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1) What if India does not use strategic nukes and just withdraw.

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2) What if as a response to TNWs, India launches an all out conventional and nuke attack on Pakistan, effectively taking out 60-80% of Pakistan launch capabilities. Rest of the nukes will be handled by ABMs. So how credible is Pakistan second strike capabilities?

Seems it is assured victory for India if Pak uses TNWs. :D

1)... Problem solved for that period of time.

2). What assurances are there that Pakistan is not sitting on Alert 5 minutes with that. And the idea that 60-80% is pure imagination.. these are not ICBMs in Silos.. these are road mobile systems that could be anywhere at any time. As far as downplaying the effectiveness of the nuclear delivery mechanisms.. sure... you can assure yourself.. to me that "guess" has the same worth as Malaika Sherawat delivering a lecture on modesty.
 
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Careful there! Major cities or destruction of PA capabilities may be nuclear threshold for full nuclear launch by Pakistan. Smaller cities UNDER THREAT may launch tactical nukes before IA even comes close to them.

I wouldn't bet fate of my people if I have doubt about even single nuclear weapon of my enemy. Second Strike capability of Pakistan is acknowledged to be credible by all major think tanks. And probably Pakistan is growing fastest in the world has a good reason for that.

You don't take chances with nuclear weapons, trust me it's not a bar wager!

Noooooooooooooooo.

I am not saying IA throw nukes at Pak.

I am just mocking TNWs. See the theory is PA throws TNWs at IA when IA enters Pak. The idea is that this would kill the Indian advance.

So if PA uses nukes on its own on Pak soil, it cannot accuse India. And if IA withdraw after the TNWs strike, it will leave a Pakistan nuked by its own army. IA has no role in this.

So no strategic nukes come into picture here. Pak people would beat the hell out of Ganja though. :D

1)... Problem solved for that period of time.

Ok so ignore scenario 2. Lets assume Pak has the necessary 2nd strike capability.
But for 1st scenario, it PA ready to accept Nukes on Pak territory while IA has withdrawn?

Coz if thats true then IA can enter Pakistan Kashmir, allow PA to throw TNWs while throwing some of its own TNWs on terror camps. So have all militants killed by PA/IA Nukes. Then IA can withdraw. In all this the IA will save most of the Nukes from falling on IA by using battlefield ABMs.
 
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Yes thats interesting. IA will enter all major Pak. cities. Pak nukes all of them. IA comes back.

lol what just happened. Pak nuked itself. :rofl: hee hee.

All their cities is a huge stretch. India can and will and must (in terms of calculus) enter only one major urban population. From there its negotiation time and graded pull backs and exchanges of territory.

THAT is what they are most afraid of. THAT is what our recent exercises have been concentrating on. Thread the needle. Eye of the tiger.

to me that "guess" has the same worth as Malaika Sherawat delivering a lecture on modesty.


Old school! :tup:
 
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Why will India need to Nuke Pakistan, if PA is going to Nuke Pakistan on its own.

Good job TNWs and those who created them. :D
 
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Ok so ignore scenario 2. Lets assume Pak has the necessary 2nd strike capability.
But for 1st scenario, it PA ready to accept Nukes on Pak territory while IA has withdrawn?

Coz if thats true then IA can enter Pakistan Kashmir, and have all militants killed by PA Nukes. Then IA can withdraw.

That assumption is as simplistic as assuming that a ball will roll down straight on an uneven surface.

There are prerequisites on what territory is to be entered and what not. IA "entering" Azad Kashmir is easier said than done... that terrain poses a lot of challenges against an entrenched enemy. The territory to be grabbed lies near the shallower points of the LoC.. and the working boundary area.. that essentially gives the ability to secure the areas heading towards Kashmir.. the other is land towards the mid Punjab areas. If India is withdrawing.. what is the use of the nuke? Unless you are assuming that the nuke will come on a horse and take 2 hours to get to where it needs to go.. nuclear weapons are mounted on missiles which travel rather fast if you aware. And a column is not composed of F1 cars that it will speed away so quickly.

The second sentence is rather laughable and I refuse to comment on it.

Why will India need to Nuke Pakistan, if PA is going to Nuke Pakistan on its own.

Good job TNWs and those who created them. :D

That understanding comes from a poor comprehension of what deterrent policies are and what they entail.
 
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That assumption is as simplistic as assuming that a ball will roll down straight on an uneven surface.

