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So now that india has revealed its most anticipated Arjun II tank, indian forums are a buzz. I was reading discussions on Arjun II and indians were going "OMG..it has thermal imagers...OMG, it has BMS and it commander can control UAVs from within..it is this and that and blah blah" ...and after reading for a while..I was like "Wait! Al Khalid-I already has all of them..how is Arjun II superior then?" Then I realized that actually, Pakistan might not even need to bring out its Al Khalid II..since Al Khalid-I pretty much matches Arjun II already..
So here is a basic comparison between the two tanks...The comparison is made by keeping in mind the terrain they'll operate in. For example, Al Khalid's lighter weight gives it an advantage in irrigated soils of Punjab, and desert sand of Sindh...If it was Urban Warfare, Arjun would have the advantage of being heavier than Al Khalid..but we all know that main terrains of confrontation are deserts and plains...Therefore, Al Khalid's weight is regarded as an advantage.
Note : Blue highlight = Advantage over the other tank
Weight :
Al Khalid-1 : 48-49 tons
Merkava IV : 66-68 tons.
Speed :
Al Khalid-1 : 72 km/h
Arjun II : 40-55 km/h
Main Armament :
Al Khalid-1 : 125 mm smooth bore gun
Arjun II : 120 mm rifled gun
Payload Capacity :
Al Khalid-1 : 49 rounds
Arjun II : 39 rounds
Engine :
Al Khalid-1 : KMDB 6TD-2 6-cylinder diesel 1,200 hp (with upgrade)
Arjun II : 10 cylinder, V-90 turbo charged 1400 hp
Power/Weight ratio :
Al Khalid-1 : 26 to 26.5 hp/tonne
Arjun II : 20.1-21.5 hp/tonne
Armour :
Al Khalid-1 : Composite armour, and RHA, with ERA plate coating (right up there. very tough)
Arjun II : Improved kanchan armour, Russian-style ERA (slightly better)
Operational Range :
Al Khalid-1 : 500 km
Arjun II : 450 km
Protection :
Al Khalid-1 : upgraded VARTA active protection system
Arjun II : India still working on an indigenous one (?)
ATGMs :
Al Khalid-1 : Kombat , 9M119 Refleks (AT-11 Sniper) etc (laser beam guidance, unstoppable since can't be detected due to laser beam guidance method--also, top-attack mode according to some sources.)
Arjun II : LAHAT (Top attack mode..very effective!)
Types of rounds fired:
Al Khalid-I: APFSDS, HEAT-FS , HE-FS, Depleted Uranium round and KOMBAT ATGM
Arjun II: FSAPDS, HESH, PCB, TB, and Lahat ATGM
Rate of Fire:
Al Khalid-I: 9 rounds per minute.
Arjun-II: 8 rounds per minute
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Other than this, both Al Khalid-I and Arjun II have thermal imagers, panoramic sites for commanders, and Battlefield management systems...
Al Khalid-1's muzzle velocity is very damn good too...superior to that of even Merkava IV...but I didn't get states for Arjun II muzzle velocity or rate of fire..so can't say anything...
Conclusion: Al Khalid-1 is right up there, if not superior, to Arjun II. Arjun sure has its advantages in heavier armour..but then Al Khalid-1 is superior to Arjun in mobility, speed, and firepower...
My prediction is that we won't be seeing Al Khalid II any time soon since Al Khalid-I already pretty much neutralizes Arjun II.
Not to mention, Pakistan already deploys over 300 Al Khalid-Is while india has yet to induct Arjun IIs...
Things don't look that great for Arjun project...
(All the data for Arjun-II was taken from Indian forums and Indian experts on tanks in different defence forums.)
Talk away...
No one know about the complete technology systems of Arjun Tanks and it is still at development.So there is no comparison here.
Look retardo,
If we go by this, then I can bullshit "Oh a country that can't even built toilets have a good tank now? haha what a joke! Arjunk is nothing more than a paper tiger with parts imported from cheap Russian black markets" blah blah..
You see, this is easy. So stop being an embarrassment and TALK substance.
Al Khalid-I is as Pakistani and Arjun is Indian, if not more. Stop trolling and crying.
Arjun isn't in development stages but testing stages.
