Over 240,000+ Afghan refugees deported from Turkey (as well as Iran and Pakistan)

[Imran Khan]

I don't know about other countries but Pakistan should immediately crack down on them and deport them.

Only Pakistan is retarded enough to feed venemous snakes.

pakistan need new force to clean these scums . pindi islamabad is full of them

 

[TheSolution]

pakistan need new force to clean these scums . pindi islamabad is full of them

100% , I have heard they despise the locals and refuse to interact with them, crimes, murders, drugs, terrorism, etc.

Only a cucked shameless state like Pakistan floods such people who openly insult the country and the native people.

We need a wall similar to the above, at our Western border that has highly secure check posts. Anyone act out of place - put a bullet in their head.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

No room in Europe,send them all to Australia and Canada. There's lots of land there. Not that Afghans can help it prosper,but you know...


That was the case in Greece too during the summer. Friends of mine told me that.

Bermuda triangle is a better destination.

 

[SQ8]

Here in Canada many Afghans who came to Canada in early 2000s or before all came on fake Pakistani passports and documents. The area I use to live in was filled with afghans and they would be here on fake Pakistani documents and even go back to Afghanistan via Pakistan. Their kids would know how to speak and understand Urdu. But many of them would be the most anti Pakistan people I’ve ever met. Their existence in Canada was due to Pakistan but they would come here and try to act superior to Pakistanis. Idk if it’s the same in USA but here many of the earlier afghan immigrants and refugees were here solely because they had access to fake Pakistani documents on which they came Canada. Yet they would still hate Pakistanis and Pakistan.


Yes I personally know many afghan families here in Canada who got here on fake Pakistani passports.

The reason why they are a more dangerous enemy than ANY venom loaded Bhaktora Modi supporter from India

Here in Canada many Afghans who came to Canada in early 2000s or before all came on fake Pakistani passports and documents. The area I use to live in was filled with afghans and they would be here on fake Pakistani documents and even go back to Afghanistan via Pakistan. Their kids would know how to speak and understand Urdu. But many of them would be the most anti Pakistan people I’ve ever met. Their existence in Canada was due to Pakistan but they would come here and try to act superior to Pakistanis. Idk if it’s the same in USA but here many of the earlier afghan immigrants and refugees were here solely because they had access to fake Pakistani documents on which they came Canada. Yet they would still hate Pakistanis and Pakistan.


Yes I personally know many afghan families here in Canada who got here on fake Pakistani passports.

The reason why they are a more dangerous enemy than ANY venom loaded Bhaktora Modi supporter from India

 

[ThunderCat]

Turkey is a secular state and all of these migrants we're receiving do not share our values. We definitely don't want anymore

That goes for Afghans and Pakistanis as well, sorry.

I would prefer to stay away from that topic knowing it's sensitivity to many Turks, but the fact is Turkey- like Pakistan and most other Muslim countries is divided between religious rural classes and urban secular classes.

To state Turks are "secular" and Pakistanis are not is a gross overstatement and a gross contradiction of history.

It was not Pakistan that barred it's non-Muslims from owning property, opening bank accounts, government positions, civic jobs, training their clergy, building places of worship or imposed capital taxation on them. It was Turkey that did that.

These policies have been totally contradictory towards the definition of secularism. Even before it's independence, Pakistan guaranteed the constitutional rights of it's non-Muslim population, while in Turkey the polar opposite happened.

Of course the situation of non-Muslims has deteriorated in Pakistan over the decades, but as far as the Pakistani constitution is concerned, they still enjoy the basic rights to own property, own bank accounts, built places of worship, train their clergy, pay equal taxes as the Muslim population.

To compare the secular class of Turkey to the religious class of Pakistan is comparing apples and oranges, and to be frank very dishonest and even offensive.

If religious Pakistanis are moving into secular areas of Turkey, I can understand the negative vibes from Turks. But to misuse these people to represent all Pakistanis is what the problem is.

 

[LegionnairE]

If religious Pakistanis are moving into secular areas of Turkey, I can understand the negative vibes from Turks. But to misuse these people to represent all Pakistanis is what the problem is.

Yes, that's exactly what's happening, Pakistani, Afghan Syrian, doesn't matter, refugees are piling up on big cities. Look, I don't mean any offense. I don't want to argue with you. Even if they are the best people on earth, we don't want them.

This country went from having no refugees to having 13-15 million in a few short years and people are absolutely fed up and angry. The Turkish government has spent over a hundred billion dollars on refugees and there's absolutely no gratitude.. There are places where you can't find anyone who speaks Turkish. The economy is utterly fucked. This looks and feels like an invasion. No country on earth can tolerate this.

 

[ThunderCat]

Yes, that's exactly what's happening, Pakistani, Afghan Syrian, doesn't matter, refugees are piling up on big cities. Look, I don't mean any offense. I don't want to argue with you. Even if they are the best people on earth, we don't want them.

This country went from having no refugees to having 13-15 million in a few short years and people are absolutely fed up and angry. The Turkish government has spent over a hundred billion dollars on refugees and there's absolutely no gratitude.. There are places where you can't find anyone who speaks Turkish. The economy is utterly fucked. This looks and feels like an invasion. No country on earth can tolerate this.

