Our Nuclear Nightmare

[SQ8]

It shouldn't be that unexpected a development. After all, Pakistan imposed punitive costs for the "pragmatic and sane" behavior shown by successive governments in India. And as with humans (or animals), behavior with punitive costs are quickly rectified.

Pakistan may choose to deny the Indian version of the narrative, but the fact is that the nation has learnt lessons, or rather learnt of the consequences for appearing weak, meek. And those lessons aren't going away anytime soon.

26/11 was the actual tipping point. Previously, there was actual hope that the entire spectrum of problems may be resolved as there was a lot of backchannel negotiations in progress. But whosoever and for whatsoever reasons perpetrated 26/11.. effectively ended any chance of peace within the two nations

 

[SrNair]

India-Pakistan Nuclear War Would Kill 2 Billion People, End Civilization: Report
read this article and the study behind it carefully


why do you believe that while India works on ABMs etc Pakistan does nothing
you also read this
India-Pakistan Nuclear War Would Kill 2 Billion People, End Civilization: Report

Oh lol
Now 2 billion math.
You are right .But that is not due to direct Pak attack but due to radioactive fallout .And it indeed cause casualities.
Until you have reliable MIRV you cant challenge our ABM.
Then again no one cant predict future scenario and also Indian tech in future.We are in process to develop system that destroy your missile in initial stage.Let see what would be it progress in future.

 

[Gufi]

Let see what would be it progress in future.

for every technological break through there is another solution. Let us leave it at that. Understand that if even half the nuclear weapons Pakistan has are launched then no ABM can take care of the fall out. War will end in MAD and Pakistan will work to keep that a reality.

 

[SledgeHammer]

It shouldn't be that unexpected a development. After all, Pakistan imposed punitive costs for the "pragmatic and sane" behavior shown by successive governments in India. And as with humans (or animals), behavior with punitive costs are quickly rectified.

Pakistan may choose to deny the Indian version of the narrative, but the fact is that the nation has learnt lessons, or rather learnt of the consequences for appearing weak, meek. And those lessons aren't going away anytime soon.

Very true, my response in post number 57 was actually a reflection of this lesson only.

 

[Didact]

26/11 was the actual tipping point. Previously, there was actual hope that the entire spectrum of problems may be resolved as there was a lot of backchannel negotiations in progress. But whosoever and for whatsoever reasons perpetrated 26/11.. effectively ended any chance of peace within the two nations

Tipping point(s), or any synonyms alluding to it are not a regular word used by the diplomatic corps of any nation. It has a certain negative connotation to it, or atleast that was what I was taught by someone.

That being said, if you have to use that word, the attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul(?) in 2008 would be a better candidate. That infuriated the upper echelons unlike any other for a long long time, especially given the brazen nature of the attack. By the time Mumbai occurred, diplomatic relations were already on slippery ground, with considerable effort being maintained by our side to present a facade of normality.

And yes, Track II was already suspended when Mumbai happened, according to some sources.

 

[EL LOBO]

i think i read that war should not be left to army generals...

 

[Agent Smith]

EVERY SINGLE **** IS A ATOM BOMB FOR INDIA REMEMBER THAT

while it is true when it comes to Hina Rabbani Khar but your public.......... man....... our boys in NCC are more than enough to take care of those riff-raffs

Someone please throw light on India's ballistic missile defence technology.
@chankya's Chant, @Hari Prasad

 

[Didact]

Very true, my response in post number 57 was actually a reflection of this lesson only.

I usually try to avoid bringing up historical anecdotes unless absolutely necessary. It tends to rile up emotions and hurt the discourse at hand. Worse, the very point I'm trying to make usually ends up lost in translation.

But yes, I understand and support your point of view though I'm absolutely against any form of nuclear war, even under the worst of positions. The price of miscalculation in a Nuclear war is too horrific to even contemplate.

 

[Selous]

Pak's tactical nukes are a decoy...you invade expecting us to launch our TNWs so that you can retaliate with your nukes...but here is the funny bit: while you are waiting for the TNWs we will just go crazy and use our Barre Nukes.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I would not be that sure either, chances are.. that in case it goes beyond a week with Pakistan losing ground and no international brokered ceasefire.. then either Pakistan will offer concessional stand down conditions(give over "charity" leaders/ Bhai Mian and so on) or perhaps call it a day and settle with India's terms. The problem that has kept India at bay is this.. first.. its equipment and training were not yet up to the mark to execute its plans.. the equipment and plans for the Sunderji doctrine based strategy are now outdated or in need of dire replacement.. and those for the new flexible IBG doctrine have at least five or more years to implement fully from today(7-1-2015)... and second.. and this is more important bit.. is the very high chance that even if 80% of the PA corps commanders and civvy leadership(depending on the state) agree to a surrender.. there is strong(95%) chance that a 20% might force a rapid coup and launch the nukes as the last hoorah.

The less astute idiots from your nation and mine blabbering about aside, the result of what will assuredly be a massive nuclear exchange the losses that India will sustain.. are too much of a gamble for the Indian leadership(at least in its present military preparedness) to take.

I wish I could give you a positive rating for that. Very accurate, actually.

So what if IA enters and PA nukes its own areas. IA does not use strategic nukes (as Pak thinks and as Nukes are not used on India). What if IA really agrees for ceasefile without using strategic nukes and hence avoiding MAD. So what happens to the areas in Pakistan nuked by Pak itself. Acceptable?

Not acceptable to India. The nuclear fallout will rain on India for decades - even if it is a bomb with a low yield.

 

[Basel]

TNWs of Pakistan are not just for use against Cold Start type doctrine, it also allow PAF and PN to have limited secondary strike capability until full fledged secondary strike capability is achieved.

 

[thepakistani]

Pakistan is having 3rd gen war heads and 3rd gen delivery system. As india remained chest thumbing of 5000 km missiles. Pakistan focuses on DF 41 type capability of its missiles like Shaheen 1A. The multiple re entry vehicles with corecting trajectories to avoid all stupid indian ABMs. Like DF41 is a real head ach for american, Pakistani new gen missiles are beautiful gift for india on the de day.
More over 2nd strike capability is on full swing already. So better for hindoo intellegencia to keep on discussing our pretty smart toy for them the TNW which is night horror for indian army mechanized division (the dream of cold start).

 

[SrNair]

for every technological break through there is another solution. Let us leave it at that. Understand that if even half the nuclear weapons Pakistan has are launched then no ABM can take care of the fall out. War will end in MAD and Pakistan will work to keep that a reality.

I dont think so.They are in R&D for completely covering Pak Territory with anti missile techs.It is possible because of the smaller size of your nation.