There are prerequisites on what territory is to be entered and what not. IA "entering" Azad Kashmir is easier said than done... that terrain poses a lot of challenges against an entrenched enemy. The territory to be grabbed lies near the shallower points of the LoC.. and the working boundary area.. that essentially gives the ability to secure the areas heading towards Kashmir.. the other is land towards the mid Punjab areas. If India is withdrawing.. what is the use of the nuke? Unless you are assuming that the nuke will come on a horse and take 2 hours to get to where it needs to go.. nuclear weapons are mounted on missiles which travel rather fast if you aware. And a column is not composed of F1 cars that it will speed away so quickly.

The second sentence is rather laughable and I refuse to comment on it.



That understanding comes from a poor comprehension of what deterrent policies are and what they entail.

Lets first agree IA can enter inside Pak. Otherwise there is no need for TNWs. So If IA enters it will not simply withdraw on its own. There needs to be some serious reason to think of not going further. That reason in this case is TNWs. But these TNWs will burst on Pak soil, isn't it?

Lets say IA (obviously there will be huge casualties to IA and PA both) decides it is not worth going forward, and now withdraws the remaining men and equipment from Pak back to India. But by now Pak has already launched several TNWs on Pakistan itself. So what will Pakistan do now.

India took casualties on IA. Pak took casualties on PA (and militants if area is Paksitan Kashmir), and also nuked Pakistan itself. So what do you say, is PA nuking Pakistan itself to halt IA advance acceptable damage to Pakistanis?

I have no problems with it. I mean India's loss is minimal. While Pakistan ends up Nuking itself. This is 100% a plausible scenario. No one can deny it. Thats what you guys are claiming from rooftops that you will attack advancing Indian columns INSIDE Pakistan by TNWs.

I see this as a great victory for India. ;)
 
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Our nuclear nightmare - Rizwan Asghar

If you ever ask nuclear advocates in our strategic community why Pakistan is going down the dangerous road leading towards the development of tactical nuclear weapons (TNWs), the most logical explanation could be a description of the threats emanating from India’s Cold Start Doctrine (CSD).

The CSD is basically a strategy to execute a ‘limited war under a nuclear overhang’; the Indian army has been working on it since 2004. Although the Indians deny the existence of the CSD, the Indian army has repeatedly conducted military exercises to operationalise it.

In order to counter this provocative doctrine, the Pakistani military has developed a short-range nuclear system to dissuade India from contemplating any ‘limited’ strike against our country. However, according to many experts, India’s CSD and the Pakistani move towards TNWs have significantly raised the dangers of nuclear escalation between the two countries. TNWs, as opposed to strategic nuclear weapons, are aimed at ‘counter force targets’ and their deployment is much more convenient than that of strategic nuclear weapons.

Pakistan’s nuclear establishment is of the view that the development of TNWs is designed to ensure ‘full-spectrum deterrence’ when the strategic environment in South Asia is rapidly shifting. It is further hoped that TNWs will substantially strengthen Pakistan’s deterrence abilities. However, there is no strong evidence to suggest that these tactical weapons are really necessary for minimal, credible deterrence.

The small size of TNWs add little to deterrence and only the threat of ‘massive nuclear retaliation’ can stop India from launching limited conventional strikes. If India is not deterred from nuclear attack by 100-plus warheads, it is difficult to understand how a few tactical weapons will make any difference. The Indian armed forces have also repeatedly warned that the Indian nuclear doctrine makes no distinction between tactical and strategic weapons. Even a limited Pakistani nuclear attack would be met with massive nuclear retaliation.

The truth is that Pakistani nuclear experts have rarely, if ever, tried to examine the utility of developing battlefield nuclear weapons. In actuality, the deployment of TNWs will be detrimental to deterrence stability in the region, making the unauthorised use of nuclear weapons more probable. In my opinion, the idea of developing battlefield nuclear weapons seems an ‘overreaction’ to an impractical Cold Start strategy. The CSD is a non-starter as it assumes a capability for high-tech combined-arms warfare that India cannot acquire in the near future.

Many western analysts are afraid that the continuing expansion of India’s and Pakistan’s nuclear capabilities increases the chance of any small conflict escalating into a full-blown nuclear war in South Asia. Because some non-strategic nuclear weapons are deployed against the conventional forces in the battlefield, they enhance the risk of such escalation.

