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The qadianis have a strong grip in Lahore and Sailkot, things will not escalate out of hand.

Qadiani's have a strong grip all over Pakistan ... We have seen it personally and experienced it ... and thisis one of the srong reason here for hatred ...

The qadianis have a strong grip in Lahore and Sailkot, things will not escalate out of hand.

Qadiani's have a strong grip all over Pakistan ... We have seen it personally and experienced it ... and this is one of the srong reason here for hatred ...
 
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Situation is not as simple as you think it is, rogue contingents in addition to those you cited are also adding insult to the injury. I don't want to go into the details for discussion may derail the thread. Problems for minorities are not restricted in Pakistan, the whole world endures this social issue including our neighbour India. Terrorists are born to spread terror, they'll do exactly what their purpose is but the question is - are the law enforcement agencies meant to sit idle? Let us broaden the spectrum, what measures have been taken to encounter target killing in Karachi? Just because monopolists of Karachi are collation partners they are allowed to ruin the city!

If in any western nation no no let me explain it you this way In Israel christian Arabs or Muslims Arabs living with in her borders have the same rights as the Jews.

shocking it might be to some they are allowed to vote as the wish and work where ever they want you are claiming minorities are treated the same every where really.
 
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Very sad even the dead are not respected these culprits should be bought to book
 
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If in any western nation no no let me explain it you this way In Israel christian Arabs or Muslims Arabs living with in her borders have the same rights as the Jews.

shocking it might be to some they are allowed to vote as the wish and work where ever they want you are claiming minorities are treated the same every where really.

Didn't quite get satire there! Could you be more specific?
 
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Didn't quite get satire there! Could you be more specific?

Every body is allowed to live their life as they please practice what ever religion they like enjoy the same rights and protection as the majority and are protected by the same law enforcement agencies as the majority.
 
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Every body is allowed to live their life as they please practice what ever religion they like enjoy the same rights and protection as the majority and are protected by the same law enforcement agencies as the majority.

I never said law enforcement agencies are not helping minorities to enjoy their rights or they indeed are prosecuting them. What all I am saying is that the law enforcement agencies are not taking necessary steps to halt such incidents in future.
 
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Lahore Police should Take Law in their Hands to Clean the City . Mumbai police did the same and see Mumbai Today ....



Yep Zia Tried to Banned Shias along with ahmadis in the Hudood Ordinance but Failed due to countrywide Protests . Correct me if m wrong .

you ARE wrong.

Qadyanis were declared non muslims BEFORE Gen Zia, it was the democrat and "Shia" Bhutto who did this.

Now, try to justify all the posts you have made previousely in this light :D

There was NOT a single ordanance launched during Gen Zia's time against Shias, as a matter of fact none such ordanance exists till date.

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Or It must be hindus taking revenge of the temple??, Why not say this also you double standard indian!! No surprise that RAW is always eager to start riots in pakistan between shias and sunnis to create havoc in our country by supporting anti shia TTP.

Traditional Indian boogeyman syndrome is undersstandable, but seriously you want to denigrate your own hindu citizens under false pretenses. good going!
who do you think is responsible.
any thing bad happens in PAK, usually the blame goes to cia/raw/mossad

or druggies and bored yobs...
jumping to conclusions is our hallmark...
druggies and bored yobs dig desicrate graves carrying tools and firearms? :pakistan:

Raw may not be involved in directly but they are involved indirectly by funding and supporting certain anti Pakistan elements to promote violence and mess between two sects to cause sectarian violence and riots.

Again traditional Indian Boogeyman Syndrome

Maybe RAW introduced that law in 1974 and brainwashed the Sunni majority population into branding Ahmedis as non Muslims plus created hatred and killings of Shias and other minorities in Pakistan.
Why dont the Pakistani establishment name these religious organizations who act on RAW'S instructions and stop them?
relax... these guys will actually start a new thread on that too

No that law was mandatory and was created by Muslims, only Muslims can understand why qaydyanis should be labeled as kafirs but raw exploit these things as a way to spread terror and violence between sects and trigger ethnic violence in country.
Yes, yes keep it coming... this boogyman syndrome is always fascinating

OK so RAW is working for and as per Pakistani law, I want my TAX rupees back.
apparently raw is doing well, every mosquito bite in pakistan is planned and executed directly or inderectly by RAW.
 
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You Caught his Bigotry Red Handed . I and most of the members failed to see subtle variation of sentence . What a shame .

An indian !

We read news of Muslim Vs Shia riots in India. There was no Gen Zia there, why do you think that happened ?

Bingo the man who started all this

Really ! and there were no riots before 1980s ?
Didn't the Ayatullah @Iran try to subvert in Pakistan ?
Didn't they open terrorist cells in all cities of Paksitan ( Khana-e-Farhang) ...
Didn't the ayatullahs bank roll several Shia dominance projects in Pakistan ?

Wasn't there a Shia armed organization ... 100 marks if you name it ... go on ... you can do it ....


That explains his subtle jab at shias.

