PAF F16-Blk70 possibly coming - TO BE CONFIRMED

[Syed1.]

You know this CSF or Military Aid, is basically used only to buy American Weapons , that money can't be used elsewhere but again, explaining something to a Indian related to Pakistan is like Teaching a Monkey how to use Iphone .

After a few tries even monkey will get the hang of it, but good luck getting through to an Indian.

 

[YeBeWarned]

After a few tries even monkey will get the hang of it, but good luck getting through to an Indian.

Like every other good human, I had to give it try

 

[alimobin memon]

Well , the person of the hour stated

25 F16 Block 70
and then Upgrade of our whole 75-85 F16 Fleet to Block 70 standard

Now I personally am not aware too much on the structure of the F16 Block C/D models Pakistan Air-force presently have however, that would be a massive boost to go from Block C/D standard to modern standard

Of course the F16 Block 70 will still be may be nothing compared to the Super Hornets or F22
but in term of F16 and 4.5 generation birds it would put Pakistan in a nice situation not requiring a Stealth upgrade immediately

Considering India is getting the French Rafael , 30-40 birds it would be a timely upgrade for Pakistan Airforce

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Super hornet or hornet. Are they really better overall than f16 ?

 

[Armchair]

Guys Pakistan will also get the F-35...... mubarak to all Pakistanis. Well done IK and General Bajwa





Don't ask my source, I have a source, just take my word for it

Unfortunately you are an unknown while @Khafee is a very senior officer with a very illustrious career. And he is a major asset for the country.

If true, the IAF must have expected to circumvent the “jinx” of the Pak airspace via the Ehl-i Kitap!!! If it had failed too it’s the time to panic!!! No wonder the Hindutuva leadership lost all hope and wanted to go for a MAD induced mass suicide!! Erstwhile this option was only for their women....

you are truly a poet and a philosopher and a military historian all put in one.

So, now we have three people essentially saying the same thing, khafee, airomerix and, our resident Sherlock Holmes, @TheTallGuy

Do we need to call up PMIK to confirm this? Is our job here to satisfy the requirements of every keyboard warriors living in their mom's basement?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Guys Pakistan will also get the F-35...... mubarak to all Pakistanis. Well done IK and General Bajwa





Don't ask my source, I have a source, just take my word for it

Impossible you're not better that @Khafee he is professional Member and you're nobody, or this is your baseless sarcasm @Syed1.

 

[The Eagle]

As far as it is about money $$; not to forget that US owe Pakistan almost 9 Billion $ in lieu of war on terrorism (CSF) to be paid and Trump stopped that which is not a surprise. We had spat over it and things went south. Then, a god sent opportunity knocked and as our rival failed due to bias strategy; Pakistan became the most important party. The interest risen and US started to talk. Without wasting the opportunity; in short, a list to do was shared and discussed.

Trump being a businessman will never pay $9+ billion just like that hence, it can be said that the decision was made to offer product in lieu of money, sell product by keeping money at home, paying LM as the money circulates within home, creates jobs & pays labour and both parties are at win win. Afghanistan exit may be succeeded, CSF obtained, had the best product because Pakistan doesn't need a whole new infrastructure or training etc when it comes to F-16s except for refresher & upgrades at facility.

The above can be possibility if, there were talks or a will being put on the table. What happened in recent days, provides estimated guess at best and we have seen ACM calls upon PM before his visit to US. COAS accompanied and so the Spy Master. Pentagon to White House; all glittery and rocking till now, will prove many of guesses as true in coming days.

These observations along with many updates let the thread to keep it running for a while. PAF does need birds and of advanced level and we all can only discuss the possibilities. Not everyone can conclude the whole picture at once but bit by bit, it can help understand well.

We had bitter relations with US since a while and things weren't pleasant but then again, strategic games does have opportunities and chances to win big. These games and geo-strategic importance can bring you the golden opportunity by any minutes and all we need to do is to be ready, active & be prepared to avail. The few having moment that US does this & that to Pakistan and this can't be made possible; are right to the extent of past but it is more of satisfying that they aren't seeing what's been happening. So, I will always wish that the adversary may remain occupied in thoughts that this is not going to happen.