For almost a decade after the 1998 nuclear tests, Pakistan’s nuclear establishment aimed to have only enough weapons for maintaining a ‘credible minimum deterrent’ because we could not waste massive resources to engage in a nuclear arms race with India. However, during the past five years, the nuclear security managers have forgotten the aim of maintaining a ‘modest’ nuclear arsenal.

Some nuclear advocates in Pakistan make out a case that the policy of developing TNWs is similar to Nato’s nuclear posture towards the Soviet Union during the first two decades of the cold war. However, these nuclear advocates not only ignore the many problems of escalation control faced by Nato at that time but also use an analogy that is highly misleading and mistaken in many key aspects.

By the 1960s, it was acknowledged by Nato officials that the use of TNWs could not avert defeat and even their limited use would completely devastate their own territories. The US joint chiefs of staff concluded in their first study of nuclear weapons in 1945: “The atomic bomb...will be primarily a strategic weapon of destruction against concentrated industrial areas vital to the war effort of the enemy nation...On the other hand, the atomic bomb is not in general a tactical weapon suitable for employment against ground forces...because they normally offer targets too widely dispersed to justify the use of a weapon of such limited availability and great cost.”

This shows that if the US military failed to develop a workable force structure to employ TNWs, Pakistan’s nuclear establishment could not be expected to have any genius to perform this miracle.

It is so far unclear if Pakistan will use short-range nuclear weapons to annihilate advancing Indian troops near our big cities. Such an attack would turn Pakistan’s densely populated agricultural heartland into a nuclear wasteland and also cause serious radiation damage to other parts of the country. This was a major reason the idea of employing these weapons against any Soviet advance was eventually abandoned by Nato countries. The fact is that the atomic bomb, in fact, cannot be effectively used as a tactical weapon. The current approach of our nuclear establishment foolishly assumes that if thousands of Indian troops move into Pakistani territory, we can use these weapons against them without killing our own citizens.

Both countries can afford neither Cold Start-type doctrines nor battlefield nuclear weapons. Pakistan should take immediate steps to eliminate tactical weapons and instead focus on its ‘internal’ security challenges. Today, our economy is only one-seventh of India’s and our financial position is rapidly in decline. The government should spend more money on uplifting the economic situation of the people than on misconceived strategies. Finally, our civilian government also needs to play a role in determining the overall military strategy. In the words of George Clemensau: “war is too serious a matter to be left to military generals”.


We cant let these idiots turn Punjab[East & West] into a nuclear wasteland
 
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Noooooooooooooooo.

I am not saying IA throw nukes at Pak.

I am just mocking TNWs. See the theory is PA throws TNWs at IA when IA enters Pak. The idea is that this would kill the Indian advance.

So if PA uses nukes on its own on Pak soil, it cannot accuse India. And if IA withdraw after the TNWs strike, it will leave a Pakistan nuked by its own army. IA has no role in this.

So no strategic nukes come into picture here. Pak people would beat the hell out of Ganja though. :D



Ok so ignore scenario 2. Lets assume Pak has the necessary 2nd strike capability.
But for 1st scenario, it PA ready to accept Nukes on Pak territory while IA has withdrawn?

Coz if thats true then IA can enter Pakistan Kashmir, allow PA to throw TNWs while throwing some of its own TNWs on terror camps. So have all militants killed by PA/IA Nukes. Then IA can withdraw. In all this the IA will save most of the Nukes from falling on IA by using battlefield ABMs.

Tactical Nukes do not wipe out entire areas or populations. Thus the idea of using them on own soil. Yield is too limited and effected area closer to Ground Zero.

Kashmir terrain does not provide any chance of rapid military maneuver so IA will be painfully slow to advance if it does at all. That's not the idea. Indian Government's stance that we will react with full nuclear force if TNW are used even inside Pakistan territory, should give you an idea that how much will they hurt IA. Think over it!

If Pakistan's population is to suffer only, their response will be to act indifferent but its not! There will be no IA in existence to withdraw back. So they have to threaten full nuclear retaliation. And so on...

In the end thinking a nuclear exchange is thinking the unthinkable. We might casually rant on internet about it (we really shouldn't) but in the end it is destruction of humanity on both sides. I shiver at the idea of what entire region will look like if it happens.
 
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The article skips one important narrative and hence ignores the very PURPOSE of the TNWs. The TNWs are NOT there to stop India's columns more than they are to provoke India into using its own weapons... weapons that escalate all the way into total conflict where nuclear weapons are dropped on Indian cities and here as well. Mutually Assured Destruction.

