P.A Number (Pakistan Army number)

[morg]

hey all.

im new on this forum, and this is my first post(and topic).
i simply joined the forum becouse i wondered on the system of PA Numbers.
as i read about General Akbar Khan Rakroot (P.A 1) and then about his brother who had a P.A 2, while in comparison FM Ayub Khan had P.A 10... and so on. therefore i wonder how they grade these numbers and where do i find a complete list of PA numbers?

thanx.

 

[gnabi]

I don't think u can find a list of P.A numbers anywhere. I think the system is secret and even in news the P.A numbers are not given. I think they actually indicate the seniority of officers in the army.

 

[mujahideen]

I don't think u can find a list of P.A numbers anywhere. I think the system is secret and even in news the P.A numbers are not given. I think they actually indicate the seniority of officers in the army.

You are totally right. May be we can find an estimate but we can never get the actual number. This is indeed a matter of nation security and it is better that it is not revealed.

 

[solid snake]

Isn't the PA number like the PAK number of the air force?

If so, it is based on which basic graduation course the officer belonged to. How officers are numbered within their own coursemates, I do not know.

 

[Bill Longley]

PA numbers are actually Pakistan Army Numbers
they are given so that ban officer can easily be recognized
i think there is no secret hidden in them
they are just like roll numbers

 

[x_man]

Isn't the PA number like the PAK number of the air force?

If so, it is based on which basic graduation course the officer belonged to. How officers are numbered within their own coursemates, I do not know.

You are right, Army calls it PA numbers and in Airforce its called PAK Numbers....Its a sequential number that is issued to each officer upon getting commision in armed forces...within a course its based upon individual performances e.g i dont know about Army system but in airforce, the cadet getting the Sword of Honour is the first Pak number of his/her course and rest follows as per their individual performances....

As far as their secrecy is concerned, I dont think that its that serious matter or a national secret.....Full information about number of officers and men is anyway avaiable through many sources on the web . In many countries this information is open to public, even if you look at Bharat Rakshak,, one can search officers from their numbers.

I think the only source from which this information needs to be kept secret is officers own children ....if they find the number, ,they can ruin his/her monthly Mess Bill ....Solid, I hope you know what i am talking about.

 

[morg]

i found a list of PA numbers from one to present i think it were up in 300 or something. what was common in the series was that generals were given such numbers. so it has to do something with the point of appointment as general, as General Akbar Khan Rakroot was the first general of pakistan army and thereby PA.1... i found the list on wikipedia, but now its gone.

 

[Xeric]

You are right, Army calls it PA numbers and in Airforce its called PAK Numbers....Its a sequential number that is issued to each officer upon getting commision in armed forces...within a course its based upon individual performances e.g i dont know about Army system but in airforce, the cadet getting the Sword of Honour is the first Pak number of his/her course and rest follows as per their individual performances....

As far as their secrecy is concerned, I dont think that its that serious matter or a national secret.....Full information about number of officers and men is anyway avaiable through many sources on the web . In many countries this information is open to public, even if you look at Bharat Rakshak,, one can search officers from their numbers.

I think the only source from which this information needs to be kept secret is officers own children ....if they find the number, ,they can ruin his/her monthly Mess Bill ....Solid, I hope you know what i am talking about.

ya u r right ..... PA number = Pakistan Army Number. army also has the same procedure.the cadet getting sword of honor will be getting the first PA number in "that course." although he will still be behind the officers who already have been commisioned before him. PA numbers donate senority within the army as a whole. what i mean by this is that for example top five cadets being poted in diffrent services and ofcourse diffrent units, each of them would b having their PA number in sequence as they were in sequence of merit when they passed out but when they will join their respective units they has nothing to do with PA numbers of officers who r there before him or the ones who r going to join that unit after him. it just shows the overall seniority. there is one more thing which i will not like to tell "civilians" ..lolz..dont mind it. its something related to the proffession so it better remain within it. the info i provided u with is guud enuff for intrested ppl to boast around.
now comming towrads its secretiveness. although PA numbers are not considered as "National secret" as brought out by someone earlier, but yes they are supposed to be keep confidential. the reason behind this is that we dont want "other ppls" using them coz i personally have seen a tendency to this effect. young guys getting info from sites like these and then pretending to be army officers. secondly, i cant exactly remeber when it happened but India once tried to prove a so called "army personnel" crossing the border, and the prove they gave was his PA number..which actually belonged to some other officer serving in Pak Army.
and lastly there is another issue related to the revealation of PA number which again i'll not like to discuss with civilians....

in the end....the Message of the Day... meray aziz bhaio or humwatno....(please dont take it as sarcasicm..)DONT ASK MILITRAY PERSONNEL ABOUT THEIR PA/PAK NUMBERS.....

 

[solid snake]

You are right, Army calls it PA numbers and in Airforce its called PAK Numbers....Its a sequential number that is issued to each officer upon getting commision in armed forces...within a course its based upon individual performances e.g i dont know about Army system but in airforce, the cadet getting the Sword of Honour is the first Pak number of his/her course and rest follows as per their individual performances....