@Khafee being a professional shared a news as per his own links/source and still own it so, him being a professional wouldn't risk it but provided a scenario which allows us to discuss with every possibility that exists to move on with US. What if proposed Block-70 or Block-72 news is one of the items we discussed & hopefully will have them too? I am saying this again as we are not paying upfront as usual as we don't have that luxury and there is pending balance of CSF with US so we have a way forward with mutual benefit in lieu of goodies for us & safe exit for US.

I don't think that Exit Bargain will be that cheap and I said it before. The mutual interests based talks does contain a long term working relation with benefits for each party, strategical security, leverage in regard to economical build-up, market access etc etc. There is a lot can be made out of it or we can guess but only time will tell how things turn out as it is a time consuming exercise especially when we have a whining, arrogant & very cunning enemy.

 

[mingle]

Guys Pakistan will also get the F-35...... mubarak to all Pakistanis. Well done IK and General Bajwa





Don't ask my source, I have a source, just take my word for it

Ha ha but lot 13 price would be 80 million per copy we can have them as replacement of F16s

We miss @LeGenD here his input

 

[imadul]

Many IFF codes are unique, not 'universal', meaning a 'friend' code for US is not the same as a 'friend' code from Britain which is not the same as from Germany which is not the same as from France, and so on. If Britain want to let US know that British fighters are 'friendly', then Britain will have to let US know that code so we can add it into our list of 'friends'. Same for Germans and French and so on.

- An IFF interrogator signal is transmitted.

- Assuming the response is automatic, an IFF response signal is transmitted.

- The interrogator compares the response against a library of 'friends'.

When I was active duty, I have seen a response that ended up with an F-16 from my own squadron ended up as 'foe'. It turned out to be a bad IFF component. IFF codes are top secret and can be changed even from hr to hr, if necessary.

Civilian IFF codes are pretty much 'universal', meaning every country agreed upon a preset signal that identifies an aircraft as 'civilian'. One of these 'universal' mode is altitude: Mode C. This mean when an aircraft, military or civilian, is interrogated, the automatic response contains just the pressure altitude. Mode C is more for air control traffic assistance.

The interrogator signal determines the response.

- Q: What is your tail number (Mode 2) and altitude (Mode C)?

- A: 15,000 ft.

Now we have an incomplete IFF response. You are supposed to tell me your tail number and altitude but I get only altitude. You maybe designated as 'foe'. The reason it is 'maybe a foe' instead of 'definitely a foe' is because possibly your IFF system is not equipped to respond with unique aircraft identifiers like tail number or class of aircraft (heavy). Mode 2 code is reserved for military. Mode C is 'universal'.

If a military query received only a civilian type of response, we will assign the respondent as civilian -- for now. If the area is a conflict zone, then there will be serious problems with incomplete responses, perhaps even ended up with catastrophic problems.

Thank you for this great and simplified explanation. Does same holds true for SAM batteries engaging an attacking aircraft?
Theoretical question, can PATRIOT shoot down a rogue F-16 from a friendly nation?
I am wondering why Turkey is buying S-400 and not PATRIOT? Can export versions shoot down aircrafts of the supplier country?

 

[Tamiyah]

Thank you for this great and simplified explanation. Does same holds true for SAM batteries engaging an attacking aircraft?
Theoretical question, can PATRIOT shoot down a rogue F-16 from a friendly nation?
I am wondering why Turkey is buying S-400 and not PATRIOT? Can export versions shoot down aircrafts of the supplier country?

Turkey is not dumb that they were ready to dumped out of F35 program just for S400. There was a whole reason behind it. Its better to explore Turkish S400 thread rather than aking here.

 

[Maxpane]

Noted; it is a circular use of funds which is normal for both US and China to drive productivity on the home turf. Lets see - time will tell.

sure sir

As far as it is about money $$; not to forget that US owe Pakistan almost 9 Billion $ in lieu of war on terrorism (CSF) to be paid and Trump stopped that which is not a surprise. We had spat over it and things went south. Then, a god sent opportunity knocked and as our rival failed due to bias strategy; Pakistan became the most important party into Pakistan. The interest risen and US started to talk. Without wasting the opportunity; in short, a list to do was shared and discussed.

Trump being a businessman will never pay $9+ billion just like that hence, it can be said that the decision was made to offer product in lieu of money, sell product by keeping money at home, paying LM as the money circulates within home, creates jobs & pays labour and both parties are at win win. Afghanistan exit may be succeeded, CSF obtained, had the best product because Pakistan doesn't need a whole new infrastructure or training etc when it comes to F-16s except for refresher & upgrades at facility.

