Ousted Prime Minister Imran Khan Arrested: News and Discussion

[Dr. Strangelove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1661467938463920129

 

[Jango]

Agree He knows it too that's why he will never leave the country. Establishment is on the hitlist of the Nation. The Hate i see is never Going away and the Pre April 22 Status the armed forces held is history now. Opinions in Pakistan are created in the spaces like Tick tock, Twitter and Facebook. All the visuals are not going away.

Our establishment, and politcians, have still not woken up to that. Their strategy to dealing with the modern media is still the same as the 90's. Make every channel hostage, force newspapers and others to write what you want. All the media is right now ISPR TV.

For social media they are also using the same strategy. That just does not work. You have to be smart with social media. People in villages don't watch TV anymore, they watch TikTok and Youtube.

My Reasoning for an October deal is get the Party organized. Already the Establishment is selling Munjan for Reimagining Pakistan with Muftah, Abbasi and Mustafa Khokhar. They will create another party to try to Divide PTIs vote, But they are making a mistake by using the known faces. TLP lost its support base due to its association with the Army. If PTI Sticks to its ideology its workers have already seen jails and tyranny Even if Khan dies leading them if his ideology remains at the center of their discourse they will win election in a landslide. No matter how much they delay this election they cant get any thing right. Economy will remain in taters another even a bailout wont help either people don't trust the state anymore. Overseas will keep a tight control on remittance most in West will get their families out. The millions of skilled labor that will fly away over the next few years will do the same. I and my friends all intend to get our families out and sell everything we have here. My Juniors and the rest of my circle intends to do the same, No point living in a State that treats you like an enemy for just demanding you rights,

The Next Election as I see will have a turnover in high 80s no matter how much rigging they do they will loose.

I disagree that Khokhar etc are estab spawns. Their reasons are different for leaving. Shahid Khaqan will go back to mainstream N as soon as Nawaz Sharif comes back.

Your correct but what other option does he have? From a principle point of view he should not give up and follow a do or die situation but from a political point of view he needs to save his party, party workers and wait a few years and then make a comeback (if possible)

Well then you have to stand for your principles...that's the whole point. There is no strategic retreat here.

How can he back off from the establishment when they're attacking his party with full force? The establishment will not back down unless IK leaves the party and hands it over to the executive committe, they will then select a new leader and send the message to the establishment that were willing to change and work with you for a better Pakistan. If the establishment is willing to make amends then atleast Pti can start to rebuild the party based on mistakes they made, try not to upset the establishment, make agreements on foreign, internal policy etc.

That is why he needs to talk to everyone and cut a deal of sorts, if he wants to go down this road.

The biggest question is can PTI survive after a heavy crackdown? Can PTI still keep the same ideology or will they become another PDM? If PTI can survive and will not give up then by all means IK should continue, let another 20,000 be in jails but still fight till victory.

The issue I see is in Pakistan we only follow personalities but not an ideology, you can crackdown for 20 years but the ideology lives on, you can create another party but ideology will be the same, change leadership but ideology will be the same. Is this the same case for PTI?

I do think PTI will survive. PPP and PML survived, in a much more pro-estab environment. Right now he does have grassroots public support. That's the thing.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

I do think PTI will survive. PPP and PML survived, in a much more pro-estab environment. Right now he does have grassroots public support. That's the thing.

Another Thing I should add and often tell my elders and they always hate it. Every year we add 5 million new voters and we bury 2 million of you boomers. You will never win this war of attrition and people of Pakistan will win in the end. In the next 5 years alone we will have 25 million new voters You cant sell your munjan to the current generation let alone these guys.

 

[Jango]

Another Thing I should add and often tell my elders and they always hate it. Every year we add 5 million new voters and we bury 2 million of you boomers. You will never win this war of attrition and people of Pakistan will win in the end. In the next 5 years alone we will have 25 million new voters You cant sell your munjan to the current generation let alone these guys.

I agree.

I've often said this, jo bachay IK kay 2013 kay jalsay main 15/16 saal kay thay, ya 10 saal kay thay, all of them are now of voting age. They have been seeing Khan go against PDM since 10 years. You think that by these measures you can sway that voter?

I've got multiple family members jo us waqt bachay thay, and now they are staunch PTI. Go figure!

 

[Xerec]

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

I agree.

I've often said this, jo bachay IK kay 2013 kay jalsay main 15/16 saal kay thay, ya 10 saal kay thay, all of them are now of voting age. They have been seeing Khan go against PDM since 10 years. You think that by these measures you can sway that voter?

I've got multiple family members jo us waqt bachay thay, and now they are staunch PTI. Go figure!

Boomers never listen to youngsters and that will be their ultimate downfall.

 

[truthseeker2010]

I agree.

I've often said this, jo bachay IK kay 2013 kay jalsay main 15/16 saal kay thay, ya 10 saal kay thay, all of them are now of voting age. They have been seeing Khan go against PDM since 10 years. You think that by these measures you can sway that voter?

I've got multiple family members jo us waqt bachay thay, and now they are staunch PTI. Go figure!

Go figure what those kids will have for the khaki for the rest of their lives.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

@RescueRanger Bro where are you.? I hope your absence is only due to depression and not Black Vigo.

 

[Asimzranger]

@RescueRanger Bro where are you.? I hope your absence is only due to depression and not Black Vigo.

I think its about his relative he talked about him been abducted, May Allah Help everyone and make ease in their hardships and punishment on All the evil ones.

 

[ghazi52]

Wajahat S. Khan
@WajSKhan

Hate to say it, but things are not looking good for Imran Khan

His deputies have resigned

His workers arrested

PTI faces a permanent ban

Khan faces arrest or exile

But all that could change

Even if does, one thing is certain:

The Pakistan Army will remain supreme

I debate if the Army needs reforms

 

[Asimzranger]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1661292149390934017

 

[PakAlp]

That is why he needs to talk to everyone and cut a deal of sorts, if he wants to go down this road.

Imran Khan is ready but the establishment is not, they believe they have the upper hand so are using full force. CJ is also encouraging the parties to sit down but PDM is not, Fazlur Rehman wants Pti gone because Pti destroyed his powerbase in Kpk.

PTI under an executive committe with new leader looks like the best option, sell it to the establishment that Pti is willing to backtrack from the anti establishment narrative etc.

I do think PTI will survive. PPP and PML survived, in a much more pro-estab environment. Right now he does have grassroots public support. That's the thing.

PPP survived but its a complete different party than the Bhutto PPP, bhutto family was sidelined and Zardari overtook it, made a new ideology - corruption. Pml was Pakistan nationalist Allama Iqbal and Qaid Muhammad Ali Jinnah party, its again a complete different party full of corruption and ready to sell themselves.

Its very frustrating time for Pakistanis.

@RescueRanger Bro where are you.? I hope your absence is only due to depression and not Black Vigo.

May Allah azzawajal make it easy for him.

 

[Sal12]

How is situation in KPK. Is the same barbarism, torture and naked aggression happening there against civilians by KPK police and its handlers what we are witnessing here in Punjab.

 

[Riea]

Only sudden arrival of mehdi himself can save imran now.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

How is situation in KPK. Is the same barbarism, torture and naked aggression happening there against civilians by KPK police and its handlers what we are witnessing here in Punjab.

Compared to Punjab it's a safe place police is not that keen on becoming Establishments pet dogs like in Punjab and PTI Leadership is successfully hiding and operating from underground.