Look at this way.
Islam concluded with the prophet's last surmon @ Haj. He held God witness to his duty's fullflment.

Now either a mutation happens at Imam Hussain's death a new version of the same religion is created
Or a mutation happens in Punjab by Qadyan.

Irrespective, both mutations and subsequent evolution and adaptations have led to completely different strains.

Simple principles, history repeating it self in same cycles.
 
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Look at this way.
Islam concluded with the prophet's last surmon @ Haj. He held God witness to his duty's fullflment.

Not either a mutation happens at Imam Hussain's death a new version of the same religion is created
Or a mutation happens in Punjab by Qadyan.

Irrespective, both mutations and subsequent evolution and adaptations have led to completely different strains.

Simple principles, history repeating it self in same cycles.

As long as their Kalima is the same and they do not contradict the Quran they are Muslim. Qadiani do both which is why they are not Muslims while Shia do not ergo they are. I know this because one of my uncle is Shia, the differences are political not theological like those of the heretic qadianis.
 
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These Bastard child's of a Saudi also known as Wahhabi are responsible for all the sectarian hatred all over Pakistan and no one can deny it.

Would you stop labeling all Saudi/Whahhabis as culprit for every sectarian problems in Pakistan and would be also grateful if you not call them bastards.
btw im not whabhi and calling every single of them bastard is like Mirza kaffir declaring every single Muslim a bastard.

"Except for the Children of Prostitutes, whose hearts have been sealed by God, everyone else has accepted me and believes in my Prophethood." (Aina-e-Kamalate Islam, Roohani Khazain vol 5 p.547). . . . .

2. He, who does not believe on Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, is Disobedient to God and Prophet and will go to Hell." (Advertisement by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad dated 25th May 1900)
 
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As long as their Kalima is the same and they do not contradict the Quran they are Muslim. Qadiani do both which is why they are not Muslims while Shia do not ergo they are. I know this because one of my uncle is Shia, the differences are political not theological like those of the heretic qadianis.

I. Mirza Ghulam says (Extracts from Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain, vol 3 pp.114-472):

1. Holy Prophet Mohammed(pbuh) did not understand the meaning of Surah AlZilzal.

2. Other Prophets have also made mistakes and lied. (Mirza trying to justify his false statements and unfulfilled prophecies - Author)

3. Hazrath Mohammad's Revelation also turned out to be wrong.

4. Revelation did not inform Hazrath Mohammad (pbuh) about Ibne Maryam, Dajjal, Khare Dajjal, Yajoog Majoog and Daabatul Ardh.

5. Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya is referred to as the Book of God in various other books by Mirza Ghulam eg. Roohani Khazain vol.22 p.502.

6. " 'Inna Anzalnaaho Qareeban min alQadian wa bil Haq anzalnaahu No doubt we have sent him (Mirza) near Qadian and with truth we have sent him'; . . . this revelation which has been published in Braheene Ahmadiyya as well, is clearly and loudly revealing that the name of Qadian is definitely mentioned in Quran or Hadith as a prophecy."

7. Names of Makkah, Madina and Qadian are mentioned with respect in Holy Quran.

8. Holy Quran is full of obscene words. {Mirza trying to justify his foul language that he used against his opponents

II. Mirza Ghulam claimed that :

1. He was the second advent of Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and better and superior than the first coming (Roohani Khazain vol 16 pp.272)

2. Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has come again in this world as Mirza Ghulam to propagate Islam. (Roohani Khazain vol.17 p.249)

3. Ahmadis should not differentiate between Mirza Ghulam and Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) because "Anyone who differentiate between me and Mustafa (pbuh) has not seen me and not recognized me." (Roohani Khazain vol 16 pp.171).

4. Mirza's WAHI told him : "'Muhammadur Rasoolullah wallazeena ma'ahoo ashiddaohoo' ala alkuffar rohamao bainahum' in this Wahi God has named me Muhammad and Rasoolullah." (Roohani Khazain vol 18 pp.207)


1. Those who join Mirza's Jama'at becomes a SAHABI of Rasoolullah. (Roohani Khazain vol 16 pp.258-259)

2. Since Mirza Ghulam is none other than Holy Prophet Muhmmad (pbuh) himself, therefore when an Ahmadi recites KALIMA TAYYEBAH, by Muhammadur Rasoolullah he means Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. (Kalimat al Fasl by Mirza Basheer Ahmad s/o Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani)

III. From Mirza s/o Chiragh Bibi to Jesus s/o Mary:

1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the son of Chiragh Bibi but he claimed that he is Eisa Ibne Maryam. He said that at first God converted him into Maryam for two years. After two years, God made him pregnant by blowing the soul of Eisa into him; he remained pregnant for 10 months, after whcih God converted him into Eisa. This is how he became Maryam as well as Eisa ibne Maryam. (Rooahni Khazain vol 19 pp. 87-89)

IV. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that:

1. He was Maseel Maseeh that is he has certain qualities which resemled like Eisa ibne Maryam (Roohani Khazain vol 1 p. 593).