The above can be possibility if, there were talks or a will being put on the table. What happened in recent days, provides estimated guess at best and we have seen ACM calls upon PM before his visit to US. COAS accompanied and so the Spy Master. Pentagon to White House; all glittery and rocking till now, will prove many of guesses as true in coming days.

These observations along with many updates let the thread to keep it running for a while. PAF does need birds and of advanced level and we all can only discuss the possibilities. Not everyone can conclude the whole picture at once but bit by bit, it can help understand well.

We had bitter relations with US since a while and things weren't pleasant but then again, strategic games does have opportunities and chances to win big. These games and geo-strategic importance can bring you the golden opportunity by any minutes and all we need to do is to be ready, active & be prepared to avail. The few having moment that US does this & that to Pakistan and this can't be made possible; are right to the extent of past but it is more of satisfying that they aren't seeing what's been happening. So, I will always wish that the adversary may remain occupied in thoughts that this is not going to happen.

@Khafee being a professional shared a news as per his own links/source and still own it so, him being a professional wouldn't risk it but provided a scenario which allows us to discuss with every possibility that exists to move on with US. What if proposed Block-70 or Block-72 news is one of the items we discussed & hopefully will have them too? I am saying this again as we are not paying upfront as usual as we don't have that luxury and there is pending balance of CSF with US so we have a way forward with mutual benefit in lieu of goodies for us & safe exit for US.

I don't think that Exit Bargain will be that cheap and I said it before. The mutual interests based talks does contain a long term working relation with benefits for each party, strategical security, leverage in regard to economical build-up, market access etc etc. There is a lot can be made out of it or we can guess but only time will tell how things turn out as it is a time consuming exercise especially when we have a whining, arrogant & very cunning enemy.

one of the best analysis sir

 

[The Terminator]

To be honest, under current circumstances Pakistan should sign a deal of further 25 to 36 brand new f16 of latest blocks with USA including the clause of unconditional supply of parts, ammunition, subsystems entire support network throughout the life span of the f Sola fleet in PAF and full and unrestricted access to the Turkish f16 production and maintenance facilities. Same goes to other US supplied weapon systems. Nothing less than that should be acceptable. They want our help in Afghanistan then earn our trust first and stop backstabbing us anymore. And it's a great opportunity for that kind of deal with Trump in office.

 

[Malik Alashter]

I have this question since you're a nuclear power state who you think has the balls to attack you or worse invade you?!

I'd say save the money for something benefits the poor people better than wasting them on fighters tanks ships use them for infrastructure or supplement the low income people that's where the good investment

Sorry if my wishes make no sense to you actually that's what I like for my country

 

[The Terminator]

I have this question since you're a nuclear power state who you think has the balls to attack you or worse invade you?!

I'd say save the money for something benefits the poor people better than wasting them on fighters tanks ships use them for infrastructure or supplement the low income people that's where the good investment

Sorry if my wishes make no sense to you actually that's what I like for my country

Firstly please mention your country and nationality in your reply please and whether you or your ancestors have migrated and settled into your current country or not. Then someone would be able to give you a proper reply.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Firstly please mention your country and nationality in your reply please and whether you or your ancestors have migrated and settled into your current country or not. Then someone would be able to give you a proper reply.

Im originally from Iraq and im proud Iraqi

 

[The Eagle]

I have this question since you're a nuclear power state who you think has the balls to attack you or worse invade you?!

I'd say save the money for something benefits the poor people better than wasting them on fighters tanks ships use them for infrastructure or supplement the low income people that's where the good investment

Sorry if my wishes make no sense to you actually that's what I like for my country

There is no harm to say like this in-fact, public service should be the priority. However, in this case, if --a big IF the deal as such comes to reality, we are looking at adjusting of CSF and the same is not hard cash. The CSF is not like paying $$ to Pakistan but providing needed equipment/stuff/support. Had it been the case of cash, F-16s & other goodies were always on offer to Pakistan against hard cash.

Rest about speaking of attack being N power, not to forget that we are dealing with a mad man in neighborhood thus can't be ignored. India has been showing their ambitions and tried to do so... 26th Feb is a reference for the readiness. I would rather say that N is the reason that we are facing threats and so are safe and strong. it goes both ways.