Agreed for the most part. How can a country tolerate so many refugees when it's own people and own economy are in a bad situation?

Except for one thing. Very few of the refugees are actually Pakistanis. From what I read there are 70,000 Pakistanis in Turkey, including many legally registered ones investing in the property markets. The refugee population is probably amongst the 70,000. Most of them are Afghans and Arabs of Syrian citizenship, probably followed by Iraqis.

But no I am not arguing for allowing the unregistered ones to live there. In the end everyone has to look after their interests, wheather the refugee or the host country.

Lastly, a Turkish woman on social media claimed that many of these "Pakistanis" are actually Afghans with Pakistani citizenship and they need to be distinguished. But no, I am not claiming they are all Afghans, even if her claims are true. There indeed actual Pakistani refugees in Turkey, probably seeking to enter mainland Europe but stranded in Turkey.

 

[Trisolaran]

I would prefer to stay away from that topic knowing it's sensitivity to many Turks, but the fact is Turkey- like Pakistan and most other Muslim countries is divided between religious rural classes and urban secular classes.

To state Turks are "secular" and Pakistanis are not is a gross overstatement and a gross contradiction of history.

It was not Pakistan that barred it's non-Muslims from owning property, opening bank accounts, government positions, civic jobs, training their clergy, building places of worship or imposed capital taxation on them. It was Turkey that did that.

These policies have been totally contradictory towards the definition of secularism. Even before it's independence, Pakistan guaranteed the constitutional rights of it's non-Muslim population, while in Turkey the polar opposite happened.

Of course the situation of non-Muslims has deteriorated in Pakistan over the decades, but as far as the Pakistani constitution is concerned, they still enjoy the basic rights to own property, own bank accounts, built places of worship, train their clergy, pay equal taxes as the Muslim population.

To compare the secular class of Turkey to the religious class of Pakistan is comparing apples and oranges, and to be frank very dishonest and even offensive.

If religious Pakistanis are moving into secular areas of Turkey, I can understand the negative vibes from Turks. But to misuse these people to represent all Pakistanis is what the problem is.

Turkish secularism is/was not a secularism that respects all religions but it is/was a secularism that oppresses all religions. Also non muslims in Turkey was heavily Armenians and Greeks and for this, there was ethnic hatred reasons for making them second class citizens.. This is why Erdogan at his first years take support of liberals and even some socialists.
Also Afghan gangs in Turkey constantly attack Pakistanis and most Pakistanis I saw in Turkey are here for education but Afghans are realy trouble makers

 

[manpk77]

Afghanis are neither talented nor educated. They are involved in crime and other activities in Germany. German tired too, they prefer Syrian over these people. But now Ukranian......

Afghan refugees who went abroad from Pakistan are neither talented nor educated but the afghanis who went abroad from other countries without staying in Pakistan are both talented and educated.

 

[LegionnairE]

Agreed for the most part. How can a country tolerate so many refugees when it's own people and own economy are in a bad situation?

Except for one thing. Very few of the refugees are actually Pakistanis. From what I read there are 70,000 Pakistanis in Turkey, including many legally registered ones investing in the property markets. The refugee population is amongst the 70,000. Most of them are Arabs of Syrian citizenship, probably followed by Iraqis.

Yeah even those "very few" after a few sexual harrassment cases against women took the ire of the people very quickly.

You might think you're secular, but Pakistani secularism is very different than Turkish secularism. I know there aren't as many women on the streets in Pakistan as in Turkey. These punks are taking their phones out, following and filming women on the street and posting it online, making people very, very angry. If you don't want those "very few" from destroying the image, the reputation of your country you need to do everything you can to keep them from coming here.

I don't care what religious code you're following, nobody gets to come to our country and harrass our women or tell them how they should dress.

 

[ThunderCat]

Turkish secularism is/was not a secularism that respects all religions but it is/was a secularism that oppresses all religions. Also non muslims in Turkey was heavily Armenians and Greeks and for this, there was ethnic hatred reasons for making them second class citizens.. This is why Erdogan at his first years take support of liberals and even some socialists.
Also Afghan gangs in Turkey constantly attack Pakistanis and most Pakistanis I saw in Turkey are here for education but Afghans are realy trouble makers

Yes I read such. And to reemphasize, Pakistan has also become an ugly place for non-Muslims and even for non-Sunni sects. Oppression and discrimination are common. But like other Muslim countries, there is a secular urban and rural religious division in Pakistan as well and has been since independence.

I am not at all surprised regarding Afghans in Turkey. Even abroad, Afghans attack and harass Pakistanis. A Punjabi girl on YouTube told me years ago that a Pakistani Punjabi in Australia claimed he was molested by Afghans at his school when they found out he was Pakistani Punjabi.

On the Internet I have encountered Afghanis masquerading as Turks and attacking Pakistanis, while claiming Afghans to be "white people."