As far as their secrecy is concerned, I dont think that its that serious matter or a national secret.....Full information about number of officers and men is anyway avaiable through many sources on the web . In many countries this information is open to public, even if you look at Bharat Rakshak,, one can search officers from their numbers.

I think the only source from which this information needs to be kept secret is officers own children ....if they find the number, ,they can ruin his/her monthly Mess Bill ....Solid, I hope you know what i am talking about.

I do rack up a few hundred rupees at the mess, but my brother is usually out of control. He buys a treat for himself and his entire gang of friends almost everyday.

 

[Xeric]

I do rack up a few hundred rupees at the mess, but my brother is usually out of control. He buys a treat for himself and his entire gang of friends almost everyday.

when i gonna have kids ...i am keeping my numbers secret...thts for sure.... although i have been sc... around with my father's personal number... the one he got from the firm he works with ...he is a civilian ofcourse..ya civilians also do have their own personal numbers....

 

[blain2]

You are right, Army calls it PA numbers and in Airforce its called PAK Numbers....Its a sequential number that is issued to each officer upon getting commision in armed forces...within a course its based upon individual performances e.g i dont know about Army system but in airforce, the cadet getting the Sword of Honour is the first Pak number of his/her course and rest follows as per their individual performances....

As far as their secrecy is concerned, I dont think that its that serious matter or a national secret.....Full information about number of officers and men is anyway avaiable through many sources on the web . In many countries this information is open to public, even if you look at Bharat Rakshak,, one can search officers from their numbers.

I think the only source from which this information needs to be kept secret is officers own children ....if they find the number, ,they can ruin his/her monthly Mess Bill ....Solid, I hope you know what i am talking about.

Xman,

From what I can recall, In the Army, the PA number is assigned in the order you join the PMA. In the PMA, you get GC #s. So lets say someone gets GC # 3500, others as they start getting into the Academy and getting processed after you, get serialized from 3501 onwards. Upon Passing out, in the same order of seniority, Pakistan Army numbers are assigned so you get to keep your seniority (So even within the same course, there is a seniority owing to the GC numbers assigned to GCs as they are processed).

At least in the past, the GC and PA numbers had nothing do with some someone winning the sword, appointments etc. Doing well in the Academy results in getting your pick as far as the arm is concerned.

And I agree about the fact that there is no secrecy around the PA numbers. However for logical and obvious reasons, people do not openly display their PA numbers to ensure they cannot be misused. Overall everything within the Army is processed for officers and Jawans using their PA numbers.

 

[Xeric]

Xman,

From what I can recall, In the Army, the PA number is assigned in the order you join the PMA. In the PMA, you get GC #s. So lets say someone gets GC # 3500, others as they start getting into the Academy and getting processed after you, get serialized from 3501 onwards. Upon Passing out, in the same order of seniority, Pakistan Army numbers are assigned so you get to keep your seniority (So even within the same course, there is a seniority owing to the GC numbers assigned to GCs as they are processed).

At least in the past, the GC and PA numbers had nothing do with some someone winning the sword, appointments etc. Doing well in the Academy results in getting your pick as far as the arm is concerned.

And I agree about the fact that there is no secrecy around the PA numbers. However for logical and obvious reasons, people do not openly display their PA numbers to ensure they cannot be misused. Overall everything within the Army is processed for officers and Jawans using their PA numbers.

as i have mentioned earlier that PA number has to do alot with the ranking u pass out....GC numbers has nothing to do with PA numbers....the better u r when u pass out the better (lower) PA number u will get...now u must b thinking whts the benefit of guud performance in PMA...lets supppose there are 40 vacancies for some forgein courses..GHQ makes a merit list according to the officers' individual performance but again not only the performance will taken into account but before tht the the seniority of officers will also b taken into account...so seniroty how?.....PA numbers ofcourse....u might not b called for interview if they required 60 officers in total but u were the 61st...coz ofcourse there would b officers whose performnance would b exactly the same...by exactly i mean the extacly there marks---i have deliberatly not used the exact word for these.....as theres a system to measure officers' performance n allot them marks....and no one will like to talk abt those so please dont ask )
...so which one they choose ..the senior...if they r from two diffrent courses then it is obviouse tht the senior will go but if u r course mates...n imagine both r eligible , both r efficient, both have exactly same grades in courses..etc etc and they equal as far as the performance n merit is concerned but only the senior PA number will go coz he might be an appoinment holder in PMA n the other one was just a plain GC...got it...

 

[Muradk]

Well the procedures are the same. Army is to big but PA number or PAK number will not give you access to anything untill you have and ID.
my fathers PA number was @@ my is @@ who will use it. They are useless until you have an IDs.

 

[Xeric]

Well the procedures are the same. Army is to big but PA number or PAK number will not give you access to anything untill you have and ID.
my fathers PA number was @@ my is @@ who will use it. They are useless until you have an IDs.

sir no one can use these 4 figurered numbers in 2008
when now the PA numbers has gone in 5 figures....
and i personally feel it is not a guud idea to post PA number on net....
i knw a spy being caught from PMA who has been sending PA numbers to india regarding the newly commissioned officers...

 

[EagleEyes]

Ok this thread is being closed because of the reports.

Thanks.