Secondly, the specifications were taken from Indian sources...senior members..and people who are working on the project (some very senior Indian members here on this forum)...
Your data is wrong if i am not mistaken.So now that india has revealed its most anticipated Arjun II tank, indian forums are a buzz. I was reading discussions on Arjun II and indians were going "OMG..it has thermal imagers...OMG, it has BMS and it commander can control UAVs from within..it is this and that and blah blah" ...and after reading for a while..I was like "Wait! Al Khalid-I already has all of them..how is Arjun II superior then?" Then I realized that actually, Pakistan might not even need to bring out its Al Khalid II..since Al Khalid-I pretty much matches Arjun II already..
So here is a basic comparison between the two tanks...The comparison is made by keeping in mind the terrain they'll operate in. For example, Al Khalid's lighter weight gives it an advantage in irrigated soils of Punjab, and desert sand of Sindh...If it was Urban Warfare, Arjun would have the advantage of being heavier than Al Khalid..but we all know that main terrains of confrontation are deserts and plains...Therefore, Al Khalid's weight is regarded as an advantage.
Note : Blue highlight = Advantage over the other tank
Weight :
Al Khalid-1 : 48-49 tons
Merkava IV : 66-68 tons.
Speed :
Al Khalid-1 : 72 km/h
Arjun II : 40-55 km/h
Main Armament :
Al Khalid-1 : 125 mm smooth bore gun
Arjun II : 120 mm rifled gun
Payload Capacity :
Al Khalid-1 : 49 rounds
Arjun II : 39 rounds
Engine :
Al Khalid-1 : KMDB 6TD-2 6-cylinder diesel 1,200 hp (with upgrade)
Arjun II : 10 cylinder, V-90 turbo charged 1400 hp
Power/Weight ratio :
Al Khalid-1 : 26 to 26.5 hp/tonne
Arjun II : 20.1-21.5 hp/tonne
Armour :
Al Khalid-1 : Composite armour, and RHA, with ERA plate coating (right up there. very tough)
Arjun II : Improved kanchan armour, Russian-style ERA (slightly better)
Operational Range :
Al Khalid-1 : 500 km
Arjun II : 450 km
Protection :
Al Khalid-1 : upgraded VARTA active protection system
Arjun II : India still working on an indigenous one (?)
ATGMs :
Al Khalid-1 : Kombat , 9M119 Refleks (AT-11 Sniper) etc (laser beam guidance, unstoppable since can't be detected due to laser beam guidance method--also, top-attack mode according to some sources.)
Arjun II : LAHAT (Top attack mode..very effective!)
Types of rounds fired:
Al Khalid-I: APFSDS, HEAT-FS , HE-FS, Depleted Uranium round and KOMBAT ATGM
Arjun II: FSAPDS, HESH, PCB, TB, and Lahat ATGM
Rate of Fire:
Al Khalid-I: 9 rounds per minute.
Arjun-II: 8 rounds per minute
=============================================================================================
Other than this, both Al Khalid-I and Arjun II have thermal imagers, panoramic sites for commanders, and Battlefield management systems...
Al Khalid-1's muzzle velocity is very damn good too...superior to that of even Merkava IV...but I didn't get states for Arjun II muzzle velocity or rate of fire..so can't say anything...
Conclusion: Al Khalid-1 is right up there, if not superior, to Arjun II. Arjun sure has its advantages in heavier armour..but then Al Khalid-1 is superior to Arjun in mobility, speed, and firepower...
My prediction is that we won't be seeing Al Khalid II any time soon since Al Khalid-I already pretty much neutralizes Arjun II.
Not to mention, Pakistan already deploys over 300 Al Khalid-Is while india has yet to induct Arjun IIs...
Things don't look that great for Arjun project...
(All the data for Arjun-II was taken from Indian forums and Indian experts on tanks in different defence forums.)
Talk away...
lol so you want us to discuuss based on data which was made by a member himself.Amazing instead of discussing on the topic, indians are uselessly arguing about other things. Stick to the topic.
Sir you deleted my posts but hasnt deleted his comparison table??Unless someone can add to the discussion what has already NOT been discussed. There is no point in going on with copy paste bragging contests