Turkish women & children also face sexual attacks from Afghans living there. If Turks had to choose one migrant population to kick out or use brute force against, it has to be Afghans. They are the most degenerate migrants, even though I have met nice Afghans on an individual basis.

But as a community they are the worst news. Even Arabs can have more dignity than them on average.

 

[HttpError]

Afghans spread very fast
They can really outnumber the local population in small European countries in some decades.
May be Turkey and Iran can also feel threatened

You mean they are an "INVASIVE SPECIES" ?

 

[LegionnairE]

Turkish women & children also face sexual attacks from Afghans living there. If Turks had to choose one migrant population to kick out or use brute force against, it has to be Afghans. They are the most degenerate migrants, even though I have met nice Afghans on an individual basis.

But as a community they are the worst news. Even Arabs can have more dignity than them on average.

There's only one country on earth that I would like to remove from the map and that is Afghanistan.

Uplifting chimpanzees to human level intelligence could be easier than trying to civilize Afghans.

But at the end of the day, all refugees must go. A good man would have a job, a family, a life in his own country, he won't just leave them. Only a piece of shit loser who has no life, who is a social outcast would walk all the way from his country to Turkey

We should be gunning them down with MG3s at the border.

Turkish secularism is/was not a secularism that respects all religions but it is/was a secularism that oppresses all religions.

Say what you will about Turkish secularism. As soon as Erdo eroded it, we got 2016 coup attempt. Atatürk was right, we need to hang as many of these traitors as possible. Don't let them organize.

If we don't do what's necessary, they will turn this country into a cultist shithole.

You might be okay with living in gülenistan, I'm not.

 

[ThunderCat]

Yeah even those "very few" after a few sexual harrassment cases against women took the ire of the people very quickly.

You might think you're secular, but Pakistani secularism is very different than Turkish secularism. I know there aren't as many women on the streets in Pakistan as in Turkey. These punks are taking their phones out, following and filming women on the street and posting it online, making people very, very angry. If you don't want those "very few" from destroying the image, the reputation of your country you need to do everything you can to keep them from coming here.

I don't care what religious code you're following, nobody gets to come to our country and harrass our women or tell them how they should dress.

Ok let me address your post, point by point.

Those few tourists who were filming women were about a dozen men amongst 200,000 Pakistanis who visit Turkey every year. Two of them were already suspected by Pakistani federal authorities of being involved in human trafficking and were arrested after being deported from Turkey.

By no means is there any excuse for such behavior. I suspect those men are from illiterate slums came as a group and attained a discounted travel package promoted by the Turkish ministries of transport/tourism.

The Pakistani immigration officers who let them travel at the airport should have used their addresses and no previous visas on their passports to determine that they are bad news. The incidents last year can teach a valuable lesson. Let's hope it never happens again.

Turkey should also avoid giving discounted tourism packages to poorer Pakistanis to avoid this.

I am not sure what you mean by "I might think I am secular." I AM secular. I come from the urban upper class in Pakistan and we are as secular as anyone can get. We are also gender equal. Our women study and work alongside men and are fully educated on average.

We also commonly date outside of marriage.

Both my parents families are secular going back at least three generations. Although both my grandmothers observed evening prayers, they both had non-Muslims friends and got along great with them, sometimes just like family. Same is true for both my parents and myself. Religion plays almost no role in our lives.

If you mean as a society, we are divided between religious and secular and a mix of both. In the cities and suburbs, women tend to dress more casually, including foreign women when I was growing up there in the 90s.

Women hold annual fashion shows, sports events, swim in pools and at the beaches. Our country has no laws how women dress. You can find countless images & videos of them online. In the rural areas it's more conservative on average.

We also are the first Muslim country to elect a woman prime minister who was from a Shia family and lasted in office for eight years collectively. Also first Muslim country to have a woman as an army major. We also had the first all female flight crew in a Muslim country.

You claim that Turkish secularism is different from Pakistani secularism and I probably agree. Other Pakistanis well read on the topic also claim such such as this paper by a Pakistani student. You can click on the enlarge button to read the page properly: https://www.scribd.com/document/512002525/Ataturk-vs-Jinnah#

 

[TheSolution]

A Punjabi girl on YouTube told me years ago that a Pakistani Punjabi in Australia claimed he was molested by Afghans at his school when they found out he was Pakistanis.

On the Internet I have encountered Afghanis masquerading as Turks and attacking Pakistanis, while claiming Afghans to be "white people."

Molested him? Wtf

Yes, that's exactly what's happening, Pakistani, Afghan Syrian, doesn't matter, refugees are piling up on big cities. Look, I don't mean any offense. I don't want to argue with you. Even if they are the best people on earth, we don't want them.

This country went from having no refugees to having 13-15 million in a few short years and people are absolutely fed up and angry. The Turkish government has spent over a hundred billion dollars on refugees and there's absolutely no gratitude.. There are places where you can't find anyone who speaks Turkish. The economy is utterly fucked. This looks and feels like an invasion. No country on earth can tolerate this.

You have the right to feel this way and I don't think majority here would disagree, considering it would also be hypocritical as many say and feel the same about Afghans entering Pakistan.