RWR fit which cues AESA jammers. Latter codeveloped with Elettronica. DARE developed a high performance EW system with a scalable, modular architecture. The system can receive signals from multiple channels, process them in an Indian developed signal processing suite, and then devise appropriate jamming countermeasures to be initiated by jammers linked to the output channels. The LCA & MiG-27 Upgrade, both feature conventional Transmitter based jammers but the MiG-29 has an AESA fit developed with Elettronica. This system combines high grade coverage with high ERP (Emitted Radiated Power) for effective countermeasures.

-Improved chaff & flares system: Likely to be the locally developed system by Bharat Dynamics Ltd.

-V/UHF radio fit + IAF datalink. Radios likely to be Software Defined Radios developed by HAL

-VOR/ILS/TACAN from HAL
 
Leave 3rd gens out of the Picture Lets take main fighters First

Don't get stuck on childish titles...

An upgraded Miraage-III with latest avionics, decent radar, and a potent BVR missile in point-defense role is still a threat to Mig-29 coming in for an attack.

you know what i'm sayin?

How many Mig-21's of india are upgraded to carry latest avionics and BVRs?

The capability of IAF is no way near 4x the capability of PAF...So comparing the numbers of "su-30" to the numbers of "F-16s" is as useless as comparing U.S central command and Western China...
 
How many Mig-21's of india are upgraded to carry latest avionics and BVRs?
replied by other Member before me

An upgraded Miraage-III with latest avionics, decent radar, and a potent BVR missile in point-defense role is still a threat to Mig-29 coming in for an attack.
see my previous posts regardin mig 29
 
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