He might have ignored that point because he only talks about Limited war in short period not all out war
 
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Lets first agree IA can enter inside Pak. Otherwise there is no need for TNWs. So If IA enters it will not simply withdraw on its own. There needs to be some serious reason to think of not going further. That reason in this case is TNWs. But these TNWs will burst on Pak soil, isn't it?

Lets say IA (obviously there will be huge casualties to IA and PA both) decides it is not worth going forward, and now withdraws the remaining men and equipment from Pak back to India. But by now Pak has already launched several TNWs on Pakistan itself. So what will Pakistan do now.

India took casualties on IA. Pak took casualties on PA (and militants if area is Paksitan Kashmir), and also nuked Pakistan itself. So what do you say, is PA nuking Pakistan itself to halt IA advance acceptable damage to Pakistanis?

I have no problems with it. I mean India's loss is minimal. While Pakistan ends up Nuking itself.
1. Dislodging PA or the NLI from Kashmir will be extremely difficult and a long drawn affair, besides being extremely costly. Plus, the Pakistan Forces are disciplined, well trained and extremely well entrenched. (Though in the South it's weak to in some places, almost non existant) India won't ever attack across the Kashmir area, without infiltrating the area extensively or having some super weapon. The avenues of entry will be to the South - in the Sialkot Rawalpindi axis for example.

2. Pakistan has a tendency and even a desire for a Gotterdamerung and an inexplicable desire to take India down no matter what the cost - by MAD. So I will not take the TNWs or the threats to use them so lightly. India should prepare counter measures and prepare for the worst eventuality.
 
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Our nuclear nightmare - Rizwan Asghar

If you ever ask nuclear advocates in our strategic community why Pakistan is going down the dangerous road leading towards the development of tactical nuclear weapons (TNWs), the most logical explanation could be a description of the threats emanating from India’s Cold Start Doctrine (CSD).

The CSD is basically a strategy to execute a ‘limited war under a nuclear overhang’; the Indian army has been working on it since 2004. Although the Indians deny the existence of the CSD, the Indian army has repeatedly conducted military exercises to operationalise it.

In order to counter this provocative doctrine, the Pakistani military has developed a short-range nuclear system to dissuade India from contemplating any ‘limited’ strike against our country. However, according to many experts, India’s CSD and the Pakistani move towards TNWs have significantly raised the dangers of nuclear escalation between the two countries. TNWs, as opposed to strategic nuclear weapons, are aimed at ‘counter force targets’ and their deployment is much more convenient than that of strategic nuclear weapons.

Pakistan’s nuclear establishment is of the view that the development of TNWs is designed to ensure ‘full-spectrum deterrence’ when the strategic environment in South Asia is rapidly shifting. It is further hoped that TNWs will substantially strengthen Pakistan’s deterrence abilities. However, there is no strong evidence to suggest that these tactical weapons are really necessary for minimal, credible deterrence.

The small size of TNWs add little to deterrence and only the threat of ‘massive nuclear retaliation’ can stop India from launching limited conventional strikes. If India is not deterred from nuclear attack by 100-plus warheads, it is difficult to understand how a few tactical weapons will make any difference. The Indian armed forces have also repeatedly warned that the Indian nuclear doctrine makes no distinction between tactical and strategic weapons. Even a limited Pakistani nuclear attack would be met with massive nuclear retaliation.

The truth is that Pakistani nuclear experts have rarely, if ever, tried to examine the utility of developing battlefield nuclear weapons. In actuality, the deployment of TNWs will be detrimental to deterrence stability in the region, making the unauthorised use of nuclear weapons more probable. In my opinion, the idea of developing battlefield nuclear weapons seems an ‘overreaction’ to an impractical Cold Start strategy. The CSD is a non-starter as it assumes a capability for high-tech combined-arms warfare that India cannot acquire in the near future.

Many western analysts are afraid that the continuing expansion of India’s and Pakistan’s nuclear capabilities increases the chance of any small conflict escalating into a full-blown nuclear war in South Asia. Because some non-strategic nuclear weapons are deployed against the conventional forces in the battlefield, they enhance the risk of such escalation.