2. Hazrat Eisa (pbuh) was the son of Yousuf Najjar (Roohani Khazain vol 3 pp. 254).

3. Hazrat Eisa is dead and he will not come again. (Rooahni Khazain vol.3 p.402)

4. Jesus (Hazrat Eisa) was a habitual liar, had a habit of uttering obscenities, an alcoholic, gluttunous and a wicked person, neither a pious man nor a seeker of truth, he was a proud man and a self-conceited person who claimed divinity. (Roohani Khazain vol 9 p.387, vol.11 p.289).

5. "The fact is that Hazrat Eisa did not perform any miracles." (Roohani Khazain vol 11 p. 290-291)

6. "Three grandmothers of Hazrat Eisa were FORNICATORS and PROSTITUTES, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into being." (Roohani Khazain 11 p.291)

7. "Hazrat Eisa had become insane due to epilepsy." (Roohani Khazain vol 9 p. 417)

8. "I wish Hazrat Eisa had not come in this world." (Roohani Khazain vol 9 p. 417)

9. "I am better than Eisa ibne Maryam." (Roohani Khazain vol 1 p.593)

10. "I have certain qualities resembling Jesus .....my nature and the nature of Jesus resembles so much as if two pieces of the same atom or like two seeds of the same tree." (Roohani Khazain vol.1 p.593)

V. Mirza boasted that:

1. "Quran is God's Book and the words of my mouth." (Advertisment dated 15th March 1897, Roohani Khazain vol 22 p. 87)

2. "I believe in my WAHI as I believe in Quran and Torah." (Roohani Khazain vol.17 p.454)

3. "The basis for our claim is not Hadith but Quran and that WAHI which comes to us. Yes in support we also quote those Hadith which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI. As for the REST OF THE HADITHs, I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER." (Roohani Khazain vol 19 p.140)

4. Bait-ul-Zikr (Mosque adjacent to Bait-ul-Fikr, the room where Mirza Ghulam used to sit and write books) is like Haram-e-Ka'aba, 'Wa man dakhalahoo kaan amina' {and whosoever enters it, is in peace}." (Roohani Khazain vol. 1 p.666-667)

5. Verse [17:1] of Holy Quran: 'Praise be to Allah, who took His Servant on the Night Journey from Masjid Haram to Masjid Aqsa', its real and literal application is the Mosque built by father of Mirza Ghulam. (Collection of Advertisement vol.3 p.286)

[PS: According to Mirza Ghulam, Quran is the words of his mouth , his Mosque is like Haram-e-Kaba and Masjid -e-Aqsa is in Qadian and not in Jerushelm.]

VI. Mirza announced:

1. "I am Adam , I am Noah, I am Abraham, I am Isaac, I am Jacob, I am Ishmael, I am Moses, I am Jesus son of Mary, I am Mohammad SAAW. . ." (Roohani Khazain vol 22, p.521)

2. "True God is the one who has sent his Messenger in Qadian." (Roohani Khazain vol.18 p.231)

VII. Mirza declared that:

1. "Except for the Children of Prostitutes, whose hearts have been sealed by God, everyone else has accepted me and believes in my Prophethood." (Aina-e-Kamalate Islam, Roohani Khazain vol 5 p.547). . . . .

2. He, who does not believe on Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, is Disobedient to God and Prophet and will go to Hell." (Advertisement by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad dated 25th May 1900)

3. I am the "Self-implanted/Self-cultivated Seedling " of the British Government. "Government should take great care regarding this SELF-IMPLANTED SEEDLING . . . . .should instruct its officers to treat ME and MY JAMA'AT with special kindness and favours. Our family has never hesitated in shedding their blood in the way of British Rulers and did not stop from laying down their lives neither do they hesitate now." (Roohani Khazain vol.13 p.350)

4. "From my early age till now when I am 65 years of age, I have been engaged , with my pen and tongue, in an important task to turn the hearts of Muslims towards the true love & Goodwill & sympathy for the British Government and to obliterate the idea of Jehad from the hearts of stupid (Muslims). " (Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol 13 p.350)

5. " . . . . for the sake of British Government, I have published & distributed 50,000 leaflets in this country (India) other Islamic countries(against jehad). . . . the result is that hundreds of thousands of people have given up their ****** ideas about Jihad." (Roohani Khazain vol 15 p.114)
 
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As long as their Kalima is the same and they do not contradict the Quran they are Muslim. Qadiani do both which is why they are not Muslims while Shia do not ergo they are. I know this because one of my uncle is Shia, the differences are political not theological like those of the heretic qadianis.

Godspeed !

do double check on all those points before you go to sleep.
I doubt all of them are as you listed.

In the infamous Munir Report of 1954, Justice Munir noted that none of the learned Islamic scholars representing their respective sects came to agree upon a single, universal definition of who was a Muslim (and who was not). This results in a situation where if we are Muslim by the standard of one sect’s definition, we are considered kafir by the rest of the definitions
 
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