PAF 1965 air war explained (John Fricker)

[Creder]

He was far from the best WW2 pilot, and i do think he is bending the truth after all he was bias. Pak-Indian border doesn't need to be Alaska, aircrafts in desorts are also un-discovered.

Ahan .. Maybe it was one of your boys, should have sent someone to Afghanistan to look for they're spare parts.. Not talking about the plane

So he has pictures of the wreckage and serial numbers of those 102 aircraft? You have a link to all of those pictures and serial numbers?

I'm not the one raggin on Yeager you are, posted some books on te first page go read em .. Prove whatever you've said about Yeager don't just hate on him cuz they whopped you guys


That makes no sense. Can you explain how the US military wasn't able to find Scott Speicher's aircraft despite knowing the general area where it was shot down and somehow Chuck Yagar tracked down 102 Indian aircraft?...amazing, i wounder why Chuck didn't help search for Scott Speicers wreckage.

dude your not making any sense , there is a difference between aramdom flight crash and a war.. They didn't find so it means it's impossible to find a fallen aircraft ?

fact of the matter is IAF got their ***** handed to them but that's too hard for you guys to swallow so it's easier to rag on 'chuck yeager', who I bet would have been given his own mandir in India had he made some star trek fantasy about IAF

 

[Hulk]

So chuck Yeager made this stuff up ? Your calling one of the best pilots of the WW2 era a liar just because of the examples you gave which don't have any relevance to this because The pak-India border isn't Alaska, he 'documented' these attacks .. Which means he confirmed they were Indian through serial numbers on different parts of the plane.. The F18 incident they didn't know where the wreckage was whereas in this case the exact coordinates were able

Its human to make mistake, tell lies etc. I hope he was also human being. There is no person on this earth whose each and every word can be counted as truth without discussion, so stop giving this lame argument.

 

[Creder]

Its human to make mistake, tell lies etc. I hope he was also human being. There is no person on this earth whose each and every word can be counted as truth without discussion, so stop giving this lame argument.

What lame argument ? You wanna tell me your pathetic speculations have more credibility than that guy's ?

 

[Hulk]

What lame argument ? You wanna tell me your pathetic speculations have more credibility than that guy's ?

I am just telling you that everyone is human. He is not a god that he cannot tell lies. In-fact in this world people have even questioned god, even in same faith, can you deny that.

 

[Creder]

I am just telling you that everyone is human. He is not a god that he cannot tell lies. In-fact in this world people have even questioned god, even in same faith, can you deny that.

So you can be lying right now too ? You can be making a mistake too by not knowing actual facts too right ?

 

[Hulk]

So you can be lying right now too ? You can be making a mistake too by not knowing actual facts too right ?

Yes and so can you, any human can lie. Do you have scientific proof that says "John Fricker" cannot be a lair, or someone who is good pilot cannot lie or he is not paid to lie or he does not have any interest in lying.

 

[Creder]

Yes and so can you, any human can lie. Do you have scientific proof that says "John Fricker" cannot be a lair, or someone who is good pilot cannot lie or he is not paid to lie or he does not have any interest in lying.

It's not guilty unless proven guilty not the other way around buddy.. Forget their remarks it's you lot who are questioning the credibility of these people just because they made comments that didn't quite feel good.. These people have history behind them why do you have ?

 

[Hulk]

It's not guilty unless proven guilty not the other way around buddy.. Forget their remarks it's you lot who are questioning the credibility of these people just because they made comments that didn't quite feel good.. These people have history behind them why do you have ?

You got the point finally, so to prove someone is not telling the truth one has to discuss, not just say he cannot lie and end the debate.

 

[sab]

Wonderful. Instead of debating the issue on its merits, or disputing the relevant data regarding aircraft kills, you have gone off on a rant about why Yeager was biased. It's true. Historically, the American leadership has generally hated India's guts* (references below), but that still doesn't change the numbers or take away from the fact that the PAF has emerged victorious in every engagement with the IAF.

*: In a previous thread I had posted many examples of American leaders from Dulles (Eisenhower Presidency) to Kennedy, Nixon, Kissinger etc. all abusing India, Indians and Indian leaders in extreme terms. I don't want to do that again, but the point, hopefully, is made.

What was off topic??? Being a legendary pilot doesnt make him a undoubtable source of information when he was acting as an advisor of one of the Air-forces we are discussing. Why should we give him extra priviledge over PAF official source??? Because he had white skin??? Any person with a brain bigger than a chicken egg can say if his statistics of 104:34 were true the result of the war would have been something else.

And, will you change your mind if I similar number of Western sources abusing Pakistan??? (Though they will be off-topic a bit)

 

[Indiarox]

So chuck Yeager made this stuff up ? Your calling one of the best pilots of the WW2 era a liar just because of the examples you gave which don't have any relevance to this because The pak-India border isn't Alaska, he 'documented' these attacks .. Which means he confirmed they were Indian through serial numbers on different parts of the plane.. The F18 incident they didn't know where the wreckage was whereas in this case the exact coordinates were able

OK great pilot dose not mean what ever he says is gospel truth.

 

[Indiarox]

Losses were relatively heavy--on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan.

COULD HAVE IS NO ANSWER!!! NO ONE KNOWS THE FUTURE!!! & IF NUMBERS ARE SOMETHING TO GO BY THEN IN WWII SOVIET UNION LOST 2 TIMES THE NUMBER OF ALL ALLIED FORCES COMBINED & YET WON THE WAR!!!

so please boys before u wet your pants about lines like india "could have" won the war predictions are nothing to go by!!!!

well the soviets had more area in their control their military was massive compared to the Nazis or rest of allies put to gether

 

[Icarus]

If Yeagar's count was such an outrageous lie, then how come no Indian, Russian or American refuted it at the time ? Why is it that at that time it created no fuss whereas right her, right now it is the center of discussion for people from 4 different countries ?

 

[Indiarox]

If Yeagar's count was such an outrageous lie, then how come no Indian, Russian or American refuted it at the time ? Why is it that at that time it created no fuss whereas right her, right now it is the center of discussion for people from 4 different countries ?

When you know that the other person is lying and they will not accept what you say then whats the point in refuting it

 

[Icarus]

When you know that the other person is lying and they will not accept what you say then whats the point in refuting it

Then why refute it now ???????????

 

[Indiarox]

Then why refute it now ???????????

I expected you to under stand reality