For almost a decade after the 1998 nuclear tests, Pakistan’s nuclear establishment aimed to have only enough weapons for maintaining a ‘credible minimum deterrent’ because we could not waste massive resources to engage in a nuclear arms race with India. However, during the past five years, the nuclear security managers have forgotten the aim of maintaining a ‘modest’ nuclear arsenal.

Some nuclear advocates in Pakistan make out a case that the policy of developing TNWs is similar to Nato’s nuclear posture towards the Soviet Union during the first two decades of the cold war. However, these nuclear advocates not only ignore the many problems of escalation control faced by Nato at that time but also use an analogy that is highly misleading and mistaken in many key aspects.

By the 1960s, it was acknowledged by Nato officials that the use of TNWs could not avert defeat and even their limited use would completely devastate their own territories. The US joint chiefs of staff concluded in their first study of nuclear weapons in 1945: “The atomic bomb...will be primarily a strategic weapon of destruction against concentrated industrial areas vital to the war effort of the enemy nation...On the other hand, the atomic bomb is not in general a tactical weapon suitable for employment against ground forces...because they normally offer targets too widely dispersed to justify the use of a weapon of such limited availability and great cost.”

This shows that if the US military failed to develop a workable force structure to employ TNWs, Pakistan’s nuclear establishment could not be expected to have any genius to perform this miracle.

It is so far unclear if Pakistan will use short-range nuclear weapons to annihilate advancing Indian troops near our big cities. Such an attack would turn Pakistan’s densely populated agricultural heartland into a nuclear wasteland and also cause serious radiation damage to other parts of the country. This was a major reason the idea of employing these weapons against any Soviet advance was eventually abandoned by Nato countries. The fact is that the atomic bomb, in fact, cannot be effectively used as a tactical weapon. The current approach of our nuclear establishment foolishly assumes that if thousands of Indian troops move into Pakistani territory, we can use these weapons against them without killing our own citizens.

Both countries can afford neither Cold Start-type doctrines nor battlefield nuclear weapons. Pakistan should take immediate steps to eliminate tactical weapons and instead focus on its ‘internal’ security challenges. Today, our economy is only one-seventh of India’s and our financial position is rapidly in decline. The government should spend more money on uplifting the economic situation of the people than on misconceived strategies. Finally, our civilian government also needs to play a role in determining the overall military strategy. In the words of George Clemensau: “war is too serious a matter to be left to military generals”.

Looks like our Pakistani friends are too eager for a Nuclear war
 
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Written by a Pathetic Pakistani.... and B please stop brain farting... no one is going to invade the land of pure...

Ya ya,.... we don't want a single pakistani atom bomb in our nation, that's why we havn't invaded your country... see we're already seeing what these Single Atom bombs are doing to your country
written by Foolish hindu indian i am not surprised i know it is painful for you you cant invade kashmir you have 12 lakh army there how much army would take you to invade pakistan you fool your army is good only for raping people of india but you dont have eyes to see that grow up dont act like a child
 
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Tactical Nukes do not wipe out entire areas or populations. This the idea of using them on own soil. Yield is too limited and effected area closer to Ground Zero.

Kashmir terrain does not provide any chance of rapid military maneuver so IA will be painfully slow to advance if it does at all. That's not the idea. Indian Government's stance that we will react with full nuclear force if TNW are used even inside Pakistan territory should give you an idea that how much will they hurt IA. Think over it!

If Pakistan's population is to suffer only their response will be to act indifferent but its not! There will be no IA in existence to withdraw back. So they have to threaten full nuclear retaliation. And so on...

In the end thinking a nuclear exchange is thinking the unthinkable. We might casually rant on internet about it (we really shouldn't) but in the end it is destruction of humanity in both sides. I shiver at the idea of what entire region will look like it it happens.

Forget Kashmir. If IA enters from Punjab side then it will soon be into populated areas of Pakistan.

IA is a very big force. You cannot think that 100% IA will be required to enter into Pak.

So in summary,

- any nukes you use will kill Pakistanis as well.
- the affected are will be inside Pakistan.
- Only the part of IA which enters would face massive casualty. Its not gonna finish IA in no manner.
- IA will use its own TNWs to inflict massive casualty on PA. While will again affect Pak lands only.

TNWs kills many PA soldiers, infects Pak lands only. The part of IA that enters Pak takes huge casualty.After this there is a ceasefile while you guys have to handle the Nuked Pak areas for decades.

So what do you say now? Acceptable?

1. Dislodging PA or the NLI from Kashmir will be extremely difficult and a long drawn affair, besides being extremely costly. Plus, the Pakistan Forces are disciplined, well trained and extremely well entrenched. (Though in the South it's weak to in some places, almost non existant) India won't ever attack across the Kashmir area, without infiltrating the area extensively or having some super weapon. The avenues of entry will be to the South - in the Sialkot Rawalpindi axis for example.

2. Pakistan has a tendency and even a desire for a Gotterdamerung and an inexplicable desire to take India down no matter what the cost - by MAD. So I will not take the TNWs or the threats to use them so lightly. India should prepare counter measures and prepare for the worst eventuality.

Lets take Sialkot-Rawapindi area for assumption.

The Pak experts say use of TNWs will not lead to strategic response from India, coz the nukes are used on Pakistani soil. And if india is not to use strategic Nukes there is not going to be MAD.

So i am only going by their assumptions here. I am not adding anything on my own.

So what if IA enters and PA nukes its own areas. IA does not use strategic nukes (as Pak thinks and as Nukes are not used on India). What if IA really agrees for ceasefile without using strategic nukes and hence avoiding MAD. So what happens to the areas in Pakistan nuked by Pak itself. Acceptable?
 
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2. Pakistan has a tendency and even a desire for a Gotterdamerung and an inexplicable desire to take India down no matter what the cost - by MAD. So I will not take the TNWs or the threats to use them so lightly. India should prepare counter measures and prepare for the worst eventuality.

I would not be that sure either, chances are.. that in case it goes beyond a week with Pakistan losing ground and no international brokered ceasefire.. then either Pakistan will offer concessional stand down conditions(give over "charity" leaders/ Bhai Mian and so on) or perhaps call it a day and settle with India's terms. The problem that has kept India at bay is this.. first.. its equipment and training were not yet up to the mark to execute its plans.. the equipment and plans for the Sunderji doctrine based strategy are now outdated or in need of dire replacement.. and those for the new flexible IBG doctrine have at least five or more years to implement fully from today(7-1-2015)... and second.. and this is more important bit.. is the very high chance that even if 80% of the PA corps commanders and civvy leadership(depending on the state) agree to a surrender.. there is strong(95%) chance that a 20% might force a rapid coup and launch the nukes as the last hoorah.

The less astute idiots from your nation and mine blabbering about aside, the result of what will assuredly be a massive nuclear exchange the losses that India will sustain.. are too much of a gamble for the Indian leadership(at least in its present military preparedness) to take.

So what if IA enters and PA nukes its own areas. IA does not use strategic nukes (as Pak thinks). IA simply agrees for ceasefile. So what happens to the areas in Pakistan nuked by Pak itself. Acceptable?

Quite acceptable to the Pakistani leadership. You are forgetting that this is a nation that was ingrained with a victory in what was a ceasefire in a most desperate situation in 65 despite being the initiator of the conflict and/or losing more territory.

On the subject.. an earlier post on the "nightmare".
Pakistan to have 200 nuclear weapons by 2020: US think tank | Page 6



Whats the current yield of ur bombs,any idea??[/QUOTE]

Varies from battlefield ranges 5-15kt to more strategic sizes with anything from 100kt to whatever maximum weight the missiles or aircraft can carry. Variable yield is not available for the battlefield nuclear systems but a few warheads may have been kitted out for it.

Your post regarding 50 nukes is correct, but at the same time.. idiots who argue that all of India needs to be hit or that all of Pakistan need to be hit for a critical hit are.. well idiots. For the US and USSR it made sense to cover such large areas and hence have the large amount of warheads they have. Considering the geography of India and Pakistan, population centres and the strength of the state to respond to(in terms of disaster management and recovery) .. Pakistan will always need MORE nuclear weapons than India to ENSURE that the Indian state is unable to ever return to normalcy or continue as a single cohesive entity. It is that calculation that goes into the number of nuclear weapons you keep, not exacting in sq km of the entire geographical mass of the country.

Pakistan on the other hand is the target of 20 to 25 odd strikes on its major population centres to essentially end the state of Pakistan. Again, this will NOT stop nuclear warheads from being lobbed at India till they run out...but Pakistan will cease to exist as a state.

Wiki has a rather good article on the effects of nuclear explosions. Effects of nuclear explosions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lets look at a different angle, from the views of a limited nuclear conflagration. Same limited number of bombs are lobbed at each other and then nations decide to back off under international and internal pressure/shock: There was a study carried out jointly by a US Environmental NGO known as NRDC along with professors at Princeton..so the credentials of the study should be pretty well acceptable. I will only paste the excerpts relevant to the post.
Zia Mian - The Program on Science and Global Security
M.V. Ramana - The Program on Science and Global Security
Abdul Hameed Nayyar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They have only targeted the Northwestern Indian cities due to their understanding of Pakistan's nuclear attack capabilities. Considering the study is now 13 years old and the capabilities of both nations are much more advanced and thorough.. it cannot be taken as but a reflection of a likely scenario. Their take on the results of a limited nuclear exchange of 24 ground explosions is as follows.
For the second scenario, we calculated the fallout patterns and casualties for a hypothetical nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan in which each country targeted major cities. We chose target cities throughout Pakistan and in northwestern India to take into account the limited range of Pakistani missiles or aircraft. The target cities, listed in the table below, include the capitals of Islamabad and New Dehli, and large cities, such as Karachi and Bombay. In this scenario, we assumed that a dozen, 25-kiloton warheads would be detonated as ground bursts in Pakistan and another dozen in India, producing substantial fallout.

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NRDC calculated that 22.1 million people in India and Pakistan would be exposed to lethal radiation doses of 600 rem or more in the first two days after the attack. Another 8 million people would receive a radiation dose of 100 to 600 rem, causing severe radiation sickness and potentially death, especially for the very young, old or infirm. NRDC calculates that as many as 30 million people would be threatened by the fallout from the attack, roughly divided between the two countries.

Besides fallout, blast and fire would cause substantial destruction within roughly a mile-and-a-half of the bomb craters. NRDC estimates that 8.1 million people live within this radius of destruction.

Most Indians (99 percent of the population) and Pakistanis (93 percent of the population) would survive the second scenario. Their respective military forces would be still be intact to continue and even escalate the conflict.

Study:NRDC: The Consequences of Nuclear Conflict between India and Pakistan

The last line is an interesting point to note. That even with such major attacks, both India and Pakistan are seen as continuing to survive the conflict and still attacking each other(this bears hints to the Sunderji doctrine and brasstacks with its practising NBC warfare). The study naturally states it well that while India will lose more people, it accounts for a lesser percentage of the population than Pakistan.

One thing to note however is that while the NRDC believed that both states would continue with the "limited" scenario, I have my doubts regarding Pakistan. The reason for this is that the NRDC study was carried out in 2001 during a relativly stable government and very little impact of terrorism and extremism in Pakistan. Today there is a lot more polarization along with sectarian and ethnic strife that may lead to "warlords" coming out in the open to declare war within Pakistan within a few years of a limited yet devastating nuclear strike.

Which brings us back to why 200 warheads. This scenario is well understood by the Pakistani state and hence the focus is more and more on sending a covert overt message to the other side that any future conflict will no longer be limited. Pakistan is willing and able to commit suicide rather than die a horrible slow death. With more developed delivery systems with greater range to target all but the farthest of Indian cities, Pakistan will ensure that the devastation to India and Indian ecology is sufficient enough to .. rather dismally.. ensure a horrible life for the surviving Indian state and its people. Again, it is VERY likely that even in this all out conflict most of Indian and Pakistani population will survive.

But you dont need 2000 to have a very damaging or fatal effect on the Indian state. Just enough to kill a substantial number of the population. And then again, there are various studies which show exactly how even a "limited" conflict will result in a disaster which plays not one year, not five year.. but will plague the subcontinent, China, the Middle east...and Central Asia for decades to come.
Five Millions Tons of Smoke in the Stratosphere | Nuclear Darkness & Nuclear Famine
 
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Quite acceptable to the Pakistani leadership. You are forgetting that this is a nation that was ingrained with a victory in what was a ceasefire in a most desperate situation in 65 despite being the initiator of the conflict and/or losing more territory.

But isn't this a massive price to pay. The damage to India is nothing compared to the decades long consequences for Pakistan. Not to mention the Pak economy would perish and the casualties for Pak would be 20 times India (cause of huge civilian concentrations on Pak side).

Let's say there is a repeat of 26/11 and IA does enter Pak, I would find it strange if the above happens. And I really mean it. If Pakistani leadership is really ready to accept the above than I don't have anything to say. IA will have no problems in entering Pak. IA is not afraid of TNWs. Except for MAD nothing really makes IA think